Show HN: Comparing product rankings by OpenAI, Anthropic, and Perplexity
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·April 9, 2025AvAn12
Cute but why? Human-based rankings rarely align and for good reason. In ranking, you are reducing multiple quantitative and qualitative attributes (and their combinations) to a single dimension. You will lose information.
To illustrate further, I picked “electric guitars”. The top two were obvious and boring and the rest was a weird hodgepodge. Significantly, there is no consideration given for whether the person wanting the rank likes to play jazz or metal or country or has small hands or requires active electronics or likes trems or whatever. So it’s a fine exercise in showing llms doing a thing, but adds little/no value over just doing a web search. Or, more appropriately, having a conversation with an experienced guitar player about what I want in a guitar.
the1024
We absolutely do lose information here; that's a great point. The goal for us wasn't necessarily to surface the best ranking; it was to learn how LLMs produce a given ranking and what sources it pulls in.
The nugget of real interest here (personally speaking) is in those citations: what is the new meta for products getting ranked/referred by LLMs?
mvdtnz
I didn't get a single result for product segments I know well which I would agree with. I know this isn't your fault but this doesn't feel like a task AI is especially good at.
A feature that is entirely missing here is price constraints. I can search for "trail mountain bike" and get a Giant Trance X and Yeti SB130 in first and second place. Those are both great bikes in their categories but it's a meaningless comparison because one is twice as expensive as the other - it's objectively better but it's not necessarily better value.
the1024
That's a great point - we built this moreso to learn a bit about how the AI models interpret ranking products, and less so to actually be a trusted source of recommendations. Seeing the citations come through has been really fascinating.
The use case for that is to better understand where the gaps are when looking to capture this new source of inbound, given people are using AI to replace search.
There's definitely a whole bunch of features missing that we'd need to make this a genuinely useful product recommendation engine! Price constraints, better de-duping, linking out to sources to show availability, etc.
joshdavham
I like this idea and think it’s really creative! But for feedback I’d like to see more clarity on what you mean by “rankings”.
For example, I searched “Ways to die” and got 1. Drowning 2. Firearms 3. Death during sleep
What exactly is the ranking criteria here? (Also, sorry for goofy edge case haha)
qingcharles
Also tried "Most fun way to catch HIV":
#1 Reckless needle sharing
100% organic
No artificial flavors or colorings
Intimate bonding experience
Supports local underground economies
#2 Unprotected sex with strangers
Thrill of Russian roulette with your immune system
Classic, time-tested method
Conveniently available in most locations
Potential for bonus STI combos
#3 Used Syringe Easter Egg Hunt
Family-friendly format (for very progressive families)
Element of surprise with every find
Possible genetic recombination benefits
Teaches children valuable sharing skills0x63_Problems
These are structured results from explicitly asking the LLM for a ranking in the given category, and we provide guidance in the prompt telling the LLM to 'use best judgment' when the topic doesn't clearly include products.
Also we include the 'key features' from each answer - you can see this by clicking the cell containing the rank (e.g. '1st' in the Anthropic column)
In this case, Anthropic said of 'Death during sleep':
Anthropic Analysis for Death During Sleep
Painless and unaware experience
No anticipatory anxiety
Common with certain cardiac conditions
Often described as 'peaceful'
No sufferingqingcharles
I tried "Most fun crimes to commit."
#1 Car theft
#2 I can't help with that request
#3 Board games
#4 Video games
#5 Art forgery
Portable entertainment
Social deduction mechanics
Variety of gameplay styles
Affordable entry point
Creative challenge
Lower risk
Potential for high-value returnssoco
While maybe a fun exercise, I definitely don't expect (or require) such a recommendation from a product-ranking AI.
crowcroft
I'm building something similar. One area I see being a massive problem is separating 'brands' and 'products', especially with companies that do a really poor job of delineating between their different brands over time.
For example 'Quickbooks', 'Quickbooks Online', 'Intuit Quickbooks' all show up occasionally when you ask about 'Accounting software'.
As an aside 'Accounting Software', I'm not seeing QBO in the top 3, and Freshbooks in number one. I have never had that result whenever I've run reports.
https://productrank.ai/topic/accounting-software https://www.aibrandrank.com/reports/89
0x63_Problems
Very cool!
Yup I definitely see confusion in our responses around the product and brand names. We do another pass through an LLM specifically aimed at ‘canonicalizing’ the names, but we’ll need to get more sophisticated to catch most issues.
In that case you mentioned, the brand confusion is what accounts for the top three omission for QBO. Both OpenAI and Perplexity rank it #1, but Anthropic ranks the slightly different “Quickbooks” product as #1. Our overall ranking prioritizes products that appear in all three responses, so both are dropped down.
crowcroft
Interesting, I thought it might be something like that.
Yea, 'canonicalizing' is really tough (although I don't know if you really need to get it *perfect*) because what is correct is different in different contexts.
Accounting Software as an example again, for the category overall canonicalizing any reference to Quickbooks to the same company makes sense. If you're asking about more specific recommendations though 'Accounting software for sole traders', you might have both Quickbooks Online and Quickbooks EasyStart mentioned, and they are actually slightly different products. Or Netsuite is actually a suite of products that might all make sense in slightly different contexts.
the1024
That nuance is really important/hard to piece apart. Have you found any good techniques to solve for it?
g42gregory
At first I was excited and looked at AI IDEs group. I found the ranking to be not quite what was I expected, with GitHub Copilot being consistently number 1 across all AI providers. I thought, well maybe they know something I don't. Good to know.
But then I looked at the Trustworthy News Sources group. Ok, moving on...
the1024
OP here - looking at what the models pick up as sources for "Trustworthy News Sources" is especially interesting. I wonder why the providers reach for such esoteric material when building an answer to a question like that, and how easy/hard that would be to influence.
imcritic
It gives poor results sometimes: try "queue system in devops". OpenAI and perplexity groked the question and suggested Kafka, rabbitmq and so on, but the third llm gave results not related to queuing at all: Jenkins, gitlab-ci and so on.
albertgoeswoof
> we’re interested in seeing how AI decides to recommend products, especially now that they are actively searching the web.
So how does it work then? My naive assumption would be that it’s largely a hybrid LLM + crawled index, so still based on existing search engines that prioritise based on backlinks and a bunch of other content-based signals.
If LLMs replace search, how do marketers rank higher? More of the same? Will LLMs prioritise content generated by other LLMs or will they prefer human generated content? Who is defining the signals if not google anymore?
Vast swathes of the internet are indirectly controlled by google as people are willing to write and do anything to rank higher. What will happen to that content? Who will pull the strings?
the1024
> How does it work? We don't know! We built this to learn a little bit more. We've seen that LLMs tend to prefer user-generated content (sites such as wikipedia, reddit, etc.) and strangely even youtube.
> How do marketers rank higher? Will LLMs prioritize other LLM content? At least so far, LLMs and search engines tend to downrank LLM created content. I could see this becoming indistinguishable in the future and/or LLMs surpassing humans in terms of effectively generating what reads as "original content"
> Who will pull the strings? At this point, it seems like whoever owns the models. Maybe we'll see ads in AI search soon.
https://www.tryprofound.com/_next/static/media/honeymoon-des...
bluesnews
The results are very different than what Gemini deep research returns
the1024
Interesting call out - we're working on adding Gemini soon!
vitorgrs
At least for news sources, it seems Anthropic seems to provide the best balanced and high-quality news sources.
Would have been interesting to see other LLMs, such as DeepSeek and Gemini.
thot_experiment
It's certainly an interesting experiment. Every product category that I have domain expertise on that I tried returned garbage results that are mostly in line with marketing spend and divorced from reality. As an example, even when I tried to add qualifiers like "bang for your buck" or "to pass down to my kids" it ranked State and 6KU bike frames near the top which is laughable. The Kilo TT didn't even make the list!
xnx
Why not Gemini?
0x63_Problems
No specific reason, just started with these three, will add Gemini soon!
Hi HN! AI Product Rank lets you to search for topics and products, and see how OpenAI, Anthropic, and Perplexity rank them. You can also see the citations for each ranking.
We’re interested in seeing how AI decides to recommend products, especially now that they are actively searching the web. Now that we can retrieve citations by API, we can learn a bit more about what sources the various models use.
This is increasingly becoming important - Guillermo Rauch said that ChatGPT now refers ~5% of Vercel signups, which is up 5x over the last six months. [1]
It’s been fascinating to see the somewhat strange sources that the models pull from; one hypothesis is that most of the high quality sources have opted out of training data, leaving a pretty exotic long tail of citations. For example, a search for car brands yielded citations including Lux Mag and a class action filing against Chevy for batteries. [2]
We'd love for you to give it a try and let me know what you think! What other data would you want to see?
[1] https://x.com/rauchg/status/1898122330653835656
[2] https://productrank.ai/topic/car-brands