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GIMP 3.0

GIMP 3.0

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·March 17, 2025

geenat

3.0 is big for GIMP. Lots of features to make it viable for simple Desktop Publishing and YouTube thumbs.

Created a quick poster: https://i.imgur.com/pPgy255.png Stuff that needs work:

* UI/UX: "Tool->GEGL Operation..." is too much friction for such a common operation- just pop it up when you click on the "FX" button in the layers window.

* UI/UX: Naming. Drop shadows and glow are currently not discoverable (its squirreled away in the generic "GEGL Styles").

* UI/UX: "Move Tool" should act like a common entry point to other tools if you're not dragging. Switch to "Transform Tool" if I single click an image layer. Switch to the "Text Tool" if I single click a Text layer! Please!

* UI/UX: Copying/pasting layer styles does not work. Users can overlook many issues if you can duplicate/destroy layer styles easily. Preset system is cumbersome. Idea: Presets usable from the Layers window directly (could be just add/apply presets) would help a lot, but just copy/paste would probably be better.

* BUG: Layers often clip GEGL Glow. Again could be worked around by just easy copy/paste of layer styles. See clipping present on "GIMP Halloween Party" text in my image.

glandium

It always bothered me that some things were tucked away in "obscure" submenus, especially when the obscurity is an implementation detail.

Really, it doesn't matter that GEGL operations are... GEGL operations.

chirau

May I ask a not so smart question... What is the big deal with thumbnails for YouTube videos. Like, I am always hearing about these thumbnails as if they can make or break a video/channels outcomes.

phire

You know how YouTubers are always talking about how "the algorithm" didn't like this video, or loves that video. Or that "the algorithm" is a huge black block which nobody knows how it works.

Youtube's "the algorithm" will make or break both videos and channels.

But "the algorithm" isn't really a mystery. At a basic level, it just shows a bunch of video recommendations to viewers, and measures if they click it or not (watch time, comments, likes also factor into the algorithm, but none of that matters if they don't click first). The higher the click-through rate, the more the video is pushed in recommendations.

And the only things a viewer sees is the thumbnail, channel name, and video title. They have to decide which video they are going to watch based on just that.

So really, a large chunk of "the algorithm" is just how appealing your thumbnail is to potential views.

xingped

Think of it like a book cover. Regardless of a book's title or summary, an attractive (attracting? attention grabbing?) cover will get more people to click it. Also depending on where the thumbnail is displayed, you may not see the full video title, such as the grid after a video finishes playing.

technion

I have tobwonder how many variations of "gaping mouths and shocked expressions" we can come up with.

grandempire

Mr Beast says he designs the thumbnail before making the video, then plans how to make a video to fit it.

vunderba

Though I haven't seen stats to back it up - I've heard from multiple sources that thumbnails which include a gigantic bobblehead of the author with a particularly exaggerated stupid looking expression on their face induce more people to click through.

Even if it's for the sake of feeding the algorithm, I do my best to skip them.

I also internally prioritize videos which:

- avoid usage of superlatives "TOP X", "BEST OF Y"

- have more than 5k views and less than 250k views.

After a while, my YT recommendations have become mostly solid.

gblargg

I mostly skip videos with arrows in the thumbnails.

ryandrake

It's called YouTube Face[1] and the fact that it works makes me weep for humanity.

1: https://allscience.substack.com/p/on-the-grim-reality-of-you...

danielheath

At the end of a video, youtube shows thumbnails for several "suggested next videos".

The thumbnail, video name and channel name are the only bits of information potential viewers see - if your thumbnail isn't good, they aren't even going to _start_ your video, let alone keep watching it.

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loeg

It's like a headline in visual form. The most attention-grabbing thumbnail gets the clicks.

Conan_Kudo

Because they can. The thumbnails are the first impression of a video, and if it isn't attention-grabbing, the video suffers.

CyberDildonics

Everyone knows you need the mouth open dumb face or the completely fake AI image for max brain rot which drives views and "engagement" (commenting on the fact that it's nonsense with people then defending the video as an authority as if it isn't stock footage with an AI voice reading a reddit comment).

kijin

If it's a menu or toolbar and it mentions GEGL, it's wrong. GEGL is not something that end users should have to care about. Not to mention superfluous, since almost every fancy operation uses GEGL under the hood anyway.

tasuki

> Making pro-quality text got easier, too. Style your text, apply outlines, shadows, bevels, and more

Those... are not "pro-quality" things but cheap gimmicks.

Good that they're introducing non-destructive editing! I've long moved to DarkTable for photo editing. Photo editing never seemed like GIMP's goal.

idle_zealot

> Making pro-quality text got easier, too. Style your text, apply outlines, shadows, bevels, and more, and you can still edit your text, change font and size, and even tweak the style settings.

This is a game-changer. I tried to use GIMP to typeset comic translations many years ago, and the workflow was so terrible I had to resort to a few extra tools, complicating my workflow. I'll have to try the new text editing to see for sure, but it sounds like typesetting is now comparable to what's offered in proprietary editors.

geenat

Agreed, surprisingly capable in 3.0 compared to latest krita or inkscape. Krita 5.3 is supposed to get a major overhaul for text as well (real time preview, on-canvas editing).

Carrok

So excited to try this. I had the exact same experience.

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Carrok

I’ve been using GIMP as long as I can remember, more or less. Say what you will about the UI/UX but it remains top tier free software. So glad to see this.

Diti

I’d say the winner in this category is Krita.

Gualdrapo

Krita and GIMP are not in the same category.

One is for digital painting and the other is, as it name says, an image manipulation program.

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BeetleB

For photo editing Gimp is way ahead. It also has a lot more plugins. Krita is superior when it comes to drawing or painting.

nvllsvm

Genuinely curious - in which specific ways is GIMP better than Krita at photo editing?

hatthew

I don't know if this is an artifact of what I grew up on (paint shop pro), but personally I found Krita vastly more intuitive than GIMP, to the extent that I no longer use GIMP, and instead use Krita even for tasks that are objectively more appropriate for GIMP.

lollollollollol

I tried Krita, but as difficult to use as Gimp can be, Gimp is still easier to use for me and has all the image tools I need.

balamatom

Again with the competitions, haha. But I mean, yeah - in a scenario where you only have one shot to recommend a piece of free software to someone, and are trying to avoid their startled retreat back into the walled garden, I'd also give 'em Krita.

Nevertheless, both are wonderful pieces of software! I'm not a graphics pro but do find myself editing images quite regularly, and I usually reach for GIMP as it's more familiar to me. Krita on the other hand has a great brush engine, so if I feel like drawing something, I go for that.

Also, of course, whichever one has GMIC on that particular day! Some of the stuff in that plugin is absolutely wild. Usually that means Krita again, though iirc at some point it was broken there for some time, but I found it for GIMP...

Btw, anyone know if there's a Rebelle Mixbox-style color mixing feature for either of the two?

peterashford

I use both and I think they both have areas where they are better than the other

flykespice

Does it have the same freature set as gimp? Genuine question because I have heard people saying Krita err much more to artistic creation side than photo editing capabilities that gimp does.

vekatimest

Krita still doesn't have a usable text tool or a way to change an image's color space.

HKH2

No, you can't print in Krita. Also, GIMP's transform tools are more powerful.

wombatpm

Been a user since 0.48 running on a SGI Indy with IRIX 7.x because I needed something with a UI for my undergrads to mark up image. Amazing how far it has come along.

roenxi

> Say what you will about the UI/UX but it remains top tier free software.

Just don't mention the name.

buu700

I was actually a regular user of GIMP for years before I learned that the word had any other definition. While working at a summer camp as a teenager, I happened to install it on an office computer. One day I'm doing some work in the office, when all of a sudden I hear one of the camp directors in the other room laugh and ask why some perverted program called "gimp" was in the list of applications.

Lammy

Call it GNU IMP if it bothers you

evanb

Shouldn't it expand to GIMP IMP? Or GIMP IMP IMP? Or GIMP IMP IMP IMP IMP? Maybe the fixed point is G...IMP?

TylerE

Imp isn't much better, especially south of the Bible Belt.

balamatom

Some classic FOSShead contrariness on their part. They shoulda used the major release to officially rename it to GNU IMP, if you ask me. GNU could use the publicity and an "imp" is definitely cuter than a "gimp".

shadowgovt

How do you get it to paste without popping a new layer into existence that you have to deal with and decide to anchor or tear off into its own thing?

idle_zealot

What would you prefer it do? That "new layer" is how it asks whether you meant to paste the contents of your clipboard into an actual new layer or merge it into an existing one (anchor).

The relevant docs for the temporary floating layer that's created on paste are here: https://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-selection-float.html

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blooalien

Kudos! Am a huge proponent of learning the most useful hotkey combinations for any software one uses even semi-frequently. Such a massive time-saver.

ryukoposting

Non-destructive editing is a huge shift for GIMP that's really exciting to see. I'm quite happy with Rawtherapee so I don't know if I'll go back to GIMP, but the fact that you won't have to create a bazillion extra layers with backups of your work will be a huge step forward.

esskay

And sticking with tradition, zero screenshots of it on the announcement post.

pndy

> » READ COMPLETE RELEASE NOTES «

There are some. At first glance it doesn't seem to be that much different from 2.10 that I have installed in Manjaro

anymouse123456

Congrats and thanks for all the hard work.

I'm an occasional/light user of image editing software and Gimp has been my go-to for years now.

I really appreciate all the work you've put into small UX details and performance over the past 3-5 years. It shows.

xtagon

Non-destructive editing sounds great!

jfengel

That's huge. It is a massive gap in its capacity.

rascul

> Updated graphical toolkit (GTK3) for modern desktop usage.

Are distros going to drop GTK2 now?

progmetaldev

Unless they are focused on decreasing bloat, I don't think that this will happen. There are lots of utilities and other software that still uses GTK2. I doubt that GIMP was the last tool left to prevent dropping GTK2. I found this from ArchLinux, search for "gtk 2":

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK...

Plus you can search for "GTK 2" dependencies. Some sites seem hopeful to move to GTK 4, while others wish they could move to 3, and some talk about upcoming 5.

TingPing

Debian and RHEL already did.

jayzalowitz

It blows my mind that the cockroach db founders started this 29 years ago.

Amazing to see this release.

lollollollollol

I couldn’t tell you what the benefit of cockroach db is or what it’s used for, but I’ve been using Gimp for the majority of its life.

dskhatri

I too have been using the wonderful GIMP for years. The BIMP (Batch Image Manipulation Plugin for GIMP) is super useful in batch processing a large number of images in GIMP.

synergy20

gimp is a bit complicated for casual use for common and simple needs, wish there is a much simplified version.

would be even nicer if there is one click passport mode, picture improvement mode, etc, something like what mobile phone photo apps provide.

jijji

Gimp is about as complicated or less than Photoshop which is what it's replacing... as a matter of fact there's even a Photoshop UI interface template that sits on top of gimp that makes it act exactly as Photoshop... so what are you talking about specifically