I Cannot Be Technical
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·April 17, 2025Etheryte
azeirah
That is not what this is about. It's about being treated as non-technical because you happen to be a woman in tech.
The reality of being a woman in tech comes with serious problems, and how we're treated is one of the biggest contributors to those problems.
Edman274
This point is so obvious and self-evident that I'm really amazed that anybody is acting as if that's not the central thesis of the essay. One of the first links is to a PDF with a title by Mar Hicks called "Sexism is a feature, not a bug." Every single time someone argues sincerely or otherwise that sexism is no longer a problem in software development communities, please think back to the time that all these self described hackers couldn't read an essay spelling out in detail that the "technical" designation is socially constructed by everyone else without your permission and often is along gendered lines - they all read that, missing the point, and said "sure you can!" How many of these same commenters have described and will go on to describe a colleague with more mathematical, statistical, and scientific rigor than they and be like "oh, she's not that technical"? Will it be all of them?
Etheryte
Maybe people are acting that way because the article explicitly states that gender is not the main point. But of course that wouldn't make for nearly as good of a reactionary commentary.
satisfice
I just don’t get why it matters. So, redefine and reclaim whatever you want technical to mean! The term is constructed, SO CONSTRUCT IT THEN.
Every single human is excluded from some club they might otherwise want to be a part of. Exclusion and inclusion, in some proportion, is the human condition.
The author is a psychologist. Okay. I am a high school dropout who studies and uses psychology and sociology in my work. I am never going to be called a sociologist or a psychologist. I accept that. But I am those things, in some real and practical sense. I am a scientist and a philosopher and I am not swayed by anyone claiming those identities who tells me I’m not. They don’t have to include me in their reindeer games and I won’t waste an erg of my energy asking them to.
I am technical. I am a man. I judge whether other people are technical, or for that matter whether they are men. My judgements may or may not influence other people. So what?
I read the essay because I was trying to understand what her motivation is. What is her project? I’m still not sure. I don’t buy that exclusion and othering and lacking “full humanity” should or do matter (they are facts of our existence… now what? complaining about them mostly creates hostility because power is real and powerful people will act to defend themselves.)
Still I found it thought provoking and endearing in a weird way. It was a usefully irritating essay by someone very different from myself.
threatofrain
The author wants to move the boundaries of technical to include her skill set. But her skill set could be compared to the business class (who also consume numerical research), and those people are not considered technical either, regardless of gender or race or anything else.
Business class skills are generally considered a tier above... all of society.
alabastervlog
I did not think this was what was going on for most of the piece (which is part of why I spent most of it not following WTF it was about) but by the end I think this is accurate: the author's complaint is that scientific and number-y workers from non-computing disciplines aren't paid like SV programmers. (Which, neither are the vast majority of programmers, so, you know...)
Like, I think (it's still not entirely clear to me) that's the actual point. It's made fairly clear (relatively clear—again, still hard to follow, at least for me) toward the end.
Etheryte
The article isn't about gender specifically, the author explicitly calls that out.
Farpret
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edent
The author isn't asserting that they feel this way. They are saying that the world doesn't see them as technical.
And it is demonstrably true. Go to any (technical) conference and see how even the most technical people are denigrated or dismissed if they don't fit into the preconceived notions of the audience.
Or, to simplify, https://xkcd.com/385/
alganet
One side has an excuse, the other doesn't.
I wish I had an excuse not to be technical. But I will not complain about not having it. Neither I will fake being what I am not so I can get that sweet free out of jail card.
I am a dumb tech boy who is fragile and broken. And I am not upset about it. I will kindly help you without putting you in a pedestal.
Your move to be human.
satisfice
But why does it matter? How is this worth spending life energy on?
It’s reading a long essay by a girl who wasn’t invited to a classmate’s birthday party.
Just make your own community, and call it whatever you want.
artimaeis
She spent a lot of words making really solid arguments about how segregation has taken hold in some of the most influential and profitable sectors of the modern world. Let’s not pretend that casting people from it does not have consequences.
The technocracy does not tolerate other communities - that’s also another of her points. The powers that drive this machine are malignant and constantly striving for monopolization and domination. Competition has become a thing to be avoided, rather than relished.
edent
I don't know how to explain to you that other people have feelings and are worth treating as humans.
pjc50
> This is clearly falsifiable
No it isn't.
(Elaborate? You first.)
Etheryte
As an example that nearly everyone here will now, Evan You, the creator of Vue.js, Vite and etc, has a degree in art and art history. By any metric imaginable, he's also deeply technical with a very strong track record.
pjc50
You missed the most important criterion in that list which Evan You does not match.
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roenxi
There is a lot to like about this article. I would not be at all surprised if the author was really enjoying writing "I am not technical" and embedding the thought in one of the least technical essays I've ever read on HN. She clearly understands dot points well and is determined to stay a safe distance from them.
I don't think there are any actual take-aways beyond an appreciation of rather well done nontechnical perspective take on what the technical world looks like. Although that is rare enough around here to make it quite interesting.
lalaithion
I think I understand what the author is trying to get at, and if I’m right then I agree with them, but this seems purposefully written in a style that inhibits understanding by the exact group it purports to be addressing.
actionfromafar
Or if not purposefully written that way, it's exhibit A in why communication between disciplines can be challenging. :)
krageon
if you write explicitly to not be understood you're not proving anything except that you're not a nice person
bluGill
It is fine if you are writing to a particular audience that will understand you. However even then essays written like this come off as only someone trained like me can figure out what this means and thus I must be great - even though a different writing style would be more accessible to not only the "layperson" but also their peers who are trained in that subject. As such I call this bad writing.
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kylecazar
It's a well written essay at least.
But, I don't know if the core thesis has anything to do with the matter of being technical. Dehumanization has always been a side-effect of corporatism, and the modern corporation just happens to be a tech company.
For what it's worth I'm a liberal arts major that's coded professionally and is considered technical by my peers. The humanity of it all is never too far from my mind, and I've worked with many people like me. I suspect your mileage will vary based on where you work and who's around you.
Is this an attempt to justify being non-technical? Because you don't have to.
creesch
> It's a well written essay at least.
Can I ask you to expand on this? I am curious as I had trouble making my way through it. I am also seeing people stating they gave up trying to understand it.
So, I am genuinely curious to hear what makes it well written according to other people.
Do you mean to say that from a literary perspective, the essay has strengths? Like the use of vivid metaphors, style, clever grammatical sentence structures, distinct voice, etc? Because these I can agree with, but these do not make a well written essay in my opinion.
At least in my mind, well written means that the message comes across. Meaning that clarity and readability are factors that weigh heavily into a well written essay. Here it very much falls short, again in my opinion.
Sentence length is high, the vocabulary swings between conversational and academic and has trouble following through with what is being said. It feels like it meanders, circles ideas without directly stating them. Basically it lacks a clear organizational structure. By which I don't mean the typical bullet point madness that people seem to overly rely on to make clear points these days. What I mean is that simple things like signposting (basically drawing conclusions at appropriate places) are lacking.
Given that multiple people have actually stated they like the writing, I am almost wondering if this is a different form of “technical” where reading long form texts in this same format is a learned skill. Because it reminds me of the sort of writing I see in certain academic circles. Which causes a lot of the same reading "fatigue" I experienced with this specific article.
alabastervlog
The writing per se flows well, where most writing does not. I did find several places farther in where the author's comma-phobia cost me a few milliseconds, and a couple passages that would probably need to be heavily re-arranged for basic clarity to be achieved.
I had to get all the way to the end, though, to figure out that this is about a particular kind of "big tech" culture among a very few people in a very few places, which is why I spent most of the article failing to understand WTF it was about. It does not communicate well at all, and in fact, even knowing that now, it assumes familiarity with that kind of culture to such a degree that I'm still in the dark about most of the piece.
hnthrow90348765
>and the modern corporation just happens to be a tech company.
I'd argue this is more aristocratic (or technocratic) social exclusion, which has gone on for far longer than compilers have existed.
There does seem to be a persistent coalescing of certain personalities to certain industries that loves to exclude people (before, finance; now, tech) using mercurial standards that really just boil down to "do I like you", "do you entertain me or kiss my ass", or even "will you bang me"
lelanthran
> It's a well written essay at least.
This is objectively wrong, going from the comments from the intended audience in this thread.
If half your intended audience had trouble understanding the author's goal or message, then it's a very poor essay. Barely a passing grade, if one were to grade it.
The whole point of an essay is to get your message across. If it can't do that, it's a failure.
Izkata
This particular passage sticks out at me as the author not being able to examine their own bias:
> Walking across the street during a conference, a car pulled up intentionally fast and close to me and I hopped out of the way, scared. The men with me who did not jump roared with laughter, and this sparked a conversation (monologue) about innate personality differences (rather than, say, height differences). In that moment it was impossible for me to be a PhD who studies how we maintain beliefs about innate characteristics and generates empirical evidence around them and their impacts, even though I am. We are always constructing. In that street, my identity could not be made real against the identity that was offered out of the situation that aligned with a world they preferred, one in which some men could laugh at scared women.
Obviously I don't know these particular men, but from my experience "laugh at scared women" isn't what was happening in their minds. I think they would have laughed no matter the sex of the person who jumped, and if it was a man, he probably would have laughed at himself too - it was more like "laugh at reacting to a situation that didn't need that reaction". When stuff like this happens, men tend to use laughter as a bonding and tension-relief valve, not as ridicule.
loks0n
The essay is beautifully written, but its argument doesn't land for me.
The understands "being Technical" as something to be granted for its own sake. But wanting to be Technical without any real problem to solve is hollow. Technical isn’t an identity you earn through argument, it’s something you become in the process of doing the work.
qsort
It's funny, I have almost exactly the opposite take. I find what she's saying is important, or at least a valuable personal story, but the faux-academic style makes the essay hard to follow. Some paragraphs are barely intelligible.
alabastervlog
The various personal anecdotes are so lacking in detail that I read some of them three times and still wasn't sure exactly what had happened. They accomplish the opposite of grounding and illustrating the more abstract points: they make it more confusing.
whatevertrevor
I wouldn't really call this academic style, at least none of the research I read uses this sort of tone, let alone personal language (completely fine in an essay of course).
My main issue is how circuitous and rant-y it comes off as. Honestly the rhetoric style of argumentation and no qualifiers or even attempts to define terms makes it a really hard read.
pjc50
> it’s something you become in the process of doing the work.
Her argument is that she's done quite a lot of such work and is still not guaranteed to be afforded the rank of Technical.
bluGill
Maybe in her own mind she doesn't want to take it even though it is earned. That is a common problem, and as a psychologist she should well be aware of that. (I believe that the problem is more common amount women - but I'm not the psychologist she is, and so it would be wrong for me to tell her truths in her field)
Kye
Even if she claims it, there's no end of people who will reject it, argue it, make her prove it, etc. I think that's one of the points: nothing she can do can truly make her seen as being worthy of it broadly enough to matter.
loks0n
I don't recognise her requirements for "being Technical". I think she feels like an outsider because she doesn’t meet her own arbitrary standard for what "being Technical" means.
btbuildem
> jungle of rituals and group identities and normative behaviors and seemingly abundant but actually restrictive sociotechnological covenants
As my tenure in the industry extends into a third decade, I find most real problems we face (in organizations) are not technical, but people-based. 99.99% of technical problems are solvable, especially for people whom OP labels as "Technical". You may think they are not, but they are -- because they can be reduced to time and resources, reliably. The 0.01% where you're inventing something new, blazing a path, that's different. But most of us are not doing that.
The real challenges arise from the tribalism of groups, from emotional immaturity of individuals, lack of self-knowledge, and from the dictatorship-like power structure of most organizations. The inefficiencies and roadblocks posed by these aspects dwarf by orders of magnitude any and all technical challenges we ever come across.
acureau
This essay is dripping with self pity. I do not care that you're a woman, I do not care that you have a PhD, I do not care that you used to be a barista. You can be technical if you apply that label to yourself. You cannot force others to apply that label to you, so why define yourself by their perception?
For what it's worth (very little), there are many of us for which the technical label means strictly "expertise in X domain".
patcon
Ooooooo I love the way this person uses language
EDIT: made my comment more specifically about writing style
blenderob
I couldn't make it. I gave up after 2 paragraphs. The random meandering from one thought to another without saying what the point of all this is got to me. I'm sure it's not a problem in the post. It's definitely a "me problem". Would someone be kind enough to post TL;DR of some sorts?
creesch
I had the same issue. I think that their point boils down to what we consider "technical" as a label on people. Basically that "technical" is more of an identity rather than someone having a specific skillset. Something the author feels excluded from, even though they do work that's relevant and impactful.
I think so anyway. As I said, I had the same issue as you having difficulty getting through it. The article takes a long time to actually get to a point, circling around things rather than concretely building towards something.
If I had to guess it is more of a flow of thoughts and not really a classical argument.
It also makes it hard to draw any conclusions about it. Because I think I sort of get where they are coming from, but at the same time I am not sure if I entirely agree. In my line of work technical just means "being skilled with IT related technical skills" without a judgement about other skill sets. It is just there to distinguish between people who can dive into systems hands-on and those who have other skills and bring value in other ways.
Kye
It seems to be about the way "technical" and "non-technical" are thrown around with implicit assumptions in conversations in places like this as hard categories. You're either technical, or what are you doing here? Are you lost? The door is over there.
A key paragraph:
>> "This is because Technical is a structural designation that operates outside of any actual problem-solving you and I are doing together. Being Technical is about being legitimate. Or to put it more simply: it’s because you are Technical that I can’t be. We have created the identities this way. A person with a PhD in human things and who deals in human problems and human solutions cannot ever be Technical no matter how dense her statistics are, how many conferences she speaks at, and how comprehensively she has given examples of generating outcomes that are often beyond engineering to generate (change over time; impacts on humans; making legible even an imperfect approximation of just one single emotion). These things can be useful, interesting, valuable, heartrending, inspiring and memorable to tech, but they cannot be legitimate."
I'm still reading but it does seem to be about gatekeeping while avoiding any language that would set off a Technical person.
arkh
The author just want a medal saying they're Technical. Whatever this means, it is important to them. Like a child and a sheriff medal. "Technical" is the current cool club to be in and they want in. I guess technical is "techbros and their salary", not your average electrician and even less a Toyota Hilux with a 50 cal. in the back.
ignoramous
> Would someone be kind enough to post TL;DR of some sorts
I found o3 to have done a decent job of it:
- Technical as structural identity: Being "Technical" is a power‑laden designation that shapes reality and enforces belonging, not a neutral skill measure.
- Dehumanization paradox: The system prizes flat emotions yet sustains itself by choosing emotions over efficacy, repeatedly devaluing human needs.
- Excluded expertise: Human‑centered work — psychology, caregiving, storytelling — is repeatedly labeled illegitimate despite its practical and moral value.
- Boundary policing: The "Technical" boundary is preserved by rejecting both outsiders and insiders who push its limits.
- Caring as resistance: Genuine care, narrative, and solidarity with those left outside offer a path to rehumanize tech beyond mere "Technicality."
- Collective rebuild: A hopeful call to action—tech builders possess the capacity to dismantle and reassemble systems to include humanity at their core.
Complete summary: https://chatgpt.com/share/6800ff57-3ff8-800e-b756-4ed88b6860...bananabiscuit
Really? I’m a decent way through the piece and I still don’t understand what she is rambling about.
croola
summarized via LLM
In her essay "Why I Cannot Be Technical," Cat Hicks, a psychologist specializing in software environments, explores the structural and social dynamics that define the label "Technical" in the tech industry. She argues that despite her expertise in human-centered aspects of software development—such as behavior, culture, and organizational change—she is often excluded from being considered "Technical" because the term is narrowly defined to prioritize engineering and coding skills.
Hicks emphasizes that this exclusion is not due to a lack of capability but stems from systemic biases related to gender, class, race, and professional roles. She notes that the designation of "Technical" often serves as a gatekeeping mechanism, determining who is deemed legitimate within tech spaces. This legitimacy is frequently withheld from those whose work focuses on human factors, regardless of its complexity or impact.
antisthenes
Maybe the author should just write that?
There's a reason there's a saying "brevity is a sister of talent".
Whatever point you are trying to make surely could benefit if it actually reaches more than a few % of people who don't give up reading 10 pages of rambling when it should have been a paragraph in reality.
alabastervlog
It’s mostly a pleasant read, but even as someone who prefers the humanities and studied a lot more of that than most folks in computer jobs, I’ve made it about 40% in and couldn’t tell you what the author means by capital-T “Technical”.
Is this something that would be clear to me if I’d worked in FAANG or similar? Is it a cultural thing there? Something to do with a corner of social media I don’t engage with?
The closest I can come up with connected to my experience is the opposite: “tech” related labels used to exclude people and dismiss their ideas, in decision-making or business-social contexts, and design processes. I’ve not seen it used in this power(? I think? I really can’t figure this out)-conferring way.
[EDIT] The anecdotes are so confusing.
> An example of this is every time evidence of efficacy is not able to exert any power versus the votes of engineering disengagement. You could put your diligent little psychologist heart into it and make a good program or policy change and muster up extremely critical evidence for something no one else bothered to measure but you could not demand that all of the engineering managers do it, for instance. The engineering managers always had the power and always would.
This is a manager thing. Specifically, modern management culture. Management wants to appear "evidence based" and "scientific" but the appearing is the only part they consistently care about. The "technical" run into this same wall, when they mistakenly believe surface claims that management's serious about working with evidence and "metrics" and such, and try to sincerely help as if that's the actual goal—it isn't.
[EDIT 2]
> This is one of the paradoxes of software teams: rich people, rich teams, rich environments, described and experienced as utter wastelands by (statistically speaking) men who have (statistically speaking) socked away more than I’ve ever touched and more than generations of my family ever touched, and their entire ownership of not having enough.
OK, I think this is confirmation that the piece is about a slice of the tech industry I've not really engaged with, which may explain why I am nearly at the end of the piece and am still not sure what it's about.
[EDIT 3]
> Tech is immensely global in its activity and so fanatically geo-located in its employment that even the most senior and most unquestionably Technical people worry about moving away from 2-3 certain US cities.
OK, yes, this is about a tiny percentage of "tech". Under this article's usage, I'm not "Technical", and few or none of the programmers I personally know are. That helps, wish that'd been stated up front.
Izkata
> Is this something that would be clear to me if I’d worked in FAANG or similar? Is it a cultural thing there? Something to do with a corner of social media I don’t engage with?
> The closest I can come up with connected to my experience is the opposite: “tech” related labels used to exclude people and dismiss their ideas, in decision-making or business-social contexts, and design processes. I’ve not seen it used in this power(? I think? I really can’t figure this out)-conferring way.
There's a recent-ish (5 or so years?) style change people have pushed to capitalize "Black" in news and articles [0], and I think this author is trying to do the same here. Whatever this distinction is, it's entirely possible it's in their own mind and nowhere else.
[0] https://apnews.com/article/archive-race-and-ethnicity-910566...
wetpaws
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evanjrowley
I suggest reading the author's About page for some additional context: https://www.fightforthehuman.com/about/
lukeasrodgers
This reminds me of an interview with Luce Irigaray in which, IIRC, the interviewer asks her if she is (or considers herself to be) a "writer", using the French word écrivain, a masculine noun, and she responds something to the effect of "it is not me who decides that question."
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> A person with a PhD in human things and who deals in human problems and human solutions cannot ever be Technical no matter how dense her statistics are, how many conferences she speaks at, and how comprehensively she has given examples of generating outcomes that are often beyond engineering to generate (change over time; impacts on humans; making legible even an imperfect approximation of just one single emotion). These things can be useful, interesting, valuable, heartrending, inspiring and memorable to tech, but they cannot be legitimate.
This is clearly falsifiable, so I'm not sure what the idea is behind dragging this essay out for miles. The author doesn't feel like they're a technical person, fair enough, you do you and your labels. However there are plenty of people out there who tick all of those boxes despite you saying it can't be done. I know many people like this and they're often the best of both worlds, they bring a balanced and well rounded world view to bat.