Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

> insurance generally excludes riot and terrorism from coverage anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Risk_Insurance_Act

TRIA insurance against terrorism is required by law to be offered as a rider. It's actually shockingly affordable, because the law shifts the ultimate financial burden for any events between $200 million to $100 billion onto the federal government. So insurers have a reasonable cap on their expenses and don't need to rely on traditional re-insurers for black swan events.

Most people decline this rider anyways, no matter how cheap it is - and therefore most people are not covered for terrorism related damages.

The problem with Tesla is they used financial engineering to get where they are today, and that cycle eventually catches up to you.

Enshittification is a real thing, and happens because benefits were front-loaded through ponzi (in this case backed by money printing and the public market retirements that must rebalance based on S&P or other indexes).

There are also higher risks with 'licensing' a Tesla. Both to society as a whole, and to the owners themselves. Licensing isn't owning, and you get what you pay for.

Few of the people who choose to get a Tesla actually think about what they are doing aside from their own ego, which is actively supporting un-American ideals.

How-so?

A Tesla is not a car, it is a sensor/node based computer that is networked and connected that performs the functions of a car.

A networked computer with many sensors is part of a mass distributed network called "Remote Sensing Networks" or RSNs.

The short-term profit on money isn't in building the car. It is in selling the data that has been collected and aggregated to the highest bidder, while getting you to pay for your own enslavement to such willfully provided subscription data.

Every time you see a Tesla while driving, whether it is on or off, the Tesla logs you and your passengers face, biometrics, behavior, location, history, travel, and other hints that may be visible including EM following a master data-management strategy that is built on big-tech primitives at their data center. This includes conversations or more intimate settings which have already leaked to the general internet (in some cases).

It is illegal for anyone to film, and distribute film of others, and record conversation without their explicit and specific consent, let alone such other aspects of personal data, where it contains everywhere you go, what you do, even in your own backyard or within your garage (home), or your neighbors (where consent is not given). Yet this is what Tesla is doing through complacent consent, and coercion (corruption by dependency in sunk cost/function).

A Tesla is not the only RSN, your cell phone does this, your media players (Roku) and Smart TVs do this. Your laptops, modern OS (Windows), and too many other devices to count do this. When profit is guaranteed, monopolists seek coercive control, and information is power.

If you have these, you have consented to have a digital soldier mediating in every aspect of your life whether you know it or not. Even though they didn't tell you what they were doing. They were not required to specifically say what and how they used that data, and they defined it broadly and ambiguously. Dis-aggregation of Alarm, and Separation of Concerns.

That is how the banality of evil (complacency) becomes the radical evil (Nazi's).

What does that open the door to or allow?

Abuse, Coercion, Arbitrary Discrimination, Loss of some things that become everything. These are the same abuses that inspired the constitution's third amendment, and what led us to join the War for self and others during WW2.

We are repeating what lead up to the American Revolution, and because so many people have wilfully blinded themselves they can't see the consequences of their actions while they actively participate towards definite systems failures, mindlessly.

"No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."

Implicit in this is that there remains a rule of law, which has mostly failed.

I really pity the people who have such little awareness that they go and buy a Tesla. It is like waving the communist/fascist flag which is statism, for all to see... we're American. "Yes, but what kind of American".

This has happened before, and it is too late to stop it from happening again.

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If you look at places like Reddit where the organizing is happening, they don't differentiate between left-leaning buyers of years past, and in fact call them out for being complicit by not selling their (paid for?) car. It's scorched earth and is not limited to new buyers.

Also the stock was effectively a meme stock. So now the jig is up, the stock deflates like no other.

He's got less than 20% of Tesla now, but he owns nearly half of SpaceX... bet you he'd be so so sooooooooo much richer if that went public too

What makes you think Elon cares about wealth?

He's been telling about Mars for _2 decades_ and people somehow think he's a nazi about to pull off ethnic cleansing.

wrong. the people in question are not "protesting" anything. they are committing violent destruction of property against random people who happened to buy an EV. calling them "protesters" only does a disservice to those who actually are. these people are criminals to catch and lock away, nothing more.

Or, you should do politics without promoting nazism and white supremacy on the platform that you solely bought to be able to do so.

Well, is your claim that's it's isnt working? Perhaps after Tesla is bankrupt 6 years from now, tycoons with political ambitions will be less likely to adopt extremist political stances.

It doesn't need to make sense to you, personally, the HN commentariat, to be effective political action.

“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”

George Bernard Shaw

> Thanks to Leon's salute, instead of buying 1-3 more Tesla's in my lifetime [...]

I can see how one could make a plausible argument for this...

> [...] I'm going back to plain gas powered Hondas. I'm choosing specifically non-turbo non-hybrid models. The American people, with their choice of President, have shown me they don't care about the present or the future. I'm sure their president will keep gas prices low. I don't see any reason for me to suffer for their benefit or anyone else's. The American people have chosen to doom us all, so why not just make life easy on myself.

...but that makes no sense whatsoever.

A non-plug in hybrid is a gas car. All the energy used by its electric motors comes from either using the gas motor to charge its battery or from regenerative braking. It just uses less gas per mile than a non-hybrid and is more reliable than a non-hybrid [1]. If you want to drive a 100% powered by gas car and want to make life easy on yourself a non-plug in hybrid is the way to go.

Unless you need a pickup truck or something similarly beefy it is hard to make a case that a gas powered non-hybrid is better than a non-PHEV hybrid.

[1] Yes, non-plug in hybrids from the top hybrid car makers like Toyota and Honda are more reliable than gas cars. It is a little counterintuitive because you'd expect that hybrids would be much more complex due to having both gas and electric drive systems, but it turns out that they also remove quit a bit, and also the drive train can actually be simpler. Toyota's transmission on its hybrids for example is mechanically much simpler. The data from Consumer Reports and others that track reliability show about 25% fewer problems on non-plug in hybrids.

I'm curious if that's plausibly an act of criminal assault.

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>The other backed into a pole in a parking lot and they totaled out the car.

That's ludicrous.

> The Mercedes cars offer SAE Level 3 certification

In an S-class. The comment above compares it to a MB A-class.

Tesla produces no car in the MB S-class category.

Nothing MB has is anywhere close to FXD 13.2.x

So if the SAE standards don't reflect that, they are poor standards

Trump did literally say during that event that attacking Tesla showrooms was domestic terrorism.

I would guess that the multiple interstate locations will bump it to the Federal level. Exactly as it would have, with the Apple stores.

Agree

Tesla and Tesla charger vandalism was high last year by the anti-ev crowd

It's expected to be higher occurrence, but less measurable (ie, petty vandalism) by the anti Elon crowd

> Law enforcement, comprised completely of government workers, is going to go out and find the people protesting against killing off their golden goose?

Law enforcement has both generally been spared direct cuts and had federal accountability measures removed, so they, and especially the worst actors, have plenty of reason to friendly to the regime.

Law enforcement, comprised of local workers, are accountable to their local citizens.

I don't think they have any particular beef against cutting federal workers.

> as a campaign to dissuade people from buying Teslas this seems to be quite effective.

Terrorism is generally effective. That's kind of the point, to effect change through violence. Although hopefully, that effect doesn't escalate to enforcement of real ID on the Web to deal with all of the people promoting terrorism on social media platforms.

But it is more difficult to prove criminal intent and value paint, metal, and tire damage.

If Sentry mode records the perpetrator, the cops have to find it criminal, and then the DA decides to prosecute....

Good luck civilly pursuing every door ding or the mustard that fell off a sandwich -- even if somebody holds their ID up to a sentry mode camera, or drives off with their license plate clearly visible.

Needlessly replacing a working item is over consumption. An EV has much more embodied carbon compared to an ICE vehicle and needs 20,000 miles to "break even." I'm likely 2 years away from that given our driving habits.

You could argue that the next driver will pick up the slack for me, but I can't guarantee that to be the case.