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I'm starting to suspect my work is incompatible with a full-time academic job

zusammen

I’m an aging (60s) academic and I’ve found that the old assumption of our world offering a “life of ideas” that any talented person would want is no longer true. If you’re coming in now or came in in the past 30 years, it’s liters just a job. Not necessarily a bad job, but certainly not a calling.

The tenure system is necessary for it to function, because wages are so low relative to skill level and the job market is so unreliable, but it also makes things worse because the old hands mostly don’t fight evil changes (and there have been tons of evil changes recently) of only the young will be affected.

Of course, the current state of the US government and the rising anti intellectualism don’t help.

zeroonetwothree

Presumably in the absence of tenure wages would have to increase.

borroka

Unlikely, given the 10/50 to 1 demand/supply ratio. The very top people are workaholics and true believers, so it is unlikely that the absence of the institution of tenure would affect their choices. For mid-quality people, there is an overabundance of researchers who would get that job, tenure or no-tenure, for a piece of chocolate.

p4ul

I agree, but with one amendment: most tenure-track roles in the US will have 50 to 200 applicants for a single position. Over the last few decades, tenure lines have decreased while PhD admissions have not. Adjuncts do so much of the teaching at all kinds of institutions these days.

irchans

What kind of chocolate ? :) (humor)

bowsamic

Yeah it seems to me like academia is dead in basically every sense. Not just internally as you describe but also in the culture. People just don’t value learning anymore, the romantic image is fading. And now there’s no distinction being academia and industry in the sense that even vocations need a degree now, most people have an experience of university that is far removed from traditional academia, again giving it a pure economic focus. We’ll see what happens but I do feel like the last 20 years has seen a steep decline in the cultural value of academia, and as you point out, a strong professionalising of academia

jpeloquin

> Well, obviously the part-time thing will bring a reduction in my institutional teaching and admin duties. I have to say there is uncertainty about how much relief will arise in practice

As someone who has tried something similar, institutional bureaucracy expands to fill all available time. People engaging in bureaucratic empire-building will still happily consume your personal unpaid time. And splitting attention between multiple lines of work creates some legitimate additional overhead, which doesn't help.

I'm not sure what the winning strategy is. I think it is necessary to either get out entirely or play the bureaucrats' "system-game" to some degree, but not on their terms and not fairly. When the bureaucracy demands useless work, maximize their costs and minimize yours. Many academics constitutively cannot make themselves do a lazy, poor job, but is a useful skill to deploy defensively so that you can fulfill your education and research responsibilities. Often you'll find that the bureaucracy only cares about the superficial appearance of compliance; the actual actions performed are irrelevant to them. Shift responsibility to some other part of the bureaucracy and use LLMs to generate boilerplate. If the bureaucracy never attempts to punish you in any way, that may indicate you're being more compliant than necessary. This approach is safest if your retirement plan is fully funded and you don't truly need to keep the job. It is also helpful if at some part of what you do is visibly important to someone who does have power; this helps deflect consequences when you accidentally step a over a line. Everything depends on context and execution though; I hope the part-time approach works out for you.

almosthere

This kind of thing is blowing up all over the place, see here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shFUDPqVmTg

voxl

Sabine has a chip on her shoulder about academia and simultaneously she gets the most rewarded for feeding into the anti academic narrative. That also plays well on HN where there is a cohort of people that like to pretend a PhD is useless and that PhD holders are less intelligent than themselves.

eitally

mmmm... In this case, I don't think the "having a PhD is useless" is remotely close to what Sabine is saying, which is "academic science exploration and experimentation is broken". Yes, it's PhDs and career academics as core participants in the game, but there are plenty of valid reasons to pursue a PhD and then move into industry that are no incompatible with either 1) what Sabine is saying, and 2) the PhD experience in higher ed.

layer8

The current academic system certainly has a lot of flaws, but Sabine also has an axe to grind, so one should take what she says with a few grains of salt.

barbazoo

Do you have a more specific criticism about the "chip on her shoulder" and how "gets the most rewarded for feeding into the anti academic narrative"?

voxl

The criticism is pretty specific: she has an axe to grind about string theory holding back fundamental physics and projects this onto all of science. One need only watch her videos to notice this.

Another simple observation: her rant videos receive millions of views while her others receive significantly less. It doesn't take much speculation to see that an intelligent person that genuinely believes her own rant would prefer the output that also gives the most financial rewards

dingnuts

As an academic you have a vested interest in holding that opinion and you should disclose that

RandomBacon

She is a captivating speaker, but I like to think that partical physics research is important to future technology. I want to see mankind reach beyond the stars.

drproteus

Academia is a cesspool of entitlement, corruption, and back-rubbing. It's been holding back science and logical discourse for decades now. I hope the entire university system falls to its knees.

nsagent

As a postdoc with a background in NLP, I've come to the same conclusion. I feel like I'm stagnating in academia and have decided to quit my postdoc and self fund research that I can hopefully monetize in the future.

It certainly doesn't help that the pay is atrocious — I make less in inflation adjusted dollars than my first job straight out of school nearly 20yrs ago, in a higher cost of living place.

josefritzishere

You sir are having a mid-life crisis. You may need to change your career but do not give in to the urge to buy a sports car. It won't fix your career aspirations nor make you any younger.

arielweisberg

It's not a good idea if you can't afford it or it is distracting you from your real problems, but a nice car can be very fulfilling and makes the miles you are forced to drive or drive voluntarily many times more enjoyable.

Getting into nicer cars and real sports cars was one of the best calls I ever made.

Engineers punish themselves with pretty terrible cars when they could easily afford something that is better in many dimensions.

glitchc

What's wrong with buying a sports car? They're awesome!

ForTheKidz

I personally don't see much benefit over just lighting cash on fire and inviting friends over to enjoy, but everyone has their passions.

recursive

You could drive the car the next day also I guess.

Night_Thastus

Some people enjoy the aesthetics, the design of the car - they can be quite beautiful! Some enjoy the engineering - it can be challenging to squeeze so much performance out and still meet environmental requirements. Some enjoy them for the tuning and personal work they can put in to make it their own. Others like it as a status symbol - a recognition of the hard work they put in and what they accomplished. Some like it for the moment to moment feel of being pressed into the seat and the sounds it makes.

There are a lot of reasons to enjoy a sports car. It'll be something I almost certainly never do myself, but I can definitely see the appeal.

glitchc

Ah, you must not enjoy driving. Different strokes for different folks.

acuozzo

It's a rapidly depreciating asset, but an asset nonetheless and its core function is useful.

radley

It's a life experience. Enjoy having one or skip it. Either works. It's your life.

somanyphotons

It's one thing to buy a Miata, it's another to buy a status-symbol car

flerchin

Bruh, buy a sports car if you want. They're relatively cheap compared to the other mid-life crisis cliché: an affair/divorce.

stonogo

Absolutely buy a sports car, regardless of age, if that's something you're into. It won't fix anything structurally wrong with your life but you're definitely allowed to have fun.

PaulDavisThe1st

Would strongly suggest renting one first. The fun might last for some; it didn't for me (thankfully, I found this out while renting).

RandomBacon

I'm not a car expert, but it seems like the really fun ones require a lot of expensive maintenance. I imagine it wouldn't be hard to rent them for the day/weekend from people who did buy them, but can't really afford them.

lotsofpulp

A relatively cheap performance version of Model 3 or Model Y can let you experience the best 99% of sports cars could offer for just $40k to $55k.

Even the non performance version of Model 3 and Model Y probably offer more “sports car” performance than most more expensive sports cars.

CobaltFire

Only if you define sports car == muscle car; a sports car has far more performance than straight line going for it.

lotsofpulp

Sure, but the increased torque/acceleration is all that 99% of people are going to experience from any sports car they use. It's not like the commercials where they are going to be speeding up and down curvy mountain roads. They are going to go from home to work to grocery store in suburbia.

karmakurtisaani

Yeah, but then you'll be supporting Elon and his cringe fest.

squiffsquiff

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