I tried making artificial sunlight at home
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·March 27, 2025jclarkcom
noosphr
Are you guys looking at fabbing your own LED dies?
The actual spectrum of commercial LEDs is all over the place when you start measuring it it with a spectrometer, even when they supposedly have a high CRI. Especially if you want some temperature that isn't 6500K.
It was so bad that when I was building a night light for my eink desktop I ended up using halogen bulbs which I could undervolt. The main issue was that I wanted to be able to shift the spectrum of the lights from natural sunlight at noon, down to candle light at night.
I did have big plans for doing a neural network to control a bunch of LEDs against a reference temperature, but having to build and calibrate a spectrometer and jig as part of a back prop algorithm was a bit beyond my interest, especially since for halogens I just needed a lookup table with temperatures to voltages that worked for all the bulbs from the lot I used.
jclarkcom
there are companies that can do custom phosphor formulations for you to target a specific output. The minimum order quantities don’t make it practical for DIY but not too bad for a small startup. Our approach is to mix a bunch of different LEDs together to get the color and spectrum we want. Check out telelumen.com for an example that uses 16 chips. These are designed for researchers
noosphr
I was doing something very similar to telelumen but given the variation in LED spectrum you could get off aliexpress in 2020 I could never hope to match their quality without tuning each led separately.
Looking at the spectrum graphs for your lights I'm seeing the telltale phosphor coating spike for both warm and cool white leds. An understandable tradeoff, but with the brightness of monochromatic LEDs you can get today one that's not essential any more.
With the drop in costs for both controllers and pcbs since then you should be able to get telelumen quality temperature spectra without the matching price, especially if you can get LEDs that have consistent spectra for their nominal wavelength - you only need to tune the controller once instead of for each light.
deadbabe
Links to your e-ink desktop?
fouronnes3
Are you hiring? I'm looking for a job currently. Contact info is on my website :)
jclarkcom
Let’s chat! Are you the article author?
fouronnes3
Yes that's me! Happy to chat :)
elialbert
i support you hiring this person. seems like a match made in heaven
cannonpr
I adore the lights by your company, though they seem to be incredibly hard to source in general except for high end architectural projects. I wish there was an easier way to order them directly for DYI inclined engineers willing to pay the price.
jclarkcom
Yeah - channels can be a pain, reach out to me directly if you run into issues: Jonathan @ Innerscene
MichaelZuo
Why not sell them directly, or via well known retailers, at the highest price point and with the longest warranty?
e.g. McMaster-Carr with a 10 year in-home repair warranty.
And you can still offer discounts via other lower price channels.
ajolly
Super interesting! Any idea how you guys compare with https://getchroma.co/products/skylight ?
I love the idea of high quality lighting inside especially for my Chicago place.
garfield_light
Nitpick, but the image in "Innerscene Health Impacts" is very obviously AI generated, besides any personal opinions on GenAI it just looks bad. I suspect photographing the intern will yield something better.
dakial1
Well, I think the challenge here is that they need to install the lights in all those settings to take the photo and this would be very expensive. The main purpose is to illustrate uses here, not show the final product. Maybe a disclaimer would help.
jclarkcom
Thanks for the feedback! We’ll see if we can improve that image.
dwighttk
That’s kinda cool… is it possible to match the weather instead of “infinite blue skies” though?
I have real skylights on one side of my house and would love to put these up on the other but it would be weird to have sunny skies mixed with cloudy
jclarkcom
Yes! We just announced and demoed a sensor that does just this at LEDucation last week and will be shipping before the end be of the year. It’s called SkySync
dakial1
I never heard of this concept until this post, maybe because I live in a sunny country (Brazil) but I can totally see the use case for countries in higher latitudes, as the sun setting at 3pm mist be quite depressing for people. I wonder if you guys did any research on the effects of having your product in these countries. How much would the impact on well being be?
jclarkcom
Yes, there is some really interesting research on this topic. It turns out that if blue light centered around 490nm is an order of magnitude more effective at treating SAD.
https://www.innerscene.com/papers/lux-vs-wavelength-in-light...
Because we recreate the blue sky there is a lot of light in this spectrum
cryptonector
I also live in a sunny country (Texas). But still I have "sun tubes"[0] in my house.
123pie123
it is depressing, for issues see the condition Seasonal affective disorder (SAD)
The light here looks really good, but the cheaper (less nicer) alternative is just a powerful (natural) LED light - search for SAD lights
rambambram
> If you search Innerscene patent many of our approaches are spelled out.
Subtle, nice. Maybe you can give the man a job. ;)
crossroadsguy
Not joking. Do these artificial sunlights help with the allergies? If yes and if it's not insanely costly I'd just try to get something like that for my bedroom during allergy seasons which most often coincides with no sun (winter, rain here). Even in those seasons when the sun comes out in its glory, the allergies (which mostly is my nose turning into an infinite source of salt water), which were driving me stark raving mad since days - at times weeks, might just vanish within an hour. Yeah, w/o even stepping into the sun. (And no, I am not D deficient.)
jclarkcom
Hmm, never heard that before, I’ll have to research it more. Maybe the UV from sunlight is killing something you are allergic to. We don’t have UV for safety and energy efficiency reasons but you could try buying some strong UV lamps and see if that helps. Ideally you turn them on when you are out of the room so they don’t damage your eyes or cause cancer.
crossroadsguy
Oh, thanks. I will explore more on this.
MrMcCall
I would suggest you make sure you don't have any indoor mold. Mold in an apartment caused me problems some years ago. My understanding is that outdoor/natural mold is perfectly fine for most people (including me), but molds tend to incorporate whatever they consume into their spores, because molds prey on other molds so they try to arm themselves.
The problem is with manmade stuff like sheetrock, where the mold grows and then incorporates the binder chemicals into their spores, which are too small to see and yet get inhaled and then leech into our sinuses or whereever.
I've had problems in both work and home situations. I was tested and confirmed allergic; I don't think most people are, but it was rough for me. I'm always on the lookout for those water circles in drop ceilings; they're notorious mold colonies. Once a natural material stays wet for 12 hours, molds will begin to grow.
Just something you might be able to check off your list. Good luck.
squillion
Have you tried an air filter? A friend of mine has a bad hay fever but since he's put an air filter in his bedroom he can sleep soundly again.
alejohausner
For me, the problem with this setup (and with most high efficiency LED lights) is the lack of red wavelenghts. Real sunlight has a substantial amount of energy in the very red end of the visible spectrum (700 nm) and also of course quite a bit in the infrared. These lamps have two spectral peaks: a narrow peak in the blue range, around 450 nm, a broader peak in the green, centered around 580 nm. That greenish peak falls off sharply, and has almost no energy in the red end.
The color sensitive cones in our eye have three peaks of sensitivity, the S cones in the blue range, the M cones in the green, and the L cones in yellow. The L cones are what your brain uses to see red colors, but they are actually pretty insensitive to deep reds like 700 nm. That’s why you THINK that LED lamps produce red, because they stimulate your L cones, but they do so without actually emitting much red energy at all!
Our bodies are sensitive to deep red light. The cytochrome in our mitochondria respond to it. There’s an experiment where shining red lights on the skin improved sugar metabolism. That makes sense, because we naked apes evolved under red-rich sunlight.
So these lamps may look like sunlight, but they’re missing some crucial wavelengths.
fouronnes3
That's a good point, but not much I can do about that. Such a DIY project is limited to off the shelf LED suppliers. It would be cool to do such a lamp with both the high CRI and some infrared, also for heating (infrared lamps are a thing after all).
alejohausner
I don’t think manufacturers will make LEDs with strong deep-red emission. If they made LEDs that emitted lots of red light, they probably would have a peak in the red end of the spectrum. But since they’re not monochromatic single-wavelength sources like lasers, there would be a spread of wavelengths around that red peak, including substantial infrared emission. And that IR emission makes heat, and now you’ve created an inefficient lamp, similar to the old incandescent filament lamps.
ajolly
I'm just a customer of some their other products but... https://getchroma.co/products/skylight. (Of course as you know you're now drawing a ton of power for things other than lumens)
gregwebs
What you want is at odds with energy efficiency and is therefore being made illegal https://blog.medcram.com/uncategorized/new-department-of-ene...
x-complexity
Again, another regulatory decision that makes a niche worse off overall....
Abuses of a carve-out aside, having a "Sunlight mimicking" exemption would solve this, with the added conditions that they have to actually stick to the EMF outputs of the sun to get this approval. The article itself does this with “General Wellness Lamps”.
Otherwise, the only non-reg way to solve this would be to find infrared & red LEDs and make the supplementary light sources yourself.
cenamus
I mean, wouldn't an IR carbon filament heater suffice? Probably a bit longer wavelengths, but you can still see it glow, so you're getting at least a bit close to the visible spectrum
zokier
> These lamps have two spectral peaks: a narrow peak in the blue range, around 450 nm, a broader peak in the green, centered around 580 nm. That greenish peak falls off sharply, and has almost no energy in the red end
Check figure 1h in the datasheet of the LEDs author used https://otmm.lumileds.com/adaptivemedia/832eef99dd3139f98fa9...
The second peak is near 650nm and while it drops fairly quickly there is still decent amount of power at even 700nm. In short, they perform far better than your stereotypical crappy white LEDs.
alejohausner
Yes, I saw those spectra. No, I don’t see very much energy emitted for wavelengths >700 nm.
If you look at spectra for stereotypical crappy white LEDs, they’re really no different. Everyone uses the same light emitting compounds, it seems to me.
ankitml
Yep, that was my first assessment. Cant call it sun without NIR.
fouronnes3
Can't call it sun without gravitational confinement nuclear fusion either.
ankitml
you do you. NIR is the part of sunlight that makes you "feel" good or alive or whatever nice thing you are looking from being outside.. Ill stick with NIR is essential component for calling stream of photons as sun-like.. or not sun-like.
agensaequivocum
Or lack of flicker.
puzzlingcaptcha
You can get LEDs which mimic the spectrum of natural light more closely, but these are usually specialty products (often specifically branded as sun-like). Here's one example https://www.greesled.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/ab24a411...
In comparison, the LEDs chosen by the OP have a fairly poor power distribution spectrum. At 4000K the color temperature is also too low to mimic daylight, which is at around 5500K. This is all well as an artistic choice but probably doesn't get you any benefits for seasonal affective disorder.
firju55
If the metric you're looking for is most accurate spectrum including deep red, near and far infrared (heat), then a good old incandescent filament light is the most efficient device. Not LEDs.
genewitch
In the winter a couple incandescent lights per room is often enough to warm it up. I went out of my way this winter to "seal up" my house, and the equivalent of 2-3 bulbs per room is enough to keep them livable - with a sweater and a cap, and maybe socks. I cannot stand artificial heat, something about kt makes me physically uncomfortable, and i just want to leave an area with artificial heat. I'm fine with fires and incadescent bulbs, though.
crazygringo
> So these lamps may look like sunlight, but they’re missing some crucial wavelengths.
Which means they're also not going to give me a tan... bug, or feature?
lll-o-lll
Tan is the other end of the spectrum (UV)
crazygringo
They said crucial wavelengths, plural. I took that to its natural conclusion. ;)
TeMPOraL
It also won't be a great disinfectant, both in literal and figurative senses of the phrase.
drewolbrich
My issue with this setup is that it doesn't emit as many neutrinos as the Sun.
ketralnis
Have you considered taking neutrino supplements?
The nice thing about them is that they're flavour changing
gblargg
My neighbor takes them so I get the benefits too.
aljgz
Good that you get your sunborn nutrino fix even in cloudy days (and much of it even at night)
baueric
I have noticed after a distant super nova I always feel better
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reaperman
I saw "artificial sunlight" and thought "oh wow I'd love to see the spectrogram of the lighting solution this person came up with". I was disappointed to merely see "CRI 95+".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH_owRxupC0
This is great video on the shortcomings of "CRI" - it explains in detail CRI, CRI extended, TLCI, TM-30, and SSI.
Brightness and color temperature are only two small parts of lighting - more people should start investigating the utility of taking their own spectroscopy measurements to figure out what lighting works best for them personally. My friends have very, very diverse opinions on what spectral distributions they like/hate, but they lack the language and experience to identify or communicate their preferences except for "Ooh I like/hate this bulb".
I mostly use LED bulbs to keep heat generation down (I pay for the heat twice in Houston: once to generate it and again for the A/C to negate it). But I always mix in a bit of incandescents / halogens (2400-3000K) which provide full-spectrum blackbody radiation to see ALL the wonderful colors in my world.
fouronnes3
Do you have any insight on how to take spectroscopy measurements at home on a <1k€ budget? And how to select an LED manufacturing supplier when CRI is often the only thing available on the datasheet?
reaperman
Starting points for first question: Look into i1Pro (later models of the first generation), which can be had for $200-400. Combine with some free or $99 Windows/Mac/Android software [0] [1].
Second question: It is still too hard even to find CRI for most offerings. It's pretty much a "buy, test, return the ones you don't like" situation. If independent reviewers start publishing spectrograms and making YouTube/etc videos, perhaps the industry will move forward some day.
mac-mc
A little garden spectrometer is pretty good, and around $60: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxQmaJYMOAk . And the LED supplier should give a spectrometer graph. If you can get a dual peak LED that will give a better spectrum distribution. The Amaran 200x S is one of the best.
fouronnes3
Very cool! I definitely want a spectrometer at home now! edit: looks like it's more of a DIY project than a commercial thing. Maybe DIY spectrometer is my next project then!
alejohausner
The luxeon 2835 website that’s linked in the article has a data sheet for the LED source. Scroll down and you’ll see the spectra for various subtypes of that source.
manmal
With some LEDs, and especially the warm whites, I get this feeling of „artificiality“, for lack of a better word. Like the surroundings are somehow fabricated. It’s an interesting idea to mix and match those with other light sources, I‘m going to try that.
kulahan
I think most people at least know the difference between warm and cool light, which helps a lot, but otherwise I agree. As I’m reading this, I’m realizing I have no vocabulary for this topic. That’s… kinda strange to experience!
stevage
Huh, incandescents have been banned here (Australia) for years. Even compact fluorescents are out.
reaperman
There appear to be enough loopholes and lack of enforcement that you can still piece a solution together: https://electricalproducts.com.au/incandescent-lamps.html?p=...
ANighRaisin
Cool, but you can get brightness enhancement film for very cheap in AliExpress: https://www.aliexpress.com/i/2255799825024246.html
The brightness enhancement film is a transparent optical film. It consists of a three-layer structure. The bottom layer of the light-incident surface needs to provide a certain degree of haze by back coating, the middle layer is a transparent PET substrate layer, and the upper layer of light-emitting cotton. It is a microprism structure. When the microprism layer passes through the fine prism structure of the surface layer, the light intensity distribution is controlled by refraction, total reflection, light accumulation, etc., and the light scattered by the light source is concentrated toward the front side, and the unused light outside the viewing angle passes through the light.
So, it's similar to your design, but the grooves are very small.
fouronnes3
I wasn't aware this existed, thanks! Very interesting.
sberens
Really cool! I'm working on a lamp that gives you daylight levels of light indoors (albeit no raleigh scattering and columnated light). On the bright side (pun intended), it's 50,000 lumens instead of ~4500. https://getbrighter.com/
ajolly
Nice to see more high quality indoor light options. Any idea how you guys compare to this one? https://getchroma.co/products/skylight. I've got some of their other products - I'm generally been pretty happy with them but they do tend to be fairly pricey.
mac-mc
He hasn't given a spectrometer graph? When you ask him for one he can't seem to be bothered by something so basic either. I don't think he would beat an array of 4 amaran 200x S lights on light output or spectrum quality beyond the dimming method.
stevage
Wow, $2000 per lamp, yeah that's pricey.
izuchukwu
Had the chance to see one of these in person - did not believe you could achieve “daylight indoors” before I did.
reaperman
If you have a chance to chat with the staff again, I notice their marketing language says "Nearly perfect spectrum matching with daylight" - but they don't publish a Spectral Similarity Index. They only claim a (relatively low) CRI of 90+.
Edit: In other materials, they claim a very high CRI of 95+. Also the advertised wattage is sometimes 400W, other times 500W.
gblargg
I have a 200W LED flood light and it was the most depressing thing to shine indoors. EVERYTHING was covered in dust and filth that you wouldn't see under normal-intensity light. It felt like things had collapsed and I was surveying the remains of someone's house.
theianjohnson
I'm 100% your audience for this, all I want is for it to be able to automatically adjust it's color temperature throughout the day and I'd replace every Hue bulb in my house with it - can it do that?
sberens
Yep you can schedule it to get brighter/dimmer and warmer/cooler from your existing [Matter compatible] smart home system, and with HomeKit adaptive lighting you can have it follow the sun.
Aeolun
500 watts! I won't need a heater any more if I turn one of these on. I had a 10k lumen led matrix lamp, but I found that it completely threw off my natural rhythm to sit under it for any length of time. It felt like it was perpetually early morning.
polishdude20
Oh this is cool! Reminds me of led grow lights. You can get a panel with hundreds of LEDs on it for growing plants for like $200
LoganDark
I snagged a couple preorders upon seeing this comment, since I realized I forgot to do that before.
stephenpontes
DIY Perks also attempted to make artificial sunlight at home, also focusing on things like Rayleigh scattering! This was a great watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bqBsHSwPgw
EDIT: After reading the article, I see the OP calls out DIY Perks specifically - the OPs design is much more compact :)
> It's compact. The total size is 19cm x 19cm x 9cm. This is quite compact for a 5cm focal length and an effective lighting area of 18cm x 18cm. Reflective designs like the DIYPerks video or commercial products like CoeLux do not achieve this form factor.
this_and_that
If you want a jankier but cheaper version, here's a (much less nice) version for about $50: https://worstplans.com/2021/05/10/led-artificial-skylight-fo...
It uses a trash can plus a super-bright LED bulb plus a plastic book magnifier.
The main trick is that you can get a big magazine-sized flat plastic fresnel lens for like 10 bucks.
The original poster's solution is definitely better, but it's also possible to do this on the cheap with no 3D printing (or in fact, any skills whatsoever).
Gud
There already exists a fairly good replica of sunlight, Philips CDM. I used it when I was growing weed, lushest bushes I’ve ever seen. 10/10 buds.
It was discontinued for a while but I’m happy to see it’s back in production?
https://www.futuregarden.co.uk/philips-ceramic-discharge-met...
I would pick a CDM bulb any day over the alternatives, including LED, unless power consumption is an issue.
“ Philips daylight CDM lamps are extremely efficient ceramic metal halide lamps with a spectral output close to natural sunlight. As a result, plants form more lateral branches, have smaller inter-nodal spacing, more flowering sites, and larger root systems, culminating in strong, healthy growth and high-quality yields.
Philips CDM bulbs have an amazing operating life. They maintain their high output for a lifespan of 30,000hrs on average.”
Const-me
> the main thermal issue when scaling up would be the cooling of the power supply itself, not of the lamp
If I would be scaling up that device, I would consider an ATX power supply. These are relatively large and typically include an active cooler inside, but they can easily supply hundreds of watts at 12V, often have an on/off switch on the back, are relatively inexpensive (at least unless you need much more than 500W of power), and are available everywhere. Usually, you just need to connect the PS_ON wire with the ground to make them turn on once powered.
brcmthrowaway
Could you wire them in parallel for more watts
Const-me
Personally, I would avoid it if possible. Even if they are of the same model, small discrepancies may cause their +12V to be slightly different. At the very least, will cause very non-uniform load distribution.
Luckily, seems the OP only needs one. The current light only uses 36W @ 12V, even if they make the new light 10x more powerful, a single 400W PSU should do the job nicely.
foobarian
It's not like the fixtures consist of a single LED either. Should be trivial to parallelize.
brcmthrowaway
What about wiring them in parallel with a voltage regular after.
wtallis
At that point you might be better off getting a power distributor from an old server that was already designed to operate off redundant 12V power supplies. But you wouldn't want the server PSUs themselves due to the tiny loud fans.
cowfarts
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petsfed
Is there a reason why you went with traces rather than pours? I count 7 signals per board, and they're all meant to be low impedance. You could even expose copper on the back of the board to be used as ad hoc heat sinks without spending any extra money. The weird little triangle loops on the back really stand out to me, even though you probably don't need to worry about the impacts of a loop in your circuit.
fouronnes3
Thanks for the feedback. Everything I know about PCB design is self-taught. I'm a total beginner, so I'm sure there's a lot to improve!
There's only 2 routes per board, VCC and GND. I initially planned for SMD header pins that I didn't end up using, because soldering wire on bare pads was good enough. I also planned for 8 connection pads per PCB, but only used 2 to 4 in the final assembly. So yeah, lots of room for improvements in the PCB design! Definitely would need to spend some time on it for a higher power version 2.
zamalek
My first few boards had exactly the same problem, it wasn't mentioned in any of the tutorials that I watched. All you need to do is add a fill region that encloses the whole board, and usually set it to GND.
You probably don't need to worry about EMI and EMC with DC, but if you want to make these dimmable you definitely want a ground pour "behind" any high frequency lines. You additionally don't need to worry about that if you aren't manufacturing, but it's still worth learning it the right way IMO. The sig/pwr-gnd-gnd-sig/pwr stack-up is well worth getting into the habit of (it has great EMI characteristics), and translates relatively easily to gnd-sig/pwr-sig/pwr-gnd stack-up once you've nailed down the design (which has amazing EMI characteristics).
Rick Hartley made these stack-ups popular (if he didn't outright invent them): https://youtu.be/52fxuRGifLU?si=8W1WXfJRHg3Oeep5
mac-mc
I did something similar last year, but I was more focused on spectrum and used high powered movie lights, since their spectrum output is much better and you get a lot of lux. You can get most of the parallel light ray effect by adding a hyperrefelector which conveniently comes with most lights. I then added an incandescent heat lamp to fill in the IR part of the spectrum and some dedicated UV LED lights for the UVA part. I'm not brave enough to put in a UVB specific lamp.
I wrote about it here: https://metrep.substack.com/p/improve-your-focus-productivit...
spl757
I'd be interested in seeing the optical spectrograph of the LEDs. If you want to simulate sunlight you want a full-spectrum LED like a Samsung LM301 series LED which are popular in grow lights. Not all LEDs are created equal, and even the LEDs in many "grow" lights only show two sharp peaks at red and blue wavelengths. A full-spectrum LED will output colors across the visible spectrum of light. You can't tell by looking at them, so you can either buy ones from which you trust the manufacturer or do what I did and build a cheap optical spectroscope using a raspberry pi with a small camera attached, a spectroscope lens, and some python code. I'm sure there are guides you can find with a quick web search if interested in making one.
atoav
This is covered by the CRI95+ value, note that the LM301 you mentioned only has a color rendering index of 70. Maybe it has predominant wavelengths that are relevant for plant growth, I don't know, but a CRI of 70 isn't impressive at all.
For an accurate rendering of the suns spectrum you basically would like to simulate the spectrum of a blackbody radiator with a surface temperature of 5500°C minus the absorption bands of water vapors, atmospheric gases thst are typically inbetween the sun and us. Also note that the suns spectrum extends both above and below the visible range, which gives you the feeling of warmth (infrared) and tan/sunburn (ultraviolet).
In reality most commercially available LEDs still have a extremely spikey spectrum compared to sunlight — this can be somewhat fixed by mixing different LED types and adding filters. But this is only done in extremely expensive movie lights like Arri skypanels.
spl757
Thanks for the insight. Most of what I know about LEDs, and specifically the LM301 series, comes from research I did prior to setting up a small indoor grow tent several years ago. It was a "spikey spectrum" precisely that I was trying to avoid. For growing Cannabis you do want spikes at red and blue, but better LEDs also emit a wider spectrum along with the spikes and that results in a better result. Having only spikes at red and blue alone works, but not as well. The lights I ended up buying had LM301H EVO LEDs with a CRI of 80 and were designed for a 2'x2' tent. You can also get LM301H LEDs with a CRI of up to 90, though. The lights I ended up buying only cost 80 BezosBucks at the time. I don't spend BezosBucks anymore, though, due to enshittification of everything Amazon, but I digress.
While they aren't designed for growing, and to use them would be a complete waste of $8k, I bet the Arri SkyPanel S120-C SoftLight with a CRI of 95 would do a fine job for growing. You weren't kidding about them being extremely expensive.
zokier
The LED datasheet has Typical normalized power vs. wavelength graph (figure 1h) https://otmm.lumileds.com/adaptivemedia/832eef99dd3139f98fa9...
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mleroy
I’ve been thinking about the potential benefits of incorporating something like this into VR headsets. Since VR already controls the user’s visual perception, would adding a high-intensity blue light (not via the OLED displays but indirectly) allow for a more effective way to simulate bright daylight conditions? Achieving 10,000 lux at the eye would be much easier this way.
Very cool. I’m the CEO of Innerscene (https://innerscene.com) and we make a commercial artificial skylight that uses some of these concepts. Actually the coelux ht25 model is almost identical to what you made but using smaller lenses and more LEDs - however the effect they were able to achieve still isn’t that great, the sun looks like a giant orb and once you get a few feet away you can make out a sun at all. We spent a lot of time working on perfect collimation and hiding lens edges and making sure the view into the sky was seamless and artifact free. I’d say the last 10% of that problem is 90% of the work. :). I think we successfully cracked the nut but currently using a lot of expensive parts so working on brining the cost down. If you search Innerscene patent many of our approaches are spelled out. We also spent a lot of time on simulation and software…