Apple introduces iPad Air with powerful M3 chip and new Magic Keyboard
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·March 4, 2025post_break
steveBK123
Give me a MB with LTE and I can finally stop buying®retting iPads.
Maybe Apple moving into the modem space will get us there but it does feel like some sort of purposeful market segmentation
couchdb_ouchdb
Just tether to your phone
sslbits
Whenever someone expresses a desire for Apple to produce a macbook with a 5G or LTE modem, someone always responds with "tether to your phone" or "use a hotspot" and I don't find these comments particularly useful.
Hotspot/tethered data is a separate pool from general mobile data. Once you've consumed the guaranteed "high" speeds (60GB on AT&T's current Unlimited Premium Plan), all hotspot speeds are then hard capped at 128Kbps. AFAIK you can't even purchase additional data at these speeds if you wanted to. Mobile data on an iPhone or iPad won't have that hard cap. Although in the past, once the guaranteed 5G speeds were consumed, your mobile data speed was simply deprioritized but could still achieve 5G speeds based on current network conditions/congestion.
There are scenarios where a notebook would need this much data and speed and there are Windows notebooks available for this purpose. The "just tether your phone" cohort either hasn't considered this or simply dismisses it because they may have not experienced this limitation personally. I suppose that Apple doesn't see the demand for a macbook with a mobile modem or otherwise doesn't see the need to make this option available.
edude03
I want apple's version of connected standby - I want to open my laptop and all my notifications, emails, chats, photos whatever to have already been downloaded while the laptop was idle in my bag.
torginus
TIL if you plug your iphone into your mac, it will automatically switch to mobile data, if you have hotspot on, even if you have wifi. Wasn't exactly delighted to find out.
steveBK123
yes ive done it just more finicky annoyance
why segment iPad vs Mac this way
jibe
Or a 12” MacBook - Apple is missing both 11” and 12” options.
Or let us run Mac apps on the darn iPad.
cosmic_cheese
Overall I think the form factor of the 12” MacBook was superior to that of the 11” Air. Similar footprint, but better aspect ratio and much better pixel density.
An M-series 12” would be amazing. Or heck, with how powerful A-series SoCs are these days, even one of those would likely be sufficient and yet far more efficient and powerful than those awful Intel CPUs the original 12” was saddled with.
alabastervlog
> Or let us run Mac apps on the darn iPad.
Pretty sure it would kill battery life, and play very poorly with their suspend-wake functionality.
robotresearcher
M-series Macs suspend and wake very, very quickly.
xnx
While they're at it, bring back the 17" Macbook
junga
I „found“ a MacBook 12“ Retina from 2015 at home a few weeks ago. Size wise that's the sweet spot for me. Would totally buy such a device running on Apple silicon. In the end I sold it for 50 Euro after tinkering with Pop!_OS and ultimately realizing that the processor is way too slow for Java development nowadays.
bflesch
They make more money from selling you all the add-on dongles
geodel
That sounds sweet ride.
torginus
I spend all my time either with my laptop docked in the office, or at home, but I sometimes I need to bring my device with me. Such a laptop would be perfect for me.
shepherdjerred
I would love an 11" MacBook. The new chips are perfect for that form factor given they're so powerful & light on battery.
notesinthefield
Were it not for constantly updated buying guides from tech news sites, Im not sure anyone even Apple employees themselves would know which iPad to recommend to anyone.
ustad
Studies have shown that when companies present an overwhelming number of choices, consumers often end up spending more. The psychology behind this is rooted in decision fatigue, where consumers are more likely to choose something familiar or assume that a more expensive product is the best choice.
jmann99999
I have always heard of different conclusions from too many choices. It was from a study known as the "Jam Experiment." [0] They found that in a grocery store that if customers had six choices, they bought more jam than if there were 14 choices.
They termed it decision paralysis.
[0] https://scottfenstermaker.com/too-much-choice-the-jam-experi...
PaulDavisThe1st
The version I'm familiar with was more about driving consumers to a middle-priced version by adding a more expensive version.
Offer version A at $10, and version B at $50, most people pick A.
Offer version A at $10, version B at $50, and version C at $25, most people pick C.
torginus
Personally, when presented with too many choices, I always feel like some of the choices are the wrong ones - perhaps the cheap ones are garbage, or quite oppositely, you're paying an extra for nothing - and I'm afraid of being a fool for picking them.
No matter how it goes, it's always a negative experience for me.
rqtwteye
Interesting. A while ago I looked at laptops and when I looked at Dell and Lenovo I couldn't figure out how to choose between all the models (dozens or probably hundreds). Ended up with a Framework laptop.
mattgreenrocks
Ah, psychology.
Pretty sure that worked on me. I waited for the iPhone SE 4 (now called the 16E), then when I saw the feature set for the price, just went for the vanilla 16. This was while I was knowing exactly how the 16E was acting as a price anchor to move me to the next tier.
james_marks
For a long time, Apple’s line up included an under powered option that’s too cheap to run well, an over-powered over-priced option with features most people don’t need, and a Goldilocks version.
Yes, the expensive version anchors the price higher, but it always felt like a gift, in that they had picked the middle version that balanced performance and price already.
rchaud
This might apply to perishable consumer goods like soap and shampoo, which are cheap and have perfect substitutes. I don't think it would apply to expensive durable goods where more time and research goes into the purchase decision, and there are no perfect substitutes.
darkhorse222
Do not be addicted to metrics. Steve Jobs would tell you that while you might help profits in the short term, you're undermining the long term product experience. Don't sound like an executive whose compensation is tied to profit metrics. That is not the only form of success just because it's the most measurable. Measurability does not necessarily equate to most impact.
alberth
Isn't it just a "price laddering" strategy.
Where you make the prices of a maxed out lower tier product be more expensive than a barebones higher tier, so it incentives you to "ladder up" your product choice.
Best explained by MKBHD
solardev
I think I'm just going to fatigue myself back to my old Android phone and ancient iPad (of some sort) from the last decade...
clovoak
"Studies" like what?
'The paradox of choice' says the exact opposite. When presented with more jams to sample, more groceries shoppers stopped to try, but less actually bought. Reducing decisions is conversion 101.
bsimpson
Reminds me of when Steve cut all the numerical suffixes from the product line and drew the grid:
home work
portable iBook | PowerBook
-----------------
desktop iMac | PowerMac
scarface_74
And in 2010 before Jobs passed there was already the MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro for laptops
And for desktops, the Mac Mini, iMac and MacPro.
For phones, Apple was selling the 3G, 3GS, and iPhone 4.
For iPods, they were selling the Shuffle, Nano, regular iPod and the iPod Touch.
So selling three regular iPads and the Mini is nothing different now.
ProfessorLayton
All the products except maybe the 3G/3GS are clearly differentiated. What is new is having several iPads that are nearly indistinguishable from each other without Apple's comparison tool.
moolcool
I don't really see the value proposition for the iPad Pro. It's got powerful hardware, but I can't imagine myself doing any heavy work on a tablet.
criddell
People write comments like this often and I'm always wondering if they are just expressing that the device isn't for them or they don't think the device is for anybody.
There are so many devices out there that you can probably find the perfect thing for you. For some of us, the iPad Pro is a great choice.
bombcar
Most of the people I see making the comments are round-about asking "what can I use to justify getting this, I want one."
I still feel that way about iPads in general, I keep wanting (and even buying) them, but never really do anything with them that I can't do with my phone.
rkhassen9
@cridell - I think people write comments like this because, like me, they are trying to envision using the device as a replacement for the laptop...or as an additional augment and come up short. I know I do.
And for all that hardware it is disappointing that there are so many things it cannot do that you can do on MacOS and its really hard to envision what you can do.
My last ipad which admittedly was a v1 gathered dust. I really want a pro for whiteboarding...but gosh, its a lot to spend on a whiteboard....someone help me justify it as a PM.
Hamuko
OLED display.
There's also people who work in Procreate with a million layers and need all the horsepower and RAM they can get.
ryandrake
I guess OP's question is: If you need a million layers, and gigantic amounts of CPU and RAM, why aren't you working on a desktop workstation? I also had a hard time believing there's a real niche that tablets fill, but hey, they've been with us for years, so clearly somebody's buying them.
DrScientist
I think it's probably aimed at people using them to create digital art.
Sammi
100%. It's a powerhouse for drawing.
notesinthefield
The iPad and Surface are *everywhere* in education and healthcare. Just yesterday I donated blood on a mobile health unit entirely ran on iPads and verizon hotspots. Every k-12 and some high ed sysadmins can tell you about having to manage iPads and JAMF at some point.
dzhiurgis
It is much nicer tho than generic one. Hard to explain how.
wlesieutre
Great for artists, mostly useless for developers
pseudocomposer
Well, Apple employees can’t work remotely :) But if you do, and you like working outside your house, the cheapest 10+-inch M-series model you can get is the answer. With Sidecar, it’s at minimum a wireless external display everywhere you go.
At this new model’s cost, it’s hard to recommend. But it does make last year’s M2 models (and older M1 models) more sensible for this purpose.
fckgw
It's not that complicated, there's basically 3 iPads. iPad, iPad Air, iPad Pro. Good, Better and Best. The Mini is a niche product that you buy if you need a smaller iPad.
The famous "four quadrant" product matrix expanded to "Good, Better, Best" across most their product line towards the ends of Job's era. Airpods/Pro/Max. Apple Watch SE/10/Ultra. iPhone 16e/16/Pro (with some size variations).
I keep seeing people saying it's complicated but it's really not.
philistine
Even during the Jobs era there was a good/better/best inside of there. The first iMac had good/better/best configs. It's just that Apple became so big that the best sometimes became a completely different machine, with its own good/better/best!
unsigner
if( price sensitive ) return iPad; else if( know what you're doing and you know it needs a Pro ) return iPad Pro; else // I guess I'll be browsing and watching movies?? return iPad Air;
criddell
The most annoying thing for me about the iPad lineup is that Apple hasn't released an iPad compatible version of their Journal app. IMHO, it's the perfect device for Journal. I want to write by hand and doodle and do all the other things you do in a paper journal.
There's some reason they haven't done this and I'd love to know what it is. IMHO, it should have been iPad-first and then ported to the phone later.
cosmic_cheese
I’ve been waiting for a Mac version. Why on earth would I type anything of any length on a phone when my favorite docked laptop setup is an option?
DHPersonal
It feels funny having to connect a keyboard and mouse to the iPhone or run the iPhone through the Mirroring Tool on a MacBook to properly write in the Journal app.
benhurmarcel
It’s just that such a small startup don’t have the funds and resources to work on 2 CRUD apps at the same time.
layer8
My guess is that not many people are using it on the iPhone (of which Apple is selling five times as many as iPads, hence they started with that), so they extrapolated that an iPad version isn’t worth it.
Or maybe it’s just general Apple dysfunction. It took them 14 years to port the Calculator app after all.
Ajay-p
I love my iPad because of the pencil. I got rid of an office overflowing with paper, and I write everything in an app on the iPad. It then gets saved up into the cloud. That alone has made iPad worth it for me. Sometimes I watch movies on it.
antomeie
iPad is a product I want to love, but still never find a reason to use.
nkrisc
For me the iPad has become one of my favorite ways to use applications like ZBrush, Procreate/Clip Studio, Photoshop/Affinity products.
Now I just need to find good texturing and basic modeling applications I can use on the iPad and I could do a lot more from the comfort of my couch or even outside in the spring.
ZBrush especially on the iPad is an impressive feat and is almost a 1:1 port. I don’t have years and years of ZBrush experience so I actually much prefer the iPad ZBrush GUI to the traditional one.
edit: Shoutout to Paperlike screen covers.
1123581321
The iPad got good for me when I deleted everything but reading and designing/art apps and turned off notifications.
It doesn’t come close to doing all of my computing but it helps me immerse in areas I struggle with on a laptop or desktop.
I realize I’m blessed to be able to split my computing across multiple nice devices.
op00to
Notifications show up only on my phone, nothing on the tablet and very few (messaging mostly) on my laptop.
mp05
This is a meme comment by now.
I've been using an iPad Air (with Paperlike) for the past 4 years for basically running my life at school, and I can't imagine going back to working with actual paper for daily note-taking and homework assignments. It's great for reading whitepapers and marking them up while laying on the couch.
That functionality by itself justifies its existence in my estimation.
antomeie
Sounds like you have a great use case. I can see how it would have been useful for me as well back when I was at university. Unfortunately, I rarely do any writing on paper any more, although I probably should.
benterix
For the same reason I bought the cheapest 10" Android tablet with external memory slot. I don't know what it's like now, but in the past Apple tried very hard to offer entry level models cheap, but for anything usable in terms of storage you had to pay a big premium.
mp05
The base is now 64gb which should be plenty for any student. If not, iCloud is very affordable.
coffeefirst
My main use is cooking. I keep the recipes in Obsidian, can enable timers hands free, and because it's a big slate of glass its easy to wipe down when it inevitably gets pasta dough on it.
jsheard
It could be a great do-everything machine if they let you run macOS on it, but of course they don't want to sell one machine that does everything, they want to sell you an iPad and a MacBook even though they are basically the same hardware plus or minus an integrated keyboard.
selykg
I want that experience I seen on some other device at some point... Palm? I forget now.
In tablet mode, iPad OS. Touch being the primary operation. Basically just as we see it now.
In a pseudo desktop mode, macOS, where you get the power of a laptop in a smaller form factor. You can optionally try to use this in touch mode in a pinch but it's not necessarily designed for it.
The win would be seamless switching. Including apps... if I have photoshop open on iPad, dock, convert to Photoshop for Mac. I.e. you "dock" your iPad and it converts to a more Mac-like experience. Undock, you get the iPad experience.
To me, this would be ideal. I don't generally _need_ a laptop for personal use, so this would be a serious boon for me as I use my iPad all the time in the evening for simple consumption, but I also have a MacBook over here that gets used a few times a week, which is a costly device for how little it gets used.
rtkwe
There was the Motorola Atrix that had a dual mode system where you could plug the phone into a keyboard, larger battery, and big screen in a mostly laptop form factor. Never used it myself though because the keyboard module was expensive for at the time.
yencabulator
ChromeOS tablets behave like this. Connect a keyboard and the UI switches to desktop mode.
ufmace
You can kind of get that now with the 360-degree rotation laptops, which are available with Windows or Chrome OS. I haven't used a Windows one, but Chrome OS behaves pretty nicely as a tablet.
The trouble though is, once you get an acceptable laptop keyboard and a corresponding screen, the resulting device seems excessively heavy and bulky when flipped over into the tablet form factor. You probably won't want to hold it up for more than 10 minutes.
I like the idea of one all-in-one device, but it's hard to see a way around these things. The cheesy tiny portable "keyboards" they make for tablets are pretty lame for extended typing, but better keyboards are too heavy for tablets. Meanwhile, I expect a desktop device to have the compute horsepower and RAM that are tough to get in a proper tablet form factor.
xmichael909
Yah, got a m4 ipad with a keyboard addon ... it just doesn't work, its not a computer.
Tagbert
I don't use one for work but I use my iPad Pro with keyboard more than I use my personal laptop for personal use. Web browsing, social media, communications, viewing and editing photos, shopping, planning trips, taking notes, and watching videos.
It is a computer, just a little different.
wslh
I had the same thought and bought it with the Magic Keyboard. I was surprised to find that the iPad Air with the keyboard weighs about the same as a MacBook Air. Now, I mainly use it as an extra display when traveling and for note-taking. The usage as a separate device is minimal since a lot of uses has intersections with a mobile phone.
xyst
Same. Maybe if I had drawing talent, it would be useful.
I have tried to incorporate it into my daily workflow (maybe use it to help with diagramming), but it ends up collecting dust. Or used to watch films in bed.
Using it as a glorified Kindle also doesn’t work well.
FredPret
Book recommendation: Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain.
Skip the neuro-"science" chapters and do the drawing exercises only. It really works!
acc_297
I had been hoping that apple would one day produce an M-series chip powered version of the 12 inch retina macbook air. They discontinued those in 2017 and I have one of the last ones that were sold but the battery is very dead and it has stability issues now. I may consider this product if the keyboard is solid and the screen doesn't shake when typing.
tosh
I also hope for a new take on an ultraportable Macbook w/ less than 1000g
the 12" Macbook was special
walthamstow
I still think about my friend's netbook he had in secondary school in about 2006
Went down a rabbit hole recently looking at some Chinese ones by Chuwi, nearly pulled the trigger too
jauntywundrkind
I bought one of their first portable systems, the Chuwi Lapbopk 12.3.
Amazing system. A really nice IPS 2736 x 1824 display was the star of the show, straight off one of the Microsoft Surface laptops of the day. Pretty whatever CPU, 6gb ram, and tiny 64GB eMMC storage (expandable with m2242 sata), but it ran Debian quite well & had very solid battery life. Very solid robust metal case.
Price felt amazing. $400 in 2017 for a top tier display.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Chuwi-LapBook-12-3-Celeron-2K-...
mattpavelle
I have the Chuwi Minibook X. I bought it because it fits on an airplane tray table and I can do real work on it (since it runs Windows 11). I flew a lot last fall and my iPad simply didn't work with Github and Notion - mobile Safari just didn't cut it (multitasking killed everything due to page reloads on iOS).
Running Firefox on the Minibook X works ... it's not great, but it works.
That said, I would pay top dollar for an 11" MacBook Air for sure.
diab0lic
My team bought one of those for our on-call to carry around. I never wanted to let it go at the end of my on-call shift.
eknkc
I owned multiple iPads and never found a compelling use case for them. I don't know why I keep buying them but they have been great computers for my parents so it's not like I buy to shelf them.
Are there any use cases (apart from drawing maybe. I can't draw a stick figure if my life depended on it so that's not for me) for developers?
op00to
I see my colleagues using iPads at work when on Zoom calls as a whiteboard. It's pretty cool when done effectively. I'd like to practice that skill.
I bring my iPad to the coffee shop and leave my laptop at home when all I want to do is send emails and read. I don't think I could do "heavy" work on it, but it's great for quick stuff. The fact that it has 5g means I don't mess around with finding wifi. I wouldn't pay extra for the 5g (tethering works perfectly), but I got a few free unlimited data lines back when various US cell companies were fighting to churn customers.
keybits
I really started to enjoy my iPad Pro M1 messing around making music.
There are hundreds of fantastic apps out there from mixers, sequencers to excellent synthesizers, effects and samplers. For an idea of what this can look like, here's a video: https://youtu.be/ft8erjlzg4A?si=lCg77DZAUYNa1SEf
Add a midi controller and you can make pretty much any kind of music you want.
A great benefit over mac / pc computer based music making is that the apps are very affordable.
wishfish
My iPad Mini is my primary travel computer. Fits (barely) in most of my front pockets. But the screen is big enough that I feel comfortable. Keep a bluetooth keyboard with an attachment slot in my bag. The slot holds the tablet firmly enough that I can use it as a laptop when wanted.
For my needs it's mostly perfect. Can have it with me at all times without requiring a bag. Much more portable than an actual laptop while the screen is more comfortable in size/ratio than the usual 6.8 inch phones.
iPadOS isn't my favorite but the form factor makes up for it.
alabastervlog
They're a computer for things that your laptop sucks at. Draw directly on them, use them for reading, carry them to work sites and use them in situations where a laptop would be super-awkward, put them on sheet music stands, prop them up in the kitchen, hold them up and use their tilt sensors in games, all that kind of stuff.
They're basically never better than a laptop at things laptops are good at (though often serviceable enough that folks don't need both) but excel at other use cases where laptops aren't great.
joshvm
Form factor, amazing. Long ago I had a mini and the new 7th gen is really nice to carry around. However I found the pen functionality to be frustrating. The Pencil Pro, when it works, is great. But I had issues with lagging input on some apps, the well-known screen heating problem (within minutes), lack of a good journaling solution, etc. It's annoying to have to go through 3-4 third party apps to do something that Apple should have released alongside the device, especially when most of them need subscriptions for nebulous benefits like cloud sync (I already pay for iCloud backup, so why?). FreeForm is OK, but isn't great for structured note-taking. There are enough of these niggling problems that I returned mine within the 14-day cool off period to do some more research.
I'd consider getting a used model when the prices have dropped a bit, but full-price for something that feels a little half-baked is tough. Especially because the hardware otherwise feels exceptional.
I'm looking at the Surface Pro, which does basically the same thing and also has conveniences like USB ports for peripherals. Or try out the iPad Pro, but that's getting into "BIG" territory.
scruple
> They're basically never better than a laptop at things laptops are good at (though often serviceable enough that folks don't need both)
I'm experimenting with replacing my personal laptop with an iPad Pro this year. I'm not a professional content creator, photo or video editor, etc. So far it's been great. I write a lot, creative writing, journaling, and lots of note taking. It's been wonderful for all of these tasks and it basically goes with me everywhere.
thiht
iPads are useless for developers. When working I just use mine as a 3rd monitor for Slack, Notion, Linear, Grafana, or whatever I want to keep an eye on.
iPads are amazing for other things though:
- they're the best platform to read comics or mangas
- they're great to learn/play piano with dynamic sheets
- they're great for games (Balatro on iPad is top tier), and basically anything where tactile is good as an input control (GarageBand is nice to use on iPad)
- they're great for travel
You can do many things with an iPad, developing is not one of them.
kasey_junk
I use an iPad for all of my personal development work (except futzing with fpga).
Plugged into my keyboard & monitor I can use one of several “codespaces” solutions and if I’m traveling it’s a better screen than a phone.
I can’t use it for work admittedly but that’s mostly about corporate control of my device, not capability.
wlesieutre
You can also use it as an extra display for a Mac
alistairSH
My M1 iPad Pro works well for photo editing (using Photomator, now acquired by Apple).
That, and the normal consumption stuff - web, streaming TV/movies, magazines, news, etc.
Never bothered trying to build software with it - that's why I own a MBP.
shepherdjerred
I do the exact same thing. I buy an iPad because it seems cool, use it for a bit, forget about it, sell it/give it away, repeat two years later.
I love the idea of an iPad, but they just don't really fit into my life I guess.
DHPersonal
My biggest use case was as a recipe manager: I used the app Mela and placed the iPad in the kitchen, giving me a touchscreen with water resistance that would give me step-by-step instructions on cooking the family meal.
choxi
I’ll know Apple is really in trouble when people stop complaining about each new product announcement
mbreese
People complain because they care...
You're absolutely right, when people stop caring -- that's when Apple should be concerned.
Tagbert
Are you new to this space? Complaining about product announcements, especially Apple's, is a game with many players and has been for decades.
jl6
Perhaps OP is referring to the idea that products are killed by apathy, not by hate. People who take the time to complain about something still want the thing, they just want it to be better. People who have stopped caring are lost.
simonsquiff
Is it still a 60hz screen? If so, pass. I’ve got an old gen 1 pro, which has 120hz and can’t go back to 60hz - it’s even more needed in an iPad than a phone. All the other Pro features are not worth it for me, and really this mid tier should have 120hz. I’ll hold on to my current iPad until that’s that case (I can’t justify paying the high price for a new pro)
EtienneK
Agreed. This was also the first thing I searched for when clicking on the article. 60Hz screens should not be a thing in 2025.
op00to
I must be very lucky - I have 60hz monitors on my desk, and a 120hz iPad Pro, and I don't really notice a difference!
ldargin
IKR
antithesis-nl
> iPad Air is built for Apple Intelligence, the personal intelligence system that delivers helpful and relevant intelligence
OK, so the predominant opinion of HN seems to be that Apple is really good at marketing. So, which target group are they, brilliantly of course, addressing with this repetitive word salad?
bombcar
People who need intelligence, obviously.
Wow they really reused that word three times in once sentence. Ouch.
jandrewrogers
It is ironic that the M3 Air is heavier than the M4 Pro even though they are essentially identical in size.
kadushka
And thicker
yalogin
How often do people upgrade airpads? I am not even sure who the target audience for them is anymore. Most people are comfortable with their phones and if it cannot be done on a phone, most people go to a desktop/laptop.
dijit
They still age out, my mum has had excellent success with iPads, after somehow killing a litany of laptops.
Shes a consumer through-and-through, and an iPad is great for that- and occasionally calling people.
Unfortunately she’s had her current iPad for about 8 years, so it has aged out of security updates- so I am looking to upgrade her. Battery still holds charge though, at least enough that she doesn't complain.
Tagbert
I find the phone to be too cramped and when I'm at home, I do most of my computing on an iPad.
rahimnathwani
iPads are great for my son (8yo) and my parents (80s).
layer8
Apple sells roughly double the number of iPads vs. MacBooks, so there’s that.
I just want an 11" Macbook air again. Even with the M2 it would fly. iPads with this horsepower just don't make sense. It's like a V8 Miata with 4 donuts for tires.