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Addiction Economy

Addiction Economy

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·February 1, 2025

giantg2

Well, how else are you going to prop up economies as birthrates fall? Get people to compulsively spend and never be satisfied with what they have. Sports, gambling, video games, substances, etc are all just distractions from our shitty empty lives.

dgfitz

A gramme a day…

bix6

What is the antidote?

giantg2

The first question should be if we want an antidote? We've tried banning many things to little effect. In many ways, the economy needs the spending to stay afloat.

TZubiri

We don't know, but I think step 1 is recognizing the issue, and we are not all there yet.

Jumping to the solution feels underestimating the issue, and demanding a quick fix. Par for the course for the malady.

fullshark

Genuine human connection and traditionally: religion.

TeMPOraL

What if "genuine human connection" is actually a True Scottsman?

deadbabe

Arranged marriages.

temporallobe

You joke, but this is not the worst idea.

deadbabe

I never joke.

layer8

Regulation about ads and tracking.

jgilias

I’m with you.

But then, I’m currently doom scrolling on this text-only site that doesn’t even have ads on it.

bix6

That wouldn’t be enough to stop smartphone addiction though

layer8

Correct. Only the current addiction economy.

api

Start thinking of intentional manipulation of the dopamine system as mind control, or a form of con artistry or assault, and develop both a stigma against it and a legal framework for placing some level of liability upon it.

This will be a very hard thing to get right without effectively outlawing fun, but I think we will have to address this. We are getting so good at manipulating our own addiction that it's eventually going to become an existential danger to humanity.

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TZubiri

Wow, didn't know the boomers had a no nut november equivalent.

I feel we are very close to a tipping point, we will get to 90% awake screentime, then 99% then 99.9%. At some point we'll start increasing our efforts to revert that on a massive scale until something works

fragmede

The article touches on GLP-1's but doesn't state explicitly: GLP-1's treat addiction. Scientific backing for this is still preliminary, but when/if confirmed, it'll be a game changer for humanity. Whether it's a digital, chemical, or biological addiction, (but sure which category gambling falls under) it'll be huge to be able to treat that underlying gnawing feeling that addicts of all stripes face.

knuppar

I mean, treats addiction and increases health risks for non-diabetic people. GLP-1's results on cardiac mass reduction look very convincing. Fairly sure we are not solving systemic addiction with a drug in our lifetime.

lm28469

> game changer for humanity.

What a sad state of affairs if you need to put 50%+ of your population on drugs because of "addiction".

Humanity was mostly fine for millions of years in that regard, maybe we should think about what the actual fuck we're building instead of giving life long treatments to everyone

twiceaday

Humanity was fine living in an environment much closer to what our bodies evolved for. But now tempting things are evolving faster than our biological countermeasures so we need sociological or chemical ones. What is the alternative? Coordinate so that everyone slows down making things and information people really, really like?

lm28469

Well we're apes with a brain supposedly better than other apes brains no? Letting us plan in advance and anticipate consequences, right?

We banned crack and mandated seat belts, cracks feels reallllllly good and seat belts are annoying

I guess it depends on if you see humanity as a horde of dumb beasts drugged on sex, sugar and alcohol or a collective of relatively smart individuals capable of taking collectively smart decisions for their greater good.

readthenotes1

Humanity mostly died hungry or sick...

ToucanLoucan

I have a peculiar relationship with Galloway as a figure, which manifests in that when I watch/listen to/read things he makes, I rapidly oscillate between "he got it all figured out" and "this man has no idea what he's talking about" and the rest of this comment is about the man himself and the system he represents, not the article in question, so if you want that focused discussion go ahead and scroll, it's not going to be here.

I have consumed no other creator's work who gets so shockingly, agonizing close to understanding what's wrong than Galloway who also manages to, regularly, immediately shift back into pro-America, pro-capitalism, pro status quo without his brain physically splitting in half, and it's genuinely a feat of mental gymnastics. He's previously advocated for removing section 230 protection for algorithmically elevated content (great idea!) but also thinks TikTok is a deliberate plot by the Chinese to make Western country's populaces think our country sucks, as though tons of us don't have... an entire lived experience under Western capitalism already telling us that? Scott, I didn't need the Chinese government to tell me that needing to spend $1,500 on an ambulance to get to the hospital that will bankrupt me because my appendix exploded sucks ass. I put that one together myself.

And I say all of this to say he is such an incredible distillation of what is, in my opinion, actually wrong with Western nations and Westerners: the just... shocking levels of incuriousity. This man has clearly been thoroughly educated, but his mind is utterly trapped within the notion of how great America is, presumably because he grew up in a time where it was and it was, in fact, so great, and more importantly, that it was still permitting some of that dividend to fall to people who weren't already loaded. And the reaction to this educated, clearly intelligent man who is identifying all these problems with our society is not to suggest a better society, no, it's to utterly mentally backflip onto "communists are propagandizing our children." He identifies that the government is staffed to the gills with people even older than he is, even more indoctrinated than he is, but can't cross the Rubicon of actually criticizing the system that put them there. He is fully aware of how the Boomer generation has utterly decimated the ability of it's own and all subsequent children to make a decent living via catastrophic wealth transfers and tax policies, while letting the nation their parents gifted them utterly ROT, but his solution is to fuck over people with student loans even harder than they've already been fucked because goodness knows, he isn't ready to pay back any of the money transferred to him, no matter how much he's ready to complain about it.

I'll commend him for his ability to actually see and bear witness to the problems plaguing the young, that makes him better than 90% of his contemporaries right out of the gate. However his solutions are more free markets, more chest beating, more of what already brought us to the precipice of a ruined world and just, nah man. Hardest conceivable pass please.

tuatoru

> The world’s most valuable resource isn’t data, compute, oil, or rare earth metals; it’s dopa, i.e., the fuel of the addiction economy, which runs the most valuable companies in history.