PostmarketOS in 2025-02: MSM89x7 Audio, Modern Xiaomis in Community, New Name
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·March 4, 2025palata
homebrewer
I don't like renaming things as much as the next guy, but they're targeting an international audience. Ask a Chinese/Japanese/Arabic/whatever speaker if it's easy to pronounce (it is for me, but that's because I speak relatively passable English; judging from past experience, my friends would certainly find this name unpronounceable).
palata
I understand, and it happens to me that some project names are difficult to pronounce. Doesn't mean they are difficult to write or remember, though.
I still don't believe that it is a reason to change it and deal with the confusion that comes from that change.
codetrotter
> Third-party documentation/blog posts will not get updated, ever.
OTOH that could also be an advantage. For at least a year or so after they change the name, all info you can find about how to do something with it when you search with the new name is likely to be current. Instead of 7 year old guides that are completely out of date and don’t work with current versions.
palata
To see it as an advantage, you have to be sure that your community is active enough to write complete documentation with the new name.
It looks pretty bad when you look for documentation and people have to tell you to search for documentation with a different project name, because the name was changed.
For instance, whenever you want to do something with MapLibre, you have to think whether you should look at the Mapbox documentation or not. Many times it's confusing. But it is explained by the fact that there was an actual need for a fork, and hence a new name.
worble
Yeah, they could promote pmos (or maybe something like postos) to more prominently feature as a primary keyword, but in today's age of minimalism where it feels like every project is a single syllable word clashing with 100 others like it, I love a name that actually just says what it is on the tin.
rglullis
/e/ has changed to Murena, no?
mnmalst
No, the company selling smartphones with /e/OS is called Murena. https://murena.com/faq/
yndoendo
I recently switched to them as a step to help de-Google. Will not go back to standard Android and push for /e/OS at the moment. I don't mind the extra weight and size between the Fairphone 4 and Pixle 5a.
Waiting on a purchase from Furi Lab to see if I can move even further away.
Issue with most phone hardware with Linux is that they are all past products that don't have G5 support. Looks like all the push for Linux phones is coming from the EU and stale and stagnate in the USA, hardware wise.
no_oneimportant
dont know if some postmarketos dev will read this
if you want my opinion;
im not in favour of name change, but its your project. usually brands change names when they are not doing so good. Are you not succesfull?
PostmarketOS name is distict, it shows you could care less about some mainstream naming trends and you focus on quality and thats what you build on, not some name
the way you ask people for change of name is also stupid, it should be done by discussion with people on forum, not like this (a formular)
but as i said its your project, and its your business
no_oneimportant
takes this as a grain of salt; just my opinion
kokada
Does anyone know if postmarketOS has a stable (or stable-ish?) port for a modern-ish tablet that supports monitor output and has a good keyboard via pogo-pins? It would be a great device on-the-go to replace my Chromebook Duet 3 (that I really like, but wanted something more powerful).
fossdd
Not sure which device suits your criteria the best, but feel free to take a look at the supported Laptops/Tablets: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices#Tablets_in_classi...
I heard the Xiomi Mi Pad 5 Pro had good support (https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Xiaomi_Mi_Pad_5_Pro_(xiao...), but we also support a lot of Chromebooks like your Duet 3 (https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Lenovo_IdeaPad_Duet_3_(go...) :p
kennysoona
I think my next phone will be a linux phone, and since I already run Alpine on my desktop there could be advantages to running it (or a distro based on it) on my phone. It would be an interesting project at least.
danieldevries
Any name will be better than Phosh. Most google results would return phishing attacks when searching for 'phosh linux'
kop316
These searches contradict your statement:
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=phosh&ia=web
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=phosh
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=phosh%20linux
they all return expected results.
also Phosh is a portmanteu of "Phone" and "Shell".
danieldevries
When it was cool the play around the a pinephone, it certainly was the case. Phosh remains a terrible name imo
yjftsjthsd-h
Phosh is a specific graphical environment that runs on top of PMOS; I don't see anything to suggest that renaming it is planned.
danieldevries
I meant... don't make the same mistake as Phosh.
I know what it is...
Everyone is so obsessed with proving the other wrong on this platform. It's almost as if users derive their identity from their supposed superior intellect. Sounds like what the twitter guy does all the time.
yjftsjthsd-h
Or, it's as if what you posted didn't really express what you apparently intended to say, and people responded to what you actually said instead of what you meant
palata
My go-to example for a bad name is /e/ :-). Nice project, bad name.
c0wb0yc0d3r
Can postmarketOS be used to get texts and calls on a modern desktop computer? I’m looking for something that lets me forward everything over mqtt, matrix or jitsi
zoobab
I propose Foogle as a new name.
cyp0633
I supposed "modern Xiaomi" would be something like Mi 10 or newer
homebrewer
It's in the article:
> Two devices moved from the testing category into community:
> Xiaomi POCO X3 NFC
> Xiaomi Mi 9T/Redmi K20solarkraft
I never liked the current name, so I like the change!
linwangg
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Hnin
ok
For what it's worth, I'm not convinced by the change of name.
No matter if I write "postmarket", "PostMarket" or "posTmArkeTOs", the first result I get in my search engine is postmarketOS. In terms of how hard it is to pronounce, it feels like as soon as the context is there, one can say "pmOS". Kubernetes doesn't seem particularly easy to pronounce, but it doesn't seem like it's preventing it from being successful.
As a comparison, try to Google for /e/, or eos... I think it's getting better but a couple of years ago I was just not reading the /e/ changelogs because I just couldn't find the website. This, IMHO, is a bad name; and I have been a pretty satisfied user of /e/ for years, it's not like I don't like the project. But to be very honest, if CalyxOS had supported my phone I would have switched just because of the frustration with the name.
Also with every change of name comes confusion. For a very long time some people will keep calling it "postmarketOS", some will think it's a brand new project or a fork. Third-party documentation/blog posts will not get updated, ever. It takes time and energy to change a project name. And for what? Because it's "a bit too long" and "not so easy to pronounce"? I don't think it's worth it. It would be different if the project was called muskRocksOS.