State of emergency declared after blackout plunges most of Chile into darkness
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·February 26, 2025appleorchard46
toomuchtodo
Broadly speaking, electrical grids are the largest machines in the world and are held together by systems to keep everything in harmony at a target frequency (enormous spinning mass that slows when load is added, and has to spin back up, failsafes that have to decouple parts of the grid when maintaining voltage and frequency becomes impossible with committed capacity, etc). It’s actually wild it works flawlessly most of the time and is a testament to robust systems keeping them operational. There’s always room for improvement between here and some nebulous point of diminishing returns. That cost/resiliency discovery process is constant.
In this case, there is room for improvement, at some cost to be determined from a post mortem.
Galatians4_16
Giant flywheels exist, in some systems, which can easily start or restart backup diesel generators on the fly, though probably not for whole grids.
A bit of decentralization goes a long way.
toomuchtodo
Batteries are taking over this role. Tesla has one near Houston, TX that can have an isolated electrical path established from it to geographically close thermal generators to provide blackstart capabilities (like jumpstarting a car). “Gambit Energy” is the project. To your point, distribution and grid segmentation solves for this, but it takes time and money to deploy batteries throughout a service territory, configure orchestration and transmission grade disconnects to rapidly isolate system components, etc. I see a large order of battery storage from BYD in Chile’s future.
https://www.gambit-energystorage.com/
https://www.angleton.tx.us/DocumentCenter/View/3793/Gambit-E...
https://www.ercot.com/files/docs/2024/01/12/Tesla%20BESS%20G...
VBprogrammer
In general failures like this aren't so much because of a single point of failure but because they trigger cascading failures across the network.
One piece of infrastructure trips offline, causing an abnormal situation at another, which then trips etc.
ziofill
Isn’t this the same as a single point of failure, just “spread out”?
ffsm8
No, a single point of failure means that everything depends on a single thing. I.e. if you've got 10 gas engines all being fed by a single pipeline. Or a single powerline providing all electricity to the full grid.
That pipeline/powerline is your single point of failure.
It is still a single network, but you need multiple failures to manifest into a cascading issue like this.
What you're probably thinking of is more akin to distributed system which fails when any one component fails, i.e. modern microservice architectures, aka distributed monoliths. But that's not the case here, because you constantly have minor issues on the grid. They're just continuously being handled. What becomes the issue is the cascade, with each failure increasing the likelihood of a following failure etc.
In web developer terms, this is as if a production k8s cluster fails because a node went offline, which rebalanced too many containers to another node which ran out of memory, causing it to crash and starting the cascade, ultimately ending with adjacent clusters starting to crash because of the error quotas etc
Maxion
Electricity infrastructure is incredibly expensive. If a main transmission line goes down you will have issues both sides of it, one side experiencing sudden increased supply which will raise the frequency which will cause power plants to trip offline.
On the other side you will see frequency drops, which will do the same.
I do not know what Chiles power production looks like, but it would be a huge challenge for any power network to deal with one of the main lines suddenly dropping out.
oliwarner
It's likely not a single fault, but a fault and a subsequently failed protection mechanism. Elements of a grid usually work together, tied through frequency synchronisation with protection breakers to separate them if a part gets overloaded or fails. If a required generator or transmissions like did go down, and it and its users remained connected to the national grid, that load can very easily pull the rest down.
Many modern countries have experienced rolling black- and brown-outs in the past ~25 years. It's not an easy thing to sidestep without a lot of spare capacity and that takes money that nobody has the appetite to spend.
cmrdporcupine
Are you old enough to remember the great northeast blackout of 2003? A single software bug brought the whole grid down for 55 million people and we didn't have power fully restored here in southern Ontario until 3 days later.
It was nice to see the stars though.
jcranmer
It wasn't a single software bug. Broadly, what happened was this:
* A power company failed to trim trees from its power lines properly. Four of their major transmission lines failed in one afternoon due to shorting out via tree.
* The software bug you mentioned caused a failure to alarm the power company of two of their line failures. The first and fourth failures were alarmed in real time.
* A separate issue rendered the regional grid operator's software modeling real-time grid instability inoperable for most of the afternoon. Crucially, if this had been running, the operator would have realized that the failure of one more line would have created grid instability requiring immediate action.
* The final line trip set off a cascade of overloads trips until Sammis-Star overloads and trips. This takes about 15 minutes, and analysis suggests that the Sammis-Star trip is when the blackout became inevitable.
* Sammis-Star triggers lines to fail one-by-one from east to west, until it severed every line in Ohio and Michigan. This causes a large power surge to go from Michigan through southern Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, Ontario, back into Michigan and then into the final demand of Cleveland.
* Essentially every link along this spiral fails in the course of a few seconds, creating several grid islands. Whether these grid islands black out is dependent on the local mismatch between generation and consumption.
(Full story from https://web.archive.org/web/20120318081212/http://www.nerc.c...).
greenie_beans
just gave me a good ambiance idea for a fiction, ty
TZubiri
Simultaneously Argentina is like:
"There's too much bureocracy in customs for electrical imports, make it laxer, also no restriction on plug types
IncreasePosts
Well, no country-wide black outs so far.
lenerdenator
Consider this your reminder to swing by the home improvement store and buy that backup generator you've been thinking about getting for a while.
Gonna be a lot of discarded food in Chile over the next few days...
jillesvangurp
Getting fuel for your generator might be a challenge. Petrol stations tend to require electricity to operate their pumps.
A less reactive and better long term plan would be investing in tech that simultaneously reduces your monthly electricity bills and makes you more resilient against grid failures: solar + battery. It's not a solution in the middle of a black out. But a great one for dealing with the next one.
I have no idea how reliable the grid in Chile is. But even the southern tip is at -52 degrees latitude, which means their winters are about as dark as at +52 latitude, like Berlin, Germany where I live where solar power is very popular Anything in between (most of the US, except Alaska) gets enough sun hours to make solar panels a very useful fallback (with seasonal limitations obviously); and you can also keep your batteries topped up with grid power too using e.g. cheap off-peak power.
A cheaper alternative could be to pick up a few portable batteries and solar panels from Amazon. You can get a nice plug and play setup that will power some essential things for a while for a few thousand dollar/euro. Running the AC off such a setup is not going to be a thing. But you could run a small fridge for a half a day or so, keep phones laptops charged, and keep the lights on. Some people buy generators just so they can top up their batteries when solar falls short and run completely off-grid otherwise.
AdamN
This seems pretty wasteful. Going without electricity for a day really isn't such a burden and a freezer can last pretty long or if it doesn't there's rarely much of a problem with waste if you just eat the food in order.
canadiantim
Risk management isn't a waste
njarboe
Too much is. How much to spend on it is the tricky part.
BLubliulu
Get an EV instead. Use it for bi-directional charging, buy PV to reduce your dependency and energy bill and a heat pump to be independent of oil/gas companies.
aftbit
Hardware store backup generator => $500 - $2000
vs
EV => $8000 - $40000
Bidirectional charging infra => $2000 - $5000
PV => $5000 - $15000
Heat pump => $5000 - $10000
That's an awful lot of money that you're proposing people spend in order to cover a rare occurrence. Of course there's day-to-day value in having all of that which a backup generator cannot provide, but in a power outage, you'd probably rather just have the cheap gas generator, and maybe a $1000-ish "solar generator" (i.e. battery pack with inverter) that you can use to load-shift the generator. Run the genny during the day to charge the battery; run the fridge, lights, and phone charger from the battery overnight.
therealdrag0
There is no additional infrastructure for plugging a vehicle like Hyundai that supports V2L into a generator socket. Except a 20$ adaptor. You only get 15A from it but that’s enough to run key functions for 5 days silently and exhaust free.
mikestew
Get an EV instead
Be choosy about the EV, not all of them have this feature (Tesla, for instance, doesn’t last I checked). That said, after we got our Hyundai (and the vehicle-to-load adapter), I sold our generator to a neighbor. Less than a year later, we both got to test our electrical backups.
Hopefully you were going to buy an EV anyway, because a nice generator is about $1000. A Hyundai Ioniq 5 is considerably more than that.
kibwen
Remember that having PV isn't enough, you also need to have the circuitry to disconnect your house from the grid, because your personal panels probably don't have the capacity to power the entire grid on their own (plus it wouldn't be safe for line workers to have random pockets of energy in a grid that's supposed to be down).
officialchicken
That's a terrible suggestion. A car is 20x the price of a generator while and at least 10x larger. A car can't power an entire household for days on end using a few gallons of gasoline per day, etc. A car is a transportation device, not a stationary energy generation machine designed as a backup in case of power failure.
kibwen
> A car can't power an entire household for days on end
This is underestimating the ludicrous amount of power an EV's batteries have. You can absolutely power your house for days on end using one. (Of course, that should also give us pause to think about what it means that we spend so much energy for transportation compared to household necessities.) And gasoline has plenty of problems too, like its extremely short shelf-life.
fhdkweig
Tech Connections did a video showing exactly this.
cloverich
> A car can't power an entire household for days on end using a few gallons of gasoline per day, etc
Average home uses 30kwH / day. Average EV battery size 40kwh. Correct not days on end, but at least a full day to full capacity, and perhaps a few days at reduced capacity. My Ioniq 5 has an 84kwH battery so I guess I'd get a bit further.
Galatians4_16
Feed it to chickens and hogs!
CSMastermind
Does anyone know what the root cause is?
webdoodle
I'm sure the solar proton storm that hit right as Chile was sun facing had nothing to do with it. /s
https://spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=25&month=02&...
FYI - The 3rd worlds power grid, mostly near the equator isn't as resilient to solar storms as the U.S. and other nations in the Northern Hemisphere who've had to harden there grids against such things due to repeated solar incidents. Often because they have no redundancy when a line surges.
qwertox
From the article:
Trump Team Looks to Drastically Cut Weather and Climate Agency https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-team-looks-...
Trump officials signal potential changes at NOAA, the weather and climate agency https://www.npr.org/2025/02/15/nx-s1-5297183/noaa-national-w...
Sigh...
MisterSandman
A government declaring a curfew (for any reason) is a bad thing, IMO, but I may be projecting a bit - how are people from Chile responding? I’m sure they’re not happy about the outage, but does the curfew etc. seem reasonable to them?
mrbungie
Chilean here. The curfew was very reasonable due to the scale of the outage initially affecting the ~99.0% of homes, and its the purpose was just to reduce circulation due to restricted policing capacity and the inherent danger of big cities such as Santiago being completely out of energy and artificial light at night.
Plus, both natural persons and enterprises could ask for curfew passes via a website (Comisaria Virtual) created during the COVID-era for doing police paperwork online. Military/police staff were especially understanding and people who didn't have a pass when checked were allowed to get one on-site using their smartphones.
It was as soft as a curfew can get. I didn't see any important backlash on social networks if that says anything to you.
ipython
How did the smartphone based pass system work if - as tfa states - telecommunication infrastructure was also non functional?
mrbungie
Most telco and central gov. tech infra was actually working, unstable, but working during the first hours of the outage. I know some friends eventually lost connectivity in remote parts of the country though (for 2-3 hours at most).
For the average chilean: As long as you had 4G-5G equipment with working batteries, you had internet and access to essential gov services.
dataviz1000
On a scale from 0 to Augusto Pinochet bringing American "Freedom" to the people or his next door neighbor, Videla, throwing dissidents out of airplanes, the current government declaring a curfew during darkness is about a 0.
Luckily, I flew out of Chile on Saturday. Although it felt like it was the safest place I have visited in South America so far the empty white powdered dime bags on the sidewalk, people telling me to be very careful walking alone at night, razor wire and electrified fences around properties was a reminder of how dangerous it is.
eitally
I have a very close friend who's Chilean but grew up in Brasil after his family immigrated to escape Pinochet. Overall, Chile is exceptionally safe by South American standards, especially outside Santiago (which has all the perks and challenges of any large city).
dmacvicar
Depending where you look your numbers, Chile's crime and homicide rate is very similar to the United States.
nodesocket
I’ve been to Santiago, Chile and Buenos Aires. Highly recommend Argentina, in my opinion generally safer and much better food (pastas, pizza) Italian influence.
deadbabe
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jjfanboy
So true, to you and others that think this way, it's all true - it's truly awful. Please, for the love of god, never visit. Save yourselves.
reaperducer
Pretty much all of South America is a hell hole
Is that you, Donald?
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arcbyte
I won't quibble with your characterization of South America today (even tho i disagree) but I do disagree with your suggestion of its causation. Certainly the lack of beasts of burden were an issue in pre-Spanish times, but the progression of North America and South America are remarkably similar after the British/French and Spanish starting settling. The primary differences really seem to come from a cultural difference between the people of the two continents and the failure of South America to reject communism.
George Washington and Simon Bolivar both lived at roughly the same time and fought similar revolutions.
South America's woes really began in the early 20th century when, despite avoiding the devestation of the world wars, they succumbed to socialist revolutions which ravaged their economies and destroyed their future prospects.
jjfanboy
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graeme
It's possible OP is not from the US. Most places in the OECD aren't as dangerous as US cities. But, when you are in a city and see
>razor wire and electrified fences around properties
That is a sure sign that LOCALS see dangers present
c22
Most homeless people are more scared of you than you are of them.
jobs_throwaway
Gross, unhelpful comment, and essentially just whataboutism. Plenty of American cities are also unsafe and OP didn't say otherwise.
That isn't 'white panic' lol. Are you perhaps insecure about your own race?
robertlagrant
I think this is the pertinent section?
> Authorities also announced a curfew in effect from 10 p.m. Tuesday until 6 a.m. Wednesday.
Personally I could understand that both policing and emergency response with no light at night might just become impossible. All the streetlights are presumably out, making walking difficult. If all of the traffic lights are also not working at night, it seems extremely dangerous. And any criminal would be camouflaged by all of the chaos. Much simpler to police the very act of being outside.
I agree it's not ideal, but I wouldn't thin end of the wedge it.
lazide
If there is any legitimate reason for an emergency nighttime curfew and martial law, it’s likely this would be it, yes.
Chile is also relatively lightly populated, with the vast majority of its population in Santiago - which is pretty dense.
If anywhere in Chile is going to have a sudden crime spree if there was an opportunity, Santiago would be pretty much it.
mrbungie
Yep. The 2010 Chilean earthquake and tsunami[1] is an example of what can happen in this country during catastrophes: sacking and looting.
Since then night curfews are a given during and after disasters.
anjel
Or NYC 1977
inferiorhuman
Counterpoint: huge swaths of the Bay Area went dark for a few days (9–11 October 2019) and we did not descend into martial law.
DanielVZ
This is common standard procedure during region-wide emergencies. Everyone sees it as reasonable as far as I know due to crime being common during emergencies. We are at an all time high perception of crime. I myself have been victim of two car hijacks this year, and know plenty of victims in my already small social circle. If my only loss of freedom is going out during the night (you still can do it for short trips by filling a form), I think it’s worth it.
sieabahlpark
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nkrisc
If there were ever reason for a curfew, this seems to be a textbook example of when it is warranted.
boomboomsubban
Even ignoring crime, a curfew probably helps the health care and firefighting sectors significantly. I can easily imagine my friend group using a blackout as an excuse for a drunken bonfire.
bluGill
So long as there is enough space to safely have a bonfire (no burning down the neighbor's house or starting a forest fire), and nobody gets so drunk they need medical care there is nothing wrong with a drunken bonfire. Or you can put away the alcohol and have a kid friendly bonfire - they are just as much fun.
Of course many drunken bonfires end up needing health care and/or firefighting. However they need not. How do you fix your friends?
boomboomsubban
Yes, with proper planning drunken bonfires are fine, I've enjoyed several.
One hastily put together without the benefits of electricity is less likely to be properly planned. Hundreds if not thousands of groups doing the same thing ensures a certain number are going to cause problems. And with emergency services already stressed, banning risky behavior seems fair.
CJefferson
All bonfires have risks, so banning them during a complete blackout really doesn’t seem unreasonable. If you do have an accident, don’t expect an ambulance to come.
BLubliulu
As long as someone never ever needs to be inconvinented even in a situation were it could make sense to just not do anything which is not necessary for a day or two...
If we had a system, were you could register yourself and the society would be allowed to not help you, that would be great. But no we have a medical code (which funny enough is not enough to let woman die when they have a difficult/livethreatening pregnancy...)
marcinzm
> A government declaring a curfew (for any reason) is a bad thing, IMO,
As I see it, in a well running society there is enough trust to give everyone flexibility in the short term. If everyone assumes worst intentions and outcomes then your society is effectively no longer functioning. At which point a curfew is the least of your worries.
nobodyandproud
This is executive powers as it was intended, though, and not a power grab.
newsclues
I think generally you must confirm that there was no power grab after the emergency has pasted.
Otherwise you can grab power and refuse to relinquish it after a real emergency that justified the executive powers.
aithrowawaycomm
That is true but it seems like most authoritarians invent a vague emergency to justify grabbing specific powers (e.g. Trump declaring a "border emergency"), whereas a specific emergency for a specific event has a time limit.
In particular: getting Trump to rescind his border "emergency" will be a long slow process of organizing and accumulating public pressure, whereas there will be an overwhelming amount of public pressure to end the curfew as soon as the power is restored.
I don't know the first thing about electric infrastructure, but for there to be a single point of failure like this just seems bonkers. I suppose the country's shape is partially to blame. I wonder what could have caused this.