Social Security Administration Moving Public Communications to X
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·April 11, 20250xCE0
sailfast
It's also contrary to a number of federal records act laws, conflict of interest and ethics laws, etc. Folks don't seem to care about that though...
Also good thing the primary audience for Social Security recipients is in the X user demographic? I gotta say this could have been an incredible opportunity to revolutionize technology for the people but it was squandered by self-dealing morons.
exe34
those laws only apply to competitors to Twitter.
adfm
The people that assume the roles within government should speak directly through government-controlled domains exclusively. You’ve got those TLDs for a reason, folks. Nobody else has this right. It is the canonical source of truth because it is fully controlled by the government itself. The public are welcome to comment outside the domain and point to it like any other source, but unless you’re an official (holding office), what you say is your own opinion and covered by the first amendment. I’m not a lawyer, so this is just my opinion, but what officials say outside of their specifically assigned domains (which supposedly are funded by tax dollars and require oversight) should be considered personal opinion and not carry the weight of the office they hold and should be made to declare as much. Consider the Brown act or the emoluments clause within this context. There are certain things officials are on the hook for that the general public is not. Officials have restricted communications and declarations requirements that the public does not. And anything communicated over commercial channels outside of government oversight should be open to prosecution like anybody else. Blow your hot air where we know it’s within official capacity and on the record or post as a private citizen, like everyone else.
ljm
I think Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman is a solid thesis on the sudden rise of communication and its steady decay.
In less than 100 years we went from sending news via envoys or on horseback to compressing it and sending it over a wire.
The only time you would ever go to the effort to send news, back then, was if it was important or vital, but crucially it was actionable.
The decay comes from using the same channels, or even creating new channels, to disseminate info that is not meant to be actioned but simply consumed.
The regulations around that production were stripped away and so was the trust that the info you now consume is valid.
exe34
Himmelsbriefs started around the 6th century.
theshrike79
This is because the platforms deincentivize posts that link to the original source by pushing them lower in the algorithm.
Because the best way would be to put the content on the official pages and post the link (+ relevant excerpt) to social media.
But that takes engagement away from the sites and they hate that.
anon7000
Government bureaucrat (Elon) owns a massive, private Social Media company. He has power to fire basically anyone, seemingly. Exclusivity agreements with private companies have NO FUCKING PLACE in public governments. If the owner of said platform is actually part of the government, it's pure corruption.
Elon: divest from your private assets or get the fuck out of the government. Otherwise you're a corrupt official.
JeremyNT
Absolutely insane.
The world's richest man is also the most powerful bureaucrat in the world, and he's self dealing to his own company which is arguably the most powerful propaganda machine ever invented.
It's difficult to not despair in such a time.
watwut
He is a corrupt official. He is awarding contracts to SpaceX as he is disassembling all agencies meant to combat fraud and corruption.
Alupis
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vuln
> Otherwise you're a corrupt official.
Seems like he fits in real well where he’s at.
thih9
Between nazi salutes and buying votes, being a corrupt official seems in character, if not expected.
I wonder if that’s the point of having a borderline villainous public image - people are used to your antics and more likely to ignore an extra crime.
pengaru
"don't hate the player, hate the game" I feel likely sums up what would be his position on your comment
sorcerer-mar
It’s funny how I’ve literally not once heard someone who wasn’t an across-the-board asshole say this phrase
__s
It applies when it can be said literally: gaming communities. There people will complain about athletes pushing their edge
For example, the 2019 blizzcon SC2 finals where Zerg overran with a busted Nydus meta. You can't blame Reynor & Dark pushing their advantage to reach each other in finals. The game went on to be patched
Same goes with hating draws in chess. Players are trying to win a tournament, they'll make the moves they feel will make that happen
Another example: hating on Protoss in TvP in broodwar. The game won't be patched. If you can't deal with it then hate the game, not the Protoss
sjsdaiuasgdia
And that kind of half-assed flippancy is exactly why he needs to be removed from any government authority immediately.
janice1999
It's not a game when that someone can simply ignore or rewrite the rules at will.
mcculley
He is not stuck in the game. He has agency, more than most.
conception
“Richest man on planet must… (checks) succumb to corruption to survive! No ethical way forward!”
GuinansEyebrows
A strange game; the only winning move is not to play
Alupis
> Elon: divest from your private assets or get the fuck out of the government. Otherwise you're a corrupt official.
You're directing this at Elon - but you are aware just about every single congress critter, and every other high-level government official holds private assets and profits off of them during their tenure in the government... right?
> Exclusivity agreements with private companies have NO FUCKING PLACE in public governments.
I hope you were this upset about Cheney as well. What about Palantir and their army of lobbyists? Oracle and theirs? Sig Sauer and theirs? Lockheed Martin and theirs? AWS and theirs? I can go on forever... This is super common in government, and no it's not limited to one party or another. It's everywhere.
It is wrong every time. But only now we get the all-caps writing and chest thumping only the likes of reddit can be proud of.
voxl
There are so many things wrong with your comment, lets list a few:
1. False equivalence: Elon Musk's interaction with the federal government is unprecedented and comparing it to lobbying of companies is hysterically bad faith.
2. Appeal to hypocrisy: whether or not someone cares about Cheney or others profiting or doing bad things in government, that has no impact on the argument against Musk.
3. Ad hominem: yes, yes, only the likes of reddit, except here we are, not on reddit.
4. Tone policing: the content of ones argument is completely irrelevant to how emotional the present it or how emotionally they feel about it. They may thump their chests as much as they like.
theyinwhy
your post reeks of fascist populism: - de-humanizing language - we are not that bad, others are/were doing it too (this is mostly flawed, as is your comparison)
Alupis
Not everything you disagree with is "fascism". We expect maturity around here.
watwut
To be fair, the level of open corruption in this particular government is pretty unprecedented.
Alupis
If you've been around for a while, and are willing to take off the rose-colored-glasses momentarily, you will realize it is not unprecedented.
Some of us have been howling about these issues for decades.
Who were the primary benefactors of the so-called Inflation Reduction Act? What about the CHIPS Act? Follow the money and you will be completely god smacked at the insanity that's being going on right under people's noses.
The riot is quelled by drawling people into their camps... left or right, red or blue, us vs. them.
bobthepanda
What's notable is that the current crop of people who were just elected includes people who said they were going to introduce an insider-trading bill and then became some of the most prolific ones once in office. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/05/us/politics/congress-stoc...
Alupis
Well, AOC has been threatening for several years to introduce a bill to curb this. But... hasn't, and I'd be willing to bet we already know why. Many others have promised the same and done the same as well...
Nancy Pelosi is perhaps the most prolific insider trader of our lifetime. None of this is new... it's been going on since before any of us were born.
It should be put to an end - but we can't pretend the current administration is doing something so abhorrent and clutch our collective pearls in shock. We can't hold one party (that we disagree with) to a higher standard than our "own" people. That's hypocritical and not a foundation upon-which agreement and consensus can be formed.
jahsome
I'm interpreting your statement about "only now" as an implication that there was no dissent about corrupt government officials prior to Musk purchasing the country. Is that actually what you intended to say?
CoastalCoder
Is this the first time a citizen has been required to accept an EULA to receive official government communications?
I have the feeling that the legality of this involves a bunch of concepts I don't know about.
E.g., what constitutes an official communication, and how accessible they're legally required to be.
EasyMark
I have no idea but I find it hard to believe that announcing government policy on a billionaire's platform is a really bad idea when a basic web page could do the same thing. How hard could it be to emulate a message stream on a .gov site that has the features of X? There have to be dozens of open source packages out there that could do it, and then they control it. At any point, twitter could shut down the stream and it would take weeks to months to set up a site to replace it.
dheera
I don't think it's the first time. Ever since all these stupid idiotic SMS confirmations became a trend they've all effectively required you to accept a {Verizon, AT&T, T-mobile} EULA.
That said though EULAs aren't law. If it's just a contract between two parties, you are free to violate it and they are free to violate it as well.
treetalker
Contracts (government-enforceable agreements) are private law.
Spooky23
If an attorney sues the king, they get banished from courts. There is no law.
sailfast
Twitter has a Government EULA so agencies do have official accounts in line with regulation. That said, the agency itself is responsible for preserving its records in a way required by law, and is also typically required to post official requests and changes to the Federal Record.
sterlind
the question wasn't about the (government) account holder's EULA, the question was whether citizens have to accept Twitter's regular EULA in order to view the posts.
can I scrape government Twitter accounts and mirror them without paying Elon for API access? because I can scrape ssa.gov just fine.
Volundr
Forget scraping. I can't read Twitter, as I don't have an account. A normal person is now locked out of SSA communications unless they sign up for Twitter.
sailfast
Good point. Unsure. I guess it depends on whether embedded content implies users have accepted a EULA? I'd imagine they will cross-post to their web page as well, but who knows.
queuebert
My private employer requires us to login with our credentials to view communications from our CEO. Seems shady to me.
pseudalopex
> My private employer requires us to login with our credentials to view communications from our CEO. Seems shady to me.
I assume the last sentence was insincere.
Your employer requires you to log in to view internal communications. Not public. And citizens employ the government. Not vice versa.
m463
Worse is having to personally agree to third-party privacy policies to use tools at work. For example, if you use google docs, you have to agree to google's privacy policy, which can match at work and outside work behavior.
schools do the same thing, but 1000% worse.
Oh, and online tax stuff or dmv? all logs into google.
csb6
Seems like pointless friction to have to register and log into an online account just to view press releases by a government agency. Maybe there would be an exception for government agencies’ posts, but it doesn’t look like it.
Surely it is a coincidence that this would also likely boost account registration numbers and ad impressions for Musk’s company.
Loughla
When will the first lawsuit happen? Will it be conflict of interest or about a barrier to communication?
exe34
who will judge? who will enforce the judgement?
sorcerer-mar
Elon is just stacking reasons for nationalization of X on top of his growing list of reasons to nationalize SpaceX.
(Nothing to do with his political views, but moves like this or meddling in foreign affairs with Starlink after customers had purchased the devices free and clear)
epsilonaurigae
someone who is permanently banned from Twitter and not happy about official public communications being behind a paywall/registration required situation on X might have standing if they’re literally not allowed to make an account to view them.
nullkraft
That's me. I'm one of those people who signed up, never posted a single comment, but somehow got banned for life. What am I supposed to do now? Edit: I should note that I am not allowed to follow anyone because of the ban.
FredPret
X.com was probably never the exclusive domain of thoughtful, well-intentioned posters.
But lately has turned into a cesspool. Everytime I go on, I’m assaulted by fight videos, gambling ads, porn bots, ragebait, and the worst extreme takes from the left and the right.
danso
Its very design — optimized for brief casual messaging — makes it difficult to do thoughtful discourse. And it became significantly worse when it monetized engagement; my “For You” page is flooded with rando bluecheck accounts who went viral for posting screenshots of other viral tweets
FredPret
That's the worst part - it's not even original slop. There's so much more of it than one can ever block.
It got so bad I started reading paper books in my off time again.
swat535
The algorithm feeds you whatever you like, follow different people and engage with the content you find interesting, it will adapt.
null
joshbaptiste
I login daily and see none of that.. I follow tech nerds and only see that type of content
queuebert
Same here. When I hear people talk about how awful some platform is, knowing that it optimizes for their engagement, it feels like an accidental admission of their secret desires.
aegypti
The secret desires of the default, untuned FYP? Those categories are known quantities to the social algo curious.
Can simply make a new genpop type Twitter account and immediately see them for yourself, the uncurated experience is heartbreaking.
Alupis
> Everytime I go on, I’m assaulted by fight videos, gambling ads, porn bots, ragebait, and the worst extreme takes from the left and the right.
You seem to be describing my reddit experience to a "T".
I created a brand new account recently to get away from all of the doom-n-gloom politics that polluted my feed to the point of being just downright frustrating to look at. It took all of a week to be right back to where it was, despite my best efforts to join and engage in subs that have literally zero to do with politics. What the hell does bread making have to do with seeing 843 unfavorable pictures of Trump on /r/pics every single day?
slaterdev
I wonder what opportunity this creates for fraud. My grandpa doesn't even know what a tweet is. How hard would it be for a phishing campaign to convince my grandpa to click a fake tweet that says, "In order to continue benefits, please reconfirm your SSN here"?
ModernMech
Of course it creates a massive opportunity for fraud. But no one in this administration cares about fraud and scams, haven't you seen the President's namesake crypto shitcoin? Or his namesake fraudulent university? Or his namesake fraudulent charity?
The way this administration sees it, separating suckers from their money is virtuous -- if you're smart enough to defraud them, you should be rewarded for your efforts. But if you're dumb enough to be conned, you got what was coming to you. Be smarter next time or perish.
This is the new morality.
_DeadFred_
But just think how much more valuable rug-pull coins/advertising became on X. A whole new target market of people being forced to move there and forced to view the algo.
chasd00
read the article, these are press releases for the general public not requests or information for individuals.
bearcobra
I think this still increases the risk of an individual falling for a scam. If the official press releases are happening there, it's not crazy for a senior to think other communication might as well.
sidibe
Good thing that if they sign up Elon has totally cleaned Twitter up from all the bots!
The demographic shift to a bunch of lovely young ladies on X is because of how much the next generation values maximal truth seeking
taco_emoji
This is incredibly stupid. Anyone who voted for this administration ought to be ashamed.
rnd0
no one who voted for this regime is familiar with the idea of shame.
jmclnx
How is this legal ? Can I sue because of this as a non Twitter user ?
EasyMark
Seems like you could sue. You are paying into SS, and that should give anyone "standing" to open up a lawsuit. Seems like a great opportunity for a young law firm to make a name for themselves.
mcintyre1994
You should look up the targeting of law firms by Trump to understand why that’s unlikely. He’s found a method to destroy any law firm that opposes him, it’s obviously corrupt but Republicans don’t care so it works. My understanding is he passes an executive order that bans their staff from federal court buildings.
9283409232
Legality does not matter to this admin. Sooner or later people will realize that.
sharemywin
That's what happens when you elect a convicted criminal.
kind of seems obvious when you think about it.
brendoelfrendo
This is, honestly, an insult to convicted criminals, who can at least reform. Trump is not simply a convicted criminals, he shows no remorse for his actions and eagerly resumes his dubious and potentially illegal behavior at the earliest opportunity.
gryfft
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FireBeyond
Especially given Musk's propensity to ban users from Twitter.
maeil
> How is this legal ?
Why do you keep asking this when these illegal acts have been happening every day for months? Genuinely, did you just awake out of a coma?
> Can I sue because of this as a non Twitter user ?
Good luck finding a lawyer, as they're almost certainly going to lose their job if the suit turns out remotely succesful.
null
1970-01-01
Meta/Facebook will sue them for you. Forcing people to signup for a social media service seems winnable with their breed of lawyers (scum).
rurp
The company run by a guy who has been busy publicly sucking up to trump and bribing him is going to take a stand over this? I doubt it.
dralley
I'm not seeing an awful lot of evidence of powerful tech companies standing up against these guys in court right now.
1970-01-01
The FTC trial for FB is in a few days
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Trade_Commission_v._Me....
jmclnx
FWIW I just contacted my reps, but since they are all chickins**ts these days, I doubt anything will happen.
But with the ones in my State, I have a tiny chance they will try and stop this.
int_19h
Far more likely that Zuck will make some kind of deal to make Facebook another "official platform"
1970-01-01
Too soon for login.facebook.gov I think
chasd00
how is it not legal? If you want to read their PR pieces go to the website and click on News or Press or whatever it is. Nothing is hidden from you because you're not a twitter user and you, as an individual, were never told of a PR anyway. It went to media agencies or via "dear colleague" letters (not exactly sure what that is but I'm 49 and have been paying taxes forever yet have never seen one in my mail ever)
kube-system
Probably under several laws. But I know one: Government officials (of which, Musk is now one) cannot block or limit speech they agree with, particularly when petitioning the government, which is explicitly protected under the 1st amendment.
https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/government-use-of-so...
If Musk wants to run an official government communication channel, he will have to follow the laws that apply to communication with the government, of which there are many.
ndsipa_pomu
> If Musk wants to run an official government communication channel, he will have to follow the laws that apply to communication with the government, of which there are many.
What happens if he doesn't follow those laws? Is there any way that he would face justice considering the current situation?
wasabi991011
> If you want to read their PR pieces go to the website
They will not exist anymore. Literally the first words of TFA:
> The Social Security Administration will no longer be communicating with the media and the public through press releases [...]
chasd00
“Communicating with the media”! This is ridiculous
/enough inet today
SkipperCat
The only good thing about this is that it will be reversed by the next administration. Of course, that's only if we have another election...
rurp
I fully expect to be disappointed but what should happen if Dems ever get back into power (and that's a definite `if`) is to immediately cut off all dealings this corrupt guy's companies. No more government agencies on twitter, no more massive government subsidies for his companies, no more special regulatory treatment, and so on. Dems being Dems, they will probably just muddle around and do absolutely nothing to address all of this insane corruption, if they even get a chance to.
maeil
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seanmcdirmid
> Do people not realize it's the Dems that got the US Trump?
You mean?
- Everything the Democrats screw up on is the Democrats fault.
- Everything the Republicans screw up on is the Democrats fault.
So the only correct thing to do is vote for Republicans? This is why America can't have nice things.
SkipperCat
The Republican Party changed dramatically in 2016. They became something they never were before and due to the populist trends in the county, they won the election. There is a very high chance that the next democrat contenders will be very different from what we saw in 2016 and 2024.
We can’t judge how same or different the DNC will be in 2028 much like you could not see Trump as a contender when Romney faced off Obama in 2012.
So, I’d say your estimate of “zero chance” is too early. Let’s see who the dems field in the midterms first.
yibg
Don't vote for dems because they caused Trump to happen, so instead vote for... Trump directly?
wilg
it is in fact the Republican party and its voters that got the US Trump
flir
Yes, voting Republican to avoid Trump is a much better plan.
_DeadFred_
Republicans wouldn't push so hard to disenfranchise people from voting if what you are pushing was true.
bsder
> Do people not realize it's the Dems that got the US Trump?
The GOP has the power to stand up to Trump immediately with legislation or with impeachment. The Democrats are already on record as voting for impeachment. Trump has continued to do lots of stuff that is impeachable with lots of evidence. Had the GOP impeached Trump when they had the chance, they would have been rid of him by now.
In addition, with this last election, a bunch of idiotic people sat on their ass going "But they're both the same." or "I don't get into politics." As if their "status quo" status was somehow a virtuous deed instead of a disgusting malfeasance cloaked in laziness.
"It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt." -- John Philpot Curran, 1790
boudin
I guess it says a lot about how desperate musk is to find users for his propaganda toy.
nxobject
Transitioning from detailed "Dear Colleague" circular letters to tweets seems like a great loss in transparency, but what do I know about government efficiency, anyway?
matwood
> but what do I know about government efficiency, anyway?
Absolutely more than anyone at DOGE...
apical_dendrite
The Trump administration put a mid-level bureaucrat in charge of SSA after he violated a bunch of policies to try to give DOGE access to sensitive data and then publicly complained about being investigated for it. This guy has proven himself to be thoroughly incapable of doing such an important job in a disciplined, non-partisan manner. He admitted to cutting off the contract that allows births an deaths to be automatically registered in Maine (which caused parents of newborns to go in person to social security offices) because he didn't like how the governor of Maine spoke to Trump. He's pulled a bunch of other stunts, like threatening to shut down social security payments because a judge issued an order he didn't like.
It's emblematic of what's happening across the government. Serious people are being replaced by incompetents who are there purely for their loyalty to the President and have no scruples or sense of public service.
Not taking account this specific case, but the general habit that news, be it small or big, are published first/only on Twitter/Facebook/IG/Tiktok etc. is bad and sad. It is bad both for readers and organizations themselves.
For readers, it is confusing and messy to know which platforms acts as a medium for communications. And usually these platforms require login, or nags for it, and doesn't show posts on chronologically to get clear understanding of the news events.
For organizations, there is a risk of shadow banning/closure of account, therefore not having any control of archivability and visibility of communications.
The best and clearest approach for communications probably is your own website with comms section, and post one-sentence summary + link to your website for a variety of social medias for greater visibility. There should be only one long-standing statement/source of truth for each newsworth event. Except of course if your strategy is to manipulate audience with confusion.