Carlos Slim cancels his collaboration with Elon Musk's Starlink

wait is not that just real life

> This is a weird take. The "pedo guy" guy told Elon to stick the submarine up his ass.

The weird thing here is that Elon waltzed in with a 'solution' that was ostensibly flawed to anyone but those with the most superficial understanding of what was required, and blithely presented it to actual experts who were putting their lives at risk, and then expected to be praised. What would be normal, would have been to graciously take the reality check he was given and adjust his priors. This is what actually intelligent people do: they learn; they grow up. And maybe one day, Elon will make it to adulthood, but his early fortunes have insulated him from any need for introspection.

> Or it's like a normal person making a normal mistake.

Except that like the kings of old, Elon is not a normal person, and therefore his "mistakes" are not normal either, because they have repercussions.

The whole point is that with great power comes great responsibility. And when you have someone who can't handle that power responsibly without lashing out the way Elon does in a highly immature manner, then you do wind up with a modern version of the "off with your head" tyrant. Sure, he may not cut off your head, but he can cut off your livelihood.

> But being an asshole back to an asshole is hardly a red flag.

Being an asshole is almost always a red flag. It's like teaching someone to not eat grilled babies by eating grilled babies yourself to show them how bad it looks.

Speaking of weird takes. The rescuers first response wasn't "stick it up your ass", it was that they had a workable solution, the team to execute it and the last thing necessary was an even bigger media circus. Elon pouted and whined that he wasn't being taken seriously, and -then- that quote came out. That quote from, by the way, someone who was actually in the middle of coordinating the rescue, being harangued by reporters as to why they weren't indulging Musk's spur-of-the-moment idea that wasn't even remotely feasible (Musk hadn't even considered the cave geometry).

I find it borderline offensive that you equate someone under stress saying "stick it up his ass" as "toxic attitude" that is on the same level as going to the media and saying "I have evidence that this person is a pedophile" (Oh, not to mention the fact that Musk then fucking HIRED a PI to try to gather evidence for when he was called on his bullshit).

"Stick it up your ass" and "I have evidence that you are a pedophile" are not "reflections of the same".

"Stick it up your ass" won't ruin anybody's life. Being falsely accused of pedophilia can, has, and does ruin lives.

I think it takes a clear bias to even conflate the two in some attempt to defend Musk and make the cave diver the bad guy.

> stick the submarine up his ass

This isn't accurate.

> "He can stick his submarine where it hurts," Unsworth replied. [1]

There are plenty of places that a submarine can go where it will hurt, such as ear canals. You are assuming in bad faith that Unsworth told him to place it in a specific area.

[1]: https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16/629348178/elon-musk-and-briti...

I don’t really know - but the power of the Mexican Cartels suggests they have connections into the Mexican oligarchy.

More credible than a random guy in Thailand being “a pedo” because he disagreed with Musk.

Since Trump started his term, Rogan has fallen from the top podcast in the charts to number two with a 32% drop in downloads over the past month. I guess its something?

Lots of people wish for the failures of profitable businesses. The sooner the better for us to be off oil the better for the planet. The slave trade employed many people and was extremely profitable. There's no reason to care about Starlink being successful.

Why not? The entire point of market economics is to make that not a problem and leave room for other potentially better companies to take the place of worse ones. He obviously is a negative influence for the business as a whole even if he stayed out of politics, just the fact that he tries to pull so much money/value out of those businesses for personal gain has a negative effect on how efficient and beneficial to consumers those businesses can be.

Yes, I do. More important than tech and jobs is that we keep too much power from accumulating in any one persons hands.

I got that part. It was the "wants to eliminate my people" part I'm missing. Is Musk talking genocide?

I have yet to meet a person who regrets having successfully weaned themselves off the news-cycle dopamine treadmill. If anything, I find that they tend to be better informed and more thoughtful than they were when they wasted cycles on the carnival.

Might just be me though.

Nope. It’s the best decision you’ll ever make. It’s pure propaganda that has absolutely no positive impact at all.

What are you even talking about? Trying to rule that trans people don't exist and kick them out of every space possible is one of the biggest efforts of Trump's first month.

>dismantling his country for profit

Wow, that certainly sounds familiar.

Profoundly inverted sense of morality. Don’t know what can be done about it.

These seem like more reasons to celebrate the end of a partnership between two oligarchs. May it cost them both money in the end.

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This is why, OP said mid-superBowl:

> T-Mobile since I canceled my service with them mid-Superbowl when I learned they were collaborating with StarLink

That implies spur of the moment, emotional response.

You are watching the Super Bowl one minute, you see a commercial for T-Mobile, then immediately call to cancel your service in anger? If it happened at all - you must port before cancelling, or lose the number

The ID4 software is so bad VW is basically buying rivian. I don't factor politics into car purchases, just value for money.

I'd bet that you could pick three points about any EV where the model 3 LR is only able to beat the alternative on two of the three.

You don't need 0-60 in under 6 seconds.

I say this as a driver of a Polestar. It's just silly.

In fact it's mostly dangerous. I won't pay for the upgrade to the "performance" package because 4.5 seconds is already crazy enough.

Also consider we non-Tesla owners get luxuries like an actual dashboard, turn stalk... and body panels that fit together properly.

In a thread about cynicism, a poster wonders why don't more cars come with dangerous features

not only that but he historically never really took much of a hit for his idiotic impulsive life choices

I was being sarcastic. It is, after all, very much unlikely Mr. Slim would send a bunch of sicários to torment Elon Musk.

If, indeed, Musk were right (he isn’t) it’d be amusing, simply for the unlikely event he was, for the first time, right on one of his many drug-induced late night tweets.

no need to wish for it, but it's not a hard thing to imagine. if the Trump admin starts to go after cartels in a way that starts to affect them, do we honestly think they will not retaliate?

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As long as you target medias' current cartoon villain, nothing's over the top these days.

It’s crazy to me that people are rooting for the Mexican cartels over Elon.

> Do people forget that?

If you mean people on HN, maybe not. If you mean people in general, then a lot of people don't know it at all let alone forgetting it. The vast majority of people do not pay attention to what CEOs do, if they even know who they are. The vast majority of people don't want to be tuned in like that and are using social media to deliberately check out. It's one of the reasons they are so susceptible to the algos