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Mark Carney Is Canada's Next Prime Minister

rayiner

Note that he’s only Prime Minister temporarily. He’s replacing Trudeau and will call elections soon (must be before October) and will go up against Poilievre.

EDIT: Didn’t mean to suggest he won’t win the election. But he’ll have to defend the seat.

Macha

Potentially temporarily - the tariffs and 51st state rhetoric has really shifted the polling there from an easy conservative win to a liberal resurgence

snapplebobapple

That's not really accurate. What we have is one unhinged far left polster (ekos) doing very questionable thing to skew the average and some weirdness out of ipsos occasionally. You can see many of the individual polls here: https://338canada.com/polls.htm I'm not going to bother posting the deleted twitter rants from the guy that runs ekos, but he's ruining his reputation right now because nobody will believe him after this. Carney got the new guy bump and now that people are getting to know him the polls look uglier for him each week because he's one of the architects of the policies that are so unpopular.

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GypsyKing716

We need to just deal with some squirrels in the pack looking for nuts, but I think Poilievre if he wins will fix the West Coast problems tuque-svet

jasoneckert

The speeches tonight by Chrétien and Carney were quite powerful and succinct. There were a lot of gems in there that will likely go viral on US and Canada news networks.

But what struck me the most from the speeches was the strong sense of certainty that Carney is the right person to take Canada into the next decade.

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cendyne

What did they talk about that gave you this certainty?

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hn_throwaway_99

Care to explain what you mean by that?

toomuchtodo

“Comprising the largest visible minority group in the region, Toronto is the destination of over half of the immigrants coming from India to Canada, and India is the single largest source of immigrants in the Greater Toronto Area.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_Canadians_in_the_G...

gggtttkkk88

Some people really do think if you move infinity Indians to Canada then they you can magically turn Indians into Canadians (spoiler: you actually turn Canada into India).

from-nibly

> Mark Carney steps into an unprecedented moment

Allow me to be obtuse, and correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't every moment unprecedented? Like, isn't that how time works?

gnabgib

Certainly the press' use of unprecedented has precedent.

abe94

I keep forgetting this is the same Mark Carney that ran the bank of England

cperciva

And before that, the Bank of Canada.

ghssds

"Les canadiens et les canadiens sont inquiets du cul de la vie!" --Mark Carney.

The next few years will be delightful.

classichasclass

Okay, my schoolboy French is tres terrible, but am I translating this correctly? "The Canadians and the Canadians are worried about the ass of life"?

hn_throwaway_99

Also schoolboy French speaker, but my assumption is that it's a malapropism: "Les Canadiens sont inquiets du coût de la vie!" would mean "Canadians are worried about the cost of living", and my guess is "cul de la vie" is how some heard his accent.

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healsdata

Apparently his French is pretty terrible too.

> Carney tripped up, most notably when he said, “we agree with Hamas,” instead of “we agree about Hamas,” to the delight of Conservatives all over social media.

WorkerBee28474

Years? This guy's tenure will be best measured in weeks.

tomek_zemla

Why is that?

WorkerBee28474

The next Canadian federal election will be no later than October 20, 2025. Possibly much sooner.

While Carney's party has seen a bump in the polls recently (thanks to Trump) which changed the predicted result from an opposition blowout to merely an opposition lead, Carney is nowhere near as good a communicator as Trudeau and will likely not do well in the polls.

cyberlurker

It sounds like the person you’re replying to thinks Carney's Liberal Party is set to lose the upcoming election. Before Trump started going after Canada, the Conservatives seemed like a sure bet to take over Parliament. But since the tariffs came into play, the Liberals have really picked up steam. No matter where you stand politically, I think Trump isn’t the best at thinking strategically. He could have waited for the next Canadian election and probably ended up with a party in power that would be easier to negotiate with. Now, things are a lot less certain, and it could even give the Liberals a chance to come back stronger. It’ll be interesting to see how it all plays out. Plus, it’s kind of idiotic that Trump pushed for the USMCA, which looked like a win for him, but these tariffs seem to go against the spirit of that agreement. It makes you wonder why anyone would want to deal with him in good faith moving forward.

nayuki

> On that note, he announced the carbon tax would soon be cancelled.

I'm super-disappointed. The carbon tax is the most effective market-based mechanism for controlling carbon dioxide emissions. The majority of economists support it, while political support trails behind significantly.

Also, it's disingenuous to only focus on axing the carbon tax without mentioning that the quarterly refund to every resident of Canada will also be axed. The carbon tax is designed as a revenue-neutral program.

icegreentea2

Carbon tax is toxic in Canada. Bashing it is like a quarter of the conservative's platform.

There's an interview with the former Minister of Environment who pushed through carbon pricing (https://thetyee.ca/News/2025/02/11/Catherine-McKenna-Intervi... - note this is a thoroughly left leaning newspaper). She notes that she felt the government's failure to properly communicate/advertise about how carbon pricing works (and the refunds I imagine...) left the field wide open for the conservatives to own the messaging and framing.

It is disappointing, but not at all unexpected.

snapplebobapple

It's more that it's a dumb idea in the face of other government regulations making it impossible to substitute (looking at you mostly zoning making walking, biking, and public transit best case being extremely inconvenient vs car and severely limiting accommodation choice to mostly very low density car required single family or a very small supply mostly ancient missing middle options or sky scrapers.) This makes the carbon tax need to be very high to change behavior which has knock on effects in the less easily substitutable stuff we all need like food transport that makes every noticeably poorer even when they are getting reimbursed for most to all of their primary carbon tax payments. It doesn't help that close by competitors don't have this tax and can incentivize various companies to leave for greener pastures.

So it's not that it was improperly communicated, pretty much every Canadian understands what is going on. It's that it's dumb without a myriad of other changes to regulation at various other levels of government that should have been changed first. That the feds went at it alone meant it would inevitably be their downfall (all the other really questionable/borderline criminal things this government has done is bonus material)

mitthrowaway2

For those of us not already determined to vote conservative, the carbon tax was one of the most compelling reasons to vote liberal. It was a well designed policy, even if many people don't understand it.

Since they're both axing the tax anyway, that's one less differentiator which leaves me thinking maybe I should just choose based on who is more likely to pop the real estate bubble.

icegreentea2

Fair enough.

But overall polling is pretty clear (this is from Jan 2024, but I imagine it's probably pretty similar now) https://abacusdata.ca/carbon-tax-pollution-pricing-carbon-ac...

31% say they won't vote liberals regardless of carbon tax, 23% say they won't vote liberal because of, or partly because of carbon tax, 38% says their liberal support is carbon pricing agnostic, and 8% says carbon pricing makes liberals more attractive.

Freedom2

Interesting to read the perspective of Americans who don't understand that different countries have different election systems, and that Canada doesn't directly elect their PMs.

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dralley

Nobody thinks this is funny.

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mindslight

2019 called. It wants its denial chant back. Personally, I'd rather be an American than a Trumpist. And to our friendly neighbors up north - I'm sorry, you don't deserve this.

rayiner

Actually it will be the 29th state of india.

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GypsyKing716

Sorry to hear this news. I don't want to spoil the party, but the bucking heads between both countries, especially as a border town dual-citizen, its only going to make living in the Canada that much more difficult for me. The US economy is 9x bigger and with a population of 45M vs. 325M+ - its crazy. Ontario dominates the political spectrum (just a point of fact, not of affiliation) it doesn't allow for collaboration across the provinces. BC and AB are booming, and Ontario just keeps stagnating their innovation trains and economic prosperity and we're likely to see this continue into the future as Toronto and Ottawa just dictate the population as a whole from a central "neck of the woods" thinking.

God save the King, but at what cost?!

Love you Americans. I'm sorry, we're assholes when it comes to nationalism sometimes, but its just going to be difficult for a few years for us.

sdesol

> I'm sorry, we're assholes when it comes to nationalism sometimes

Please speak for yourself, as a fellow Canadian. This is not about nationalism, but rather about not giving into a bully. If we start begging for mercy now, things will just get worst. And no, most Canadians do not fear the US invading, as many believe a civil war in the US will happen before that. We also have the luxury of having goodwill among many around the world, so selling our goods will not be an issue but we will obviously have to lower our margins to overcome geographical barriers.

I just want to make it clear for any readers here that GypskyKing716 is not the voice for all Canadians, and his voice is his own, like mine is.

Karsone

Canada is a top 10 country by GDP, I think they'll be fine.

GypsyKing716

Ya, but we rely on so much from Sask to Montreal on border money.