A vending machine, on the internet
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·February 18, 2025iandanforth
jvanderbot
Hey man he's out drinking free beer with his buddies, not losing sleep when the machine jams.
(Paraphrasing TFA for anyone confused)
chiffre01
I looked up alien stickers, and you can get 300 of them for $52. Assuming you sell them at 50 cents each and sell out in one month, that's a $98 profit. However, that depends on the cost of placing/location the vending machine.
xivzgrev
Rock on man. The contrarian attitude reminds me of the “I Sell Onions on the Internet” guy
https://www.deepsouthventures.com/i-sell-onions-on-the-inter...
eightturn
ha, onionman here : ) I also wrote an essay similar to this vending machine analogy... simple minds think alike I guess https://www.deepsouthventures.com/building-things-that-do-ju...
y-curious
I love your website, and thank you for your writeups. I was sad to see that many of the domains in your "getting started" page are not up and running. www.kobebeef.com being dead hit me hard :'( I feel oddly inspired, and my wife will probably be sending you hate mail in the near future :p
isaacremuant
Why is it contrarian? Entrepreneurial spirit is well appreciated in popular culture even if most people don't have the ability to lose 10k without worries. Risk aversion might separate most people from entrepreneurs but it's not really a contrarian attitude, right? Maybe I've been interpreting the word wrong forever.
Would it be less contrarian if it was apples?
ipsento606
> The machine was jammed. It wasn’t a big deal. I shrugged and moved on to buy my groceries.
I resonate with the sentiment, but this is very far from my experience selling cheap software products.
I had multiple people reach out to me because a software upgrade they paid $2 for 8 years ago stopped working. And they were, like, pissed about it.
SL61
I run a free website with a monthly active user count in the 100k range. When something breaks - even if it's a really niche feature or a compatibility issue with an outdated browser - I get an army of furious users contacting me however they can. I can't imagine what would happen to me if the site completely broke or went down for more than a few hours.
y-curious
This is my parents and my in-laws. They will gladly tip a bartender $5 for pouring a beer but God forbid you suggest they spend $2 on a productivity app on the app store.
rcxdude
Probably because while they paid $2 for it, it was worth far more than $2 to them.
nicbou
You can choose not to engage. What are they going to do, fire you?
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batch12
That sucks, but with the stakes as low as $2, I'd happily give the money back and move on.
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bagpuss
if someone relies on an upgrade for 8 years, $2 is not enough!
Obscurity4340
You should be able to pay for upgrades and not hve to ply russin roulette where there's any chance that updating removes features and puts them back behind an eternal subscriber paywall.
hampowder
I'm trying to make an analogous product (native app) for learning vocabulary after Memrise shut it simple, flashcard app down.
One thing about the vending machine model is that the transaction is done. You don't require any continued interaction from the vendor to enjoy what you bought.
For that reason I made it:
- a native app so it didn't require a server once downloaded
- offline first, using WatermelonDb to sync with a server if available
- all data bundled, so my server doesn't need to exist when downloading
The intention is to make it at some point a one-time purchase. I'm trying to conceive it more like writing/distributing a book than a subscription app.The hardest elements have actually been complying with the various app store requirements. Google Play now requires developers to have 20 users test your app for 14 days. I've been stuck with 4x 14 day cycles for the Catalan version with no specific feedback as to how to satisfy their desire that it has been sufficiently tested.
Interestingly with Google Play, if you want to make an up-front paid app, your testers must pay for the app too. If you make the app free, such that your testers can download it, you can't make it paid again afterwards. You can add in app purchases later, though.
If anyone wants to check it out, it's available for Spanish and Catalan for now: https://learnthewords.app/
janosett
Seems the App Store link isn’t working for me (in Spain). Would love to give it a try!
hampowder
Mm, please see previous comments on dealing with the respective app stores.
In this case Apple have de-listed me from the various EU app stores while they verify my 'trader information' - the requirement to publish my name and home address on the app store, next to my app.
rmetzler
Hey is the blogpost reloading every second (on mobile safari)?
venky180
Yes, mobile (chrome)
starfezzy
Yes (mobile Firefox)
soneca
For me it is indeed
savolai
This vending machine seems jammed indeed on iphone. The select boxes are empty. All three cards show ”whats” as the word.
gcr
It's because the browser tries to fetch `/words.json` but that isn't JSON, it's the homepage.
egeozcan
Same on Firefox Desktop. The business didn't lose a customer though as I suppose it's US only anyway?
rgbjoy
shrug oh well
foreigner
Same on Android. Cute idea tho.
stevoski
OP is in for a nasty surprise when they discover that the customers who complain the loudest are those that pay the least, and that it is difficult to turn a profit on a low-priced service due to the cost of acquiring customers.
Edit: And credit card fraud. A $5 price combined with a Stripe payment process is very attractive to people who want to test stolen credit card numbers.
everly
OP addresses this directly, if you bothered to read the whole thing:
"The stakes should be low. Whatever you’re selling, it’s gotta be cheap. And if things go awry? No one’s going to launch a chargeback crusade. Just like a reliable vending machine, if it jams, it’ll return your coins."
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ChrisMarshallNY
In New York, vending and videogame machines tend to be … ”connected,” … but maybe not the way you think.
I know someone that has made quite a bit of money, from vending machines, and he’s … um … “connected.” I generally don’t really deal with him too much. We run in different social circles.
Wiseguys like cash-heavy businesses. Maybe if they become cashless systems, that could change. I encounter vending machines that accept Apple Pay, fairly frequently, in more upscale venues.
__MatrixMan__
I'm reminded of Kagi's privacy pass model: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43040521
Generally speaking, kagi is not an internet vending machine. You have an account, you get billed monthly or whatever. Very much a normal SaaS in that regard. But the privacy system they've come up with fits quite well with the internet vending machine idea. You put a token in, you get a search result out.
I think it's got a lot of upside if you're trying to get paid to make software that isn't trying to manipulate its users. I hope to do something similar one day.
numtel
This is the analogy used in the first description of a smart contract in 1997
https://nakamotoinstitute.org/library/the-idea-of-smart-cont...
DeathArrow
The article is not about vending machines even if it seems so.
It's about low friction (you don't have to sign up, sign it and the process of buying is very simple) and selling cheap stuff so the customer is tempted to buy without having safeguards (an account, customer support).
Your machine has jammed, doesn't work in Firefox (macos). The words dropdown doesn't populate, nor does the style dropdown. I see a JSON.parse uncaught SyntaxError.