GibberLink [AI-AI Communication]
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·February 25, 2025AKSF_Ackermann
rglullis
4. If you are an agent receiving a call, why not announce it right away?
bibimsz
It comes down to the problem statement and what the constraints are. This is solving for using the phone-only scenario, which is perfectly valid.
If you want to address a phone-with-internet-backchannel, that's valid too - but it assumes different problem statement and constraints.
AKSF_Ackermann
Please pay more attention to the point 3 in my original post. To reiterate: their encoding is hilariously bad, and is easily outcompeted by a modem from the 60s.
0xDEFACED
youre missing the forest for the trees. the library this demo is using for audio encoding (ggwave) was not made by the creators of this demo. speed (or lack thereof) aside, having a direct audio<->text encoding is much more computationally efficient than speech<->text generation.
on the subject of the encoding efficiency, the ggwave depo mentions the use of reed-solomon error correction to make transmission more reliable. im struggling to find any info on error correction used by bell 103 or other modems, but if they aren't as robust that could partially explain the discrepancy you're describing
swexbe
Sounds more futuristic than old dial-up sounds though
godelski
I think the most important part is the bitrate. As you said elsewhere: "time is money". Seems like you're not saving that much money
jcgrillo
> Warning: This went viral, be careful as there are a lot of scam projects trying to capitalize on this. We have nothing to do with them.
I'm doubling down on my thesis. All this "AI" crap is Web3 2.0. It's nothing but scams on scams.
huevosabio
No, Web3 had little to show other than scams.
This AI wave is so good that it makes it easy to create scams. So you get a lot of noise.
dingnuts
Citation heavily needed. What AIs do you use, and how much do you pay monthly for your usage, and for how much usage? If there are limits imposed on your account, how often do you hit them?
Since it's pay per token, I would be a lot more likely to take my credit card and sign up for one of these services (they are all rather expensive to an individual) if I could get my money back for any tokens that generate hallucinations.
Why would I pay for tokens that generate lies? Scam. It's literally gambling. Put in a quarter and you might get the answer you wanted easier than searching. Didn't get it? Well, put in another quarter, rejigger your prompt, and pull the lever again. Maybe the slot machine will give you the result you want, this time. Oh, it didn't? Well, the sunk cost got a little bigger. Better pull again..
dweekly
It's a little depressing to have reinvented the modem only 10,000 times less efficient.
At the point that two AIs discover that they are talking to each other, wouldn't it almost certainly be true that both could access the Internet and therefore the right thing to do (if more than a few bits of information need to be shared) is to exchange endpoint information and hang up the call to be able to communicate directly?
flemhans
A standardized chime in the beginning of the phone call could serve to alert humans as well as AI agents that the party they are talking to are an AI, eliminating the first part of the conversation.
giancarlostoro
I love it, we are returning back to 64k internet where the phone starts screeching to get you where you need to be.
hooverd
That would be my queue to hang up. A computer should never talk to you first.
Majromax
> A computer should never talk to you first.
Isn't that exactly what happens with every IVR (phone menu) system?
hooverd
They hopefully don't call you first. I was thinking of Google calling restaurants on your behalf to check for reservations. It's not valuing the other party's time. Unless they have their own systems.
See everyone using their own LLMs to write paragraphs that will never be read and only summarized by an LLM on the other end. We're achieved negative compression.
dingnuts
yes and it is infuriating. I don't think anyone wants more of those. But it will be fun prompt injecting AI agents with my mouth in the coming decades. Beats the old hacks for beating the IVR systems to get to a person
jarbus
Brilliant, I don't feel this is pracctical, but I love the creativity.
willwade
This reminds of me chirp https://archive.is/HEC29
https://audioxpress.com/news/data-over-sound-pioneer-chirp-a...
nimish
This is the equivalent of the Yo app but for """AI"""
This is also high art. This needs to be in MOMA or something.
I love this.
hansonkd
Why doesn't it just communicate a unique conversation ID and then use a backchannel like opening up a web connection instead? It is supposing that you are able to make a call but not connect to the internet?
bibimsz
this is using phone only
shrubble
What’s the RTTY protocol?
megadata
According to the page they're using https://github.com/ggerganov/ggwave
m3kw9
I wonder how well it can listen if there is lots of bg noise in this type sounds
empath75
Everyone is right that the protocol is the wrong one to use, but there _should_ actually be some formally documented handshake for ai-agents to use to agree on an outside protocol to switch to.
ricktdotorg
you're right -- there SHOULD be!
They stepped on every single rake possible, didn't they? 1. Why are you making a phone call in the first place, your agent probably got the number from the internet, just keep using that. 2. If you insist on initiating the conversation over a phone call, why not immediately terminate the call and again, go over the internet once you realize that it is an ai to ai conversation. 3. You did in fact re-invent a modem but worse, the quoted speed on that library is 8-16 bytes/sec, and i would like to point out that the Bell 103 did ~37 bytes/sec, and was released in 1963.