'Dogequest' Site Claims to Dox Tesla Owners Across the U.S.

And the only people who begin an argument with an ad hominem understand they have no argument at all.

I don't believe that the people who are dying in Ukraine after Starlink pulled out struggled to see reality as the bombs fell. I don't believe that all of the "parasites" as Musk calls them were terminally online before they lost their social security. I'm sure the many veterans he made jobless had a good dose of reality on the battlefield while serving the US. I don't believe that the leaders of so many countries in Europe and America are spending all of their time doomscrolling and I don't think Germany is starting investigations into electoral fraud on the basis of something they saw being terminally online.

And is this worse than what he's done? There are no calls for vandalism, it's only personal details. There was no threat implied wegen he shared the personal details of the daughter of a judge he disagreed with with millions of people right?

Tell that to the thousands who have lost their jobs in careers they no longer feel comfortable pursuing.

Claiming only those who are "terminally online" think this is more than inconvenient is an amazing display of either privilege or not giving a crap. Either way, lol calling kettle.

> way worse than Elon has ever been

Seriously? Vandalizing innocent people's property is wrong, but ransacking government institutions is far worse and much more consequential. There's an order of magnitude difference in the number of victims and the ways in which they're affected, which includes death.

Death, you ask? Gutting health agencies, pollution regulators, or international efforts to prevent the spread of disease will all lead to increased numbers of death.

However, it seems that when the scale of the crime outgrows a certain threshold, the perceived severity goes down somehow. It's depressing.

I still don't care. I may just buy another Tesla and a handgun :)

That's a lot of words to rant at someone performing the most basic principles of capitalism, which is voting with their wallet.

Right, I think the new term is hitlist.

Saturn EV1, I'm still mad you couldn't buy one.

2021. Just a typo... although, I love the weird downvotes.

> I got the car in 2001

It's an extremely rare prototype from 2 years before the company was founded. /s

If he wanted to do those things with the consent of the people, he could have run for public office. Buying his way in changes things significantly.

>> most CEOs are too cowardly

Posted from a throwaway account created specifically for this post.

Cowardly indeed.

If you give somebody money, and they do harmful things with that money, then you are partially at fault. It's not political hatred, I just want people to take some responsibility for their actions.

I don't want to see anybody harmed, or have to take losses beyond the abysmal resale value of their car, but if developing an economy that is compatible with democracy means hurting some feelings along the way, well that sucks but it may be a necessary evil.

If what is being destroyed is a bunch of stock prices, and if the owner/CEO/etc. is under fire for using their wallet to disproportionally influence politics, then yeah more power to 'em. It's not about sending a message from left to right, but rather from bottom to top:

> Your contribution to politics should be 1 vote and 0 dollars, or else.

No, everybody does. And they talk to each other about it, and this affects prices and how investments are allocated, which determines whether and which people have government-influencing amounts of power.

I'm not proposing we trash his Tesla, I'm proposing that we maintain the stigma. For better or worse this is how markets work, so lets use them.

Sounds made up. I live in a very lefty part of the Bay Area in California where Teslas abound, and there has never been any kind of campaign against them until recently, just some cynicism about Musk's grandiose claims.

My impression from reading your other comments is that you don't even live in the US. If that's wrong please correct me, but if not I think you should refrain from making counterfactual claims.

I put Antifa into a whole other category called, Terrorist.

What a ridiculous bad faith deflection. No other auto maker is explicitly and aggressively aligning itself with the current administration and their policies. Tesla’s CEO wants to associate his company with a political vision and is vocal about using his money to further that vision.

> GM caught up in Uyghur forced labor aluminum and sells driver data.

I'd like the latter to be generally illegal (along with most of the analytics industry — just the other day I got a popup that wanted me to share my use of a website with 1604(!) partners, whereas my secondary school only had about 1000 students).

The former, I wish we could actually do something about, but China is so dominant on the world Aluminium markets that even if you didn't buy from them directly, all you're doing is substituting yourself for another buyer — boycotting Chinese aluminium is probably possible, but is like trying to get private individuals to boycott Nestlé.

> Ford and most of the German and Italian automakers have fascist roots and were involved in forced labor. Many of them are owned by the same families implicated in those past decisions.

Stuff that happened before most people alive today were born, and where the evil was systematically routed out immediately after WW2 right up until people decided there was a greater evil next door (in the form of the USSR), isn't going to upset people as much as hitching your wagon to a party that is currently doing as much as it can as fast as it can to undermine the USA's economic and global soft-power, while openly disregarding the sovereignty of two direct neighbours (including one he's a citizen of!), tweeting a well-technically about how many people Hitler killed, and doing something that is close enough to a Nazi salute to be unlawful to reproduce in Germany.

As for who to replace with, I don't know what their sales are like in the USA, but the Stellantis group collectively has a lot of brands.

> Ford and most of the German and Italian automakers have fascist roots and were involved in forced labor.

Thing is, everyone involved in that is dead, and in the case of the Germans the ownership has entirely changed (any continuity between today's VW and Gesellschaft zur Vorbereitung des Deutschen Volkswagens mbH is, well, incredibly tenuous, say). Like, it's hardly comparable to a company where the _current CEO_ is flouncing about doing Nazi salutes and tweeting Hitler apologia.

You should uncritically believe them, they have no reason to lie.

The Hyundai Ionia 5 could do nearly a full charge in 20 minutes, if you had access to a charger that basically no one did.

Wonder what the details are on this BYD claim.

I didn't notice the 3's being particularly bad, the truck one is tiny, useless and presumably only there for compliance.

Only the Cybertruck is like that.

It's just like any other rear view mirror with auto dimming.

> Lots of people are indifferent or even supported what's happening

Yes. Yes they are.

We see the true face of Americans and what they really believe. Whether 51% or 49% of America wants this is basically irellevent.

Unless you were raised by a pack of wolves in the wilderness, you're benefiting from the society that's been built by generations of your fellow man. Leeching off of that when it's convenient and living a private life when it's not, is a violation of the social contract.

As a Canadian, I feel quite exasperated and angry about how you frame this. Sounds very cowardly-American when your country is crumbling beneath you, taking the world down with it

Apolitical or 100% connected. Zero middle ground.

Because when the people around you are suffering it is connected.

Yes, it is. At this moment in time, none of us get the luxury of a quiet, simple life. Burying your head in the sand & refusing to engage with the world around you is a choice, a tacit support of what's keeping you from that ideal life you want.

It's a very tone deaf & privileged stand to complain about how an authoritarian government is making your life harder. If you're not being mistakenly imprisoned or actively hunted, the options are to join the resistance, or put your tail between your legs, let the government trample others' rights (and by proxy, your rights), and try to fool yourself into thinking you can just let things blow over.

If you're not joining in the resistance and you're instead choosing to sit out the fight for your freedoms & rights, you don't get to criticize the people who ARE fighting. They're fighting for themselves & their loved ones, and for you, whether you join in or not.

> Tesla already has that person’s money. It’s purely a performative action?

Car companies care deeply about resale value, since that directly impacts new car value.

Teslas require constant maintenance (like all cars, plus the recalls) and many have a subscription, it's not performative. Each Tesla owner is an asset to them post-sale.

Destroying the market for used Teslas and the brand harms Elon Musk's personal wealth which he uses to achieve his personal political goals. Now you may or may not agree with that as a method, but the logic is straightforward.

But we have to suffer for their inaction. They have some small power to fight against it and are choosing not to. It's reasonable to watch people suffer or die but not to sell your car?

Why $110 specifically?

There's value in the parts and eventually there will be scrap value.

To be clear, I'm not supporting damaging random Tesla's, just answering the questions asked.

> who's going to buy it? Nobody would want to own a molotov magnet

If nothing else, it has value as parts.

> In the end it'll be hurting my wallet and not Elon's because I have to junk the car and buy a different brand.

It hurts both. Nobody is going to buy Tesla is what they can look forward to a string of vandalism and eventually having to either sell it for a song or scrap it for parts. Tesla/Elon may already have the money from your current purchase, but destroying the second hand market and otherwise making it painful to own one reduces demand, and that hurts Elon's wallet.

Make it Carvana / Carmax's problem, they'll take almost anything.

Right. The problem is these kinds of groups don’t carry internal dissent (sometimes by definition), so they carry out and do things that undermine their goals in return for some quick but ephemeral reward.

I'm guessing people who haven't taken a stance don't feel the pain (yet). The old adage is "No country is more than three meals away from a revolution." 1), and some people still have meals. But alienating the "moderates" might lead them to join the "other side", because "our side" are just full of assholes...

1) Variations: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2022/05/02/nine-meals/

Except those are over 90% of the population. This move is not going to win moderates over at all. It’s a feel-good move like a nice heroine shot.

Yeah, the whole area within miles of downtown LA had 3 Teslas, and the area around Redmond WA (where the Microsoft HQ is) had exactly one (and it wasn't even a Microsoft employee, apparently it was someone from Pure Storage). Which is obviously laughable, as my floor of the apartment parking garage alone (Seattle, 3 years ago) had 7 (out of maybe 18 total parking spots), and my floor at the work garage (in Redmond) had way more.

All in all, at this point, I am just curious how they obtained/gathered those specific datapoints. It isn't even a case of "some data is missing", it is more like "99%+ of data in the most Tesla-dominant areas in the US is missing".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokenism

> Up until Pearl Harbor WW2 was just a little continental war where it wasn't clear which side should be annihilated.

It wasn't in America but it was in the rest of the world, since European powers controlled such a large part of the world back then.

Tip of my Sean John hat to you sir.

That means nothing, the ADL is willing to make an uneasy alliance with legitimate antisemites if it means furthering their settler colonialist project in the middle east.

he literally did it not once, but twice. i've been alive for thirty two years and done my fair share of autistic shit (programmer). But yknow what I've managed to never accidentally do? Anything even vaguely resembling a nazi salute. And yknow what? Fine, suppose for a moment it was an accident or whatever. If i were a billionaire figureheard of my company on national television in the seat of power of the free world, I would ensure I had media training and knew how to not have the international audience go "wow he just did a nazi salute, twice" if I didn't intend it. Remember George W stopping himself from saying the sound bite of "shame on me"? Elon is either literally, genuinely stupid, or he meant to do a nazi salute. And I honestly don't believe Elon is stupid from an intelligence perspective.

One last remark: if I did accidentally do a nazi salute on live television, do you know what I would do at the soonest available opportunity? Clarify that I'm not a nazi, it was an accident, and that nazis are bad. It's a surefire way to ensure you're not accidentally perceived as a nazi. Similar to how "Nazi Punks Fuck Off" really helped Dead kennedys in this regard.

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How often are totalitarian regimes defeated by voting, though? The problem with this mindset is that people can use it to talk themselves out of ever doing anything, which is the ideal environment for totalitarianism. Unpleasant as these tactics are, they seem to be effective in achieving their goal of cratering Tesla sales.