How do you process the news?
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·March 6, 2025mrangle
tvbv
What would be the most efficient way of creating a long term theory for a newcomer and where should they start ? Global systemic issues ? Local/State level issues ?
How did you personally created your world model ?
fsargent
The economist is a good start. Read monthly or weekly periodicals.
xboxnolifes
In theory, you could start from any thought. However you may think the world works or is heading toward, you re-evaluate it every once in a while and change it if it isn't looking true. You will eventually get to a more nuanced, hopefully more well informed, view.
somenameforme
Another fun thing to do, along a similar train of thought, is to use something like the internet archive [1] to go look at your news site of choice, a year or two back, and see how their attention-grabbing predictions and declarations played out.
In general, they won't. And this newfound knowledge can then be carried forward when reading the attention-grabbing predictions and declarations of today. It's basically a more generalized version of the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect.
[1] - https://web.archive.org/
ForOldHack
Oh that is brilliant. Such n suck will get arrested soon...( Read in a donald voice)
jfengel
That is the goal of continuous news. But one can easily sidestep that with a newspaper or weekly news magazine.
Which is more than sufficiently often. With extremely rare exceptions you never need more current news than that.
There are still plenty of ways to go wrong with that. But there is no value in getting news 24/7, and you can assume that such news is there to entertain rather than inform.
keiferski
I tried this and spent $300 on an annual subscription to a daily paper newsletter. It didn't work – the news cycle still happens and biases still exist, which both lead to the kind of cycle the GP is talking about.
I think you do need a media organization to have less of a viewpoint (aka, bias) and more long-term predictions on the future. Unfortunately the closest approximation to this seems to be random Substackers, as even prestige entities like The Economist or The Financial Times are largely bias/worldview-driven.
jfengel
Getting out of the need for continuous news is a necessary but not sufficient step. As is putting up barriers to keep out the news drone just from what you overhear.
After that you at least have sufficient breathing room to at least attempt to make your own predictions.
jebarker
I like the idea of this approach. But how do you form a theory for what is going on in the US, for example, right now where it seems to be unpredictably chaotic? Although I suppose that's a theory too.
soulofmischief
The problem with ignoring the wealth of deeply tragic events occurring all over the world right now is that the source of many of them predicates our neoliberal-sanctioned way of life, with all of our excesses, a way of life of which we somehow feel deserving... Despite actively seeking ignorance of the destruction and oppression which provides our fancy little laptops and running shoes. Despite the refusal of most of us to meaningfully civically participate in a system which we have a moral duty to correct, even if it benefits us to leave it alone.
A world theory is nice to have, but unless someone is engaging with this sociopolitical landscape and at least attempting to rectify the wrongs that fuel their lifestyles, it comes off as incredibly privileged for someone to be able to just turn off the sad news while the rest of the world has to live it.
ForOldHack
Exactly.
47282847
I struggled my whole life with “high empathy/hypersensitivity“ and what helped to fundamentally shift my experience of life and especially news is body-centered trauma therapy and learning how to establish and keep inner boundaries between me and the world around me (without needing to isolate from it).
To give one possible but specific recommendation if you don’t want to try regular therapy again would be to do a basic multi-weekend training in Focusing, in a group setting.
Personally and collectively, I see it as an exercise in how to process and integrate feelings of grief/loss, anger, overwhelm, helplessness and powerlessness, amongst others, and still live a happy life.
rchaud
I decided to go "founder mode" on my news-consuming experience. The "founder" here being Tim-Berners Lee, whose vision was for an internet of dumb pipes where the view layer was controlled by the end-user.
News sites have trashed their user experience in search of ad revenue and clicks. But many have RSS feeds, so I created a PHP web page running on localhost that pulls in RSS feeds from news websites.
I have only got it to list the stories with hyperlinks so far, not the full content. I then disable images on the sites I'm pulling feeds from with UBO, so when I click on something on my PHP page, it remains a text-only experience.
I've realized that images on most news stories are utterly useless. They are usually stock images, and not original up to date pictures taken for the story. And considering that newspapers for the past decade have chosen to splash one guy's scowling face in the headlines day after day, I've decided I don't need that. Text-only for me.
theoreticalmal
What is the advertisement intrusion like with this setup? Do you still see some version of those godforsaken banner ads?
rchaud
I use Ublock Origin (an ad-blocking extension) to hide images. So ads are always hidden to begin with.
GMoromisato
I'm hugely sympathetic to this, but at the same time, I want to say, "snap out of it!"
We shouldn't take on the burden of things we cannot control. I think telling kids that they can change the world is mentally damaging. They could easily come to believe that if the world sucks, then it's their fault for not trying hard enough.
As for how to actually process the news, I remember a scene from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: The Total Perspective Vortex is a torture device that shows your true place in a vast, uncaring universe. You are revealed to be an insignificant spec on an insignificant dot, thus demoralizing you. But when Zaphod Beeblebrox steps into it, he come out unscathed. "How?" ask the torturers. He replies, "I'm Zaphod Beeblebrox!"
I'm a Gen X'er. We lived through the end of the Cold War, when we expected 30 minutes to say goodbye after WWIII started. We lived through the AIDS pandemic, which made every sexual encounter (rare or not) a life-or-death decision. And we were at the tip of the spear of the technological revolution that is still changing the world today.
As a generation, we are cynical optimists. We believe people are idiots and the world sucks and it's probably only going to get worse, but...yeah...things will work out for us personally.
twright0
> He replies, "I'm Zaphod Beeblebrox!"
This only happens because he was inside a computer simulation of the universe created just for him, so the Vortex shows him he actually is important. Had it happened for real it would have destroyed his mind just like everyone else.
GMoromisato
My memory comes from the radio adaptation, in which Zaphod survives because he’s delusionally egotistical.
galfarragem
Nowadays, I mostly consume news via HN - and much less than I used to. When I come across something relevant - which rarely happens - I post it to my aggregator[0] where I try to make sense of the news. It’s like a draft of contemporary History.
genewitch
Since the article explains how they "process" the news, i'll anecdote for a moment.
Prior to 2001, i watched maybe 15 minutes of news a day, like while making lunch, or just KNX 1070 in the car. September 11th, i began watching 2+ screens of news, recording it, analyzing it. This went on until at least 2002.
Something "snapped" and i got rid of my TV. a few years later, i still had no TV, no cable, etc. I just didn't "watch" news. Professor Naji Dahi said i was the first person in his class to ever answer "0 TVs" when he polled the class about how many screens were in their house, around 2004-2005.
I still don't have a "TV". And 50% of my news is "social media", and the other 50% of "real news" comes from a news analysis podcast that i won't evangelize. I've linked to archival news clips hosted by the showrunners, here, though. THe podcast is ~5 hours a week, and i spend about 5 hours actually researching and analyzing news i see on social media, usually so i have an understanding if someone mentions the news story later in the week (or whatever).
The news stresses me out. It makes me angry - but approaching it from an analysis standpoint makes it less so. It makes it funny in a "tragedy" sort of way.
Just as an example, i look outside every day and it's the exact same. regardless of what the news says is going on. This might not hold true for everyone.
I don't have some deep philosophical wisdom to share, here. No matter what you ingest and process, if you talk about it in public, someone will disagree with you.
ForOldHack
I skim, and I skim quickly. I completely ignore entertainamy,and have learned to avoid empty stories, and ... Literally bot-shit. I had to take over a mailbox from an employee who almost never used it. 30k of emails. I started at 1~200 a day, and soon reached 1000+ and kept up with the current stream. Completed the whole task before my probationary review.
The trick always is...
ForOldHack
The tone of the title, and the sender. "I f**ed and you are forced to cover me?" Ohhhh. And whining... I can smell that for ever. Not my job ... Bin it. Cicurlar file, tl;Dr.
FergusArgyll
My wish for a better news ecosystem would be this:
At the bottom of every story should be - at least one but preferably a few - exact quantitative predictions based on the story.
So, for example, after a dramatic story about a pending government shutdown it should say:
- over 100 children will die due to loss of funding to lunch programs (if shutdown occurs %78
- Government will be shut down for > 2 weeks %63
- > 10,000 gov employees lose a month of pay %54
And then if the predictions don't pan out it'll be obvious that most of it was hyperventilating, and if they do, I'll know to take seriously their warnings about the world coming to an end.
Another plus is; I think while the writer is choosing probabilities, he/she will realize he/she might have oversold the story, and will go back and rewrite it
johnea
My preference would be the opposite of this: I'd like to see news report factual information on events that have actually ocurred.
Prediction is not news, it's a guess. A guess is fictional, not factual.
I'd prefer factual news...
mdp2021
Hundreds of RSS sources. Multiple purposes; together with pluralistic perspective and search for lesser known goods, you must consider:
-- the most important pieces of news may be hidden in thousands of instances of noise;
-- you have to have the ability to identify the best commentators, in order to follow them (and the search is continuous also because even the topmost are not perfect).
irchans
Mostly I read Slashdot, HN, and the Wall Street Journal. I read the Economist when I feel like paying for it (sometimes I get a deal like $50 for the digital version for a year). I did Ground News for a year.
sklargh
One, I'd like to note that Alex has an exceptional component of his site dedicated to older-edition-style tabletop roleplaying and it's well worth checking out if you're interested.
Two, given a choice between the front page of the New York Times and a PDF or expert blog post - I typically select the latter - or read about my town and local jurisdiction. I keep Bloomberg and the AP around for things that are events I may need to know about quickly.
Of course this gets into the problem of filtering and knowledge gaps, I might be reading something really interesting about natural gas but I have no idea if the person is a crank or not because of my lack of domain knowledge - so I've got to cautiously work the bubble perimeter every time.
intrasight
I strive to only read news that I pay for and I think that info gaps are a risk worth taking to maintain my mental health.
I only subscribe to weeklies. I no longer see much value in daily news.
qrobit
Genuine question: do you consider Hacker News news? Because I believe answer is yes (judging by the name). Maybe it would be good idea to once a week open some site that aggregates top HN posts of the week and treat it like weekly newsletter
I guess every blog infrequently emitting posts can count as weekly news too, you don't even need to aggregate anything. RSS definitely helps to keep everything in one place though
iFire
Every time I operate on urgent news I get burnt, so any sort of world changing news can handle a nights rest before responding. Things that are published on paper have a higher priority on my Apple News process.
Media's aim is to keep people emotionally hooked on short term directional adjustments in political trajectory, including the presented minutia of the events that seem to determine it.
The only way to consume news, without subjecting oneself to the inner turmoil that the news is designed to produce, is to develop a long term theory and then just check in with the headlines to make sure that things are progressing toward it.
If they don't seem to be, adjust the theory and then keep-on with the aforementioned method.
Sure, some people emotionally need to be apprised of the tragedy of every story. They may even convince themselves that the World's trajectory hangs on the balance of every event. I'd suggest that this is both irrational and hints at addiction behavior. But if this isn't you, or you want to become less addicted, then give the above method a try.
After awhile, you'll begin to admire the efficiency of and relative inner-peace from your new hard-won detachment skill.