Thank HN: My bootstrapped startup got acquired today
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·January 23, 2025firefoxd
My employer picked vwo over my own custom in house ab testing tool [0]. I was so pissed!
Congrats, yours was the better tool.
jcheng
There's no higher praise than "I built my own; yours was better"!
kinderjaje
Well said! Honesty is best.
dang
Here's that earlier thread - thanks for pointing it out!
Thank HN: My startup was born here and is now 10 years old - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23466470 - June 2020 (128 comments)
shymaple
Awesome dude
hsyehbeidhh
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dsiroker
(Co-founder of Optimizely here) Congrats! It was fun competing with you
paraschopra
Dan, thank you! I has been fun competing with you.
I remember the golden days :)
I've been following your journey post Optimizely! Hope your new ventures turn out to be equally fun and fulfilling.
murukesh_s
I think it was a time when bootstrapping was a thing.. I feel its scary for new startups to bootstrap since the last decade with huge fundings, especially with funding in billions becoming a normal with the ongoing AI craze.
https://news.crunchbase.com/ai/largest-ai-startup-funding-de...
waonderer
I think that's more skewed towards the AI startups. Other startups have rather seen a dip in recent times, at least in India.
abhimanyue1998
AI inference is expensive, hence, funding is needed. In future, when AI infra becomes cheaper, we will see more bootstrapped AI startups too.
sskates
Congrats to you both!! Paras- you guys were always one of the ones we looked up to when starting Amplitude way back in 2012.
paraschopra
Thanks Spencer! You've built an amazing product, we're hugely inspired by Amplitude.
throwaway638637
Optimizely as in Episerver?? I thought Optimizely was Episerver's rebrand.
jeroen
Episerver bought Optimizely and then took the name.
throwaway638637
Oh what a strange decision. But that makes more sense than yhe reverse.
peterisdirsa
Why "was"?
statictype
Optimizely also sold to private equity many years ago. Presumably the founderts aren't there any more.
richardfeynman
@paras - I worked at Optimizely in the early days and led online marketing there from 2012 - 2016. I remember seeing your team copy our SEM strategy, so I added Hindu gods (shiva, vishnu, et al) to the UTM query params in our ads for your guys to dissect / get a laugh from.
Congrats on the exit. really nice to see.
shostack
As a fellow marketer I've totally done similar stuff to send messages to whomever is digging through their utms.
More usefully though, you can learn a shocking amount about a company from their utms and event data.
vectoral
I haven't dug into this much--out of curiosity, what do you think are some of the most useful things you can learn?
withinboredom
Most importantly, you can often find out WHY a campaign exists with stuff like utm=small-biz.
If they’re a competitor, congrats, you just found a potential niche you may have overlooked. If you look at what events they send to their analytics, you can uncover what they know and don’t know about app usage or ad performance.
richardfeynman
this guy gets it.
tiborsaas
How does one copy SEM strategy? How do you reverse engineer based on ads and utm_tags? How do I even know that you are doing it right so it's worth copying?
I good with API docs and weird bugs but this is beyond me.
paraschopra
Haha, I'll ask around if they ever figured out the query parameters :)
jacob_rezi
wanna join Rezi? we dont have a marketing team but get 4K signups a day
pryelluw
Friendly heads up that some thumbnail in your landing page are not loading. Specifically the ones that link to the sample resumes for a given title. The one for CTO and the one for compliance coordinator failed to load.
richardfeynman
thanks for this kind offer, but i'm working on something else.
sillysaurusx
Physics, no doubt.
anne_deepa
Are you hiring engineers? I would love to join.
rwalling
Bravo, @paraschopra What an incredible journey. I remember when you launched. I hadn't realized it was 16 years ago!
I'll hit you up privately with an invite to tell your story on Startups for the Rest of Us. It's a fitting place for a bootstrapper like yourself.
ExxKA
I should have guessed this was your handle Rob :) I listen to your podcast whenever I need a boost, but somehow never made the connection that you are one of "us", here.
If you'd like to get some scandi guys on your show, I am a GP at www.likeminded.vc, and connected into the community around Copenhagen and the nordics.
paraschopra
Awesome! Yes, indeed 16 years is a long period. But I was lucky to have been exposed to HN during the early years. I remember interacting with you!
mattfrommars
Congrats!
What made you commit and build this project when you were 22 year old vs million others SAAS you could have built at that time? Say, a CRM to compete with Salesforce, or a new web based Excel or web based Photoshop tool?
paraschopra
This was my 5th startup. During my college days I kept launching startups (Kroomsa, Precimark, MyJugaad.in). Failure of all these made me introspect and I realized I was trapped into the engineer's fallacy: build things without knowing or caring about how to market them. This pushed me to learn marketing and I fell deeper into the rabbit hole.
So, my next attempt was build a marketing suite as I was learning a lot about what works and what doesn't. But even that turned out to be a dud as I put too many features into it. But I did launch it on HN https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=876141 and got a few users.
Users found the UX too complicated and I got feedback to focus on 1 among the 10s of features I had added. See this comment by @patio11
>because you pack an AWFUL lot onto that first screen
So as my next iteration, I picked A/B testing and made a visual editor to make creation of A/B tests stupidly simple and that took off because it allowed marketers launch A/B tests without being reliant on developers.
This product, Visual Website Optimizer (VWO), took off!
mattfrommars
Thanks for this. To get it straight, you decided to go for marketing niche has it was an industry that obsessed you.
From their, feedback allowed to focus on one thing and do it well. This makes sense as you probably stretched yourself too thin. But the thing I don't get is, what was the trigger/pivot that made you go for 'A/B/ testing and not another segment of marketing niche?
At that time, weren't there other players in A/B segment who were far more established? What competitive edge did you see that made you go all in in A/B and which eventually took off?
paraschopra
I picked A/B testing because I discovered the most used product (Google Website Optimizer, now defunkt) was pretty crappy.
As an engineer, I couldn't figure out how to use it and it was meant for marketers.
So I sensed an opportunity within the A/B testing niche. In fact, the name Visual Website Optimizer comes from the fact that it did with Google Website Optimizer did, but visually (in an editor, instead of HTML code).
Optimizely started at the same time as us. They went to YC and raised a bunch of money. We remained bootstrapped.
20after4
It sounds like making it stupid simple and easy for non developers was the w.
peterpans01
Do you have any advices for someone about to learn marketing as dev same as your younger self?
tikkun
Awesome. For others, I see that Paras is now running https://turingsdream.co/ "an AI hackhouse running a six-week residency for coders and researchers who're interested in AI. The hackhouse is in Bangalore, India and you can join it either in-person, or in a hybrid fashion."
paraschopra
Thanks for linking it here.
If there are any AI researchers or engineers in Bangalore/India lurking here, please consider applying.
crypto2025
Hey paras I'm a doctor sitting in Australia. But have some analytical and coding skills and can have 3 startups which all failed to scale. I'm full time grinder and wokring on 505b2 FDA approval system. Off patient medications into market a knowledge graph system designed to convince the fda. I'd like to Jon the 6 week finger bleeder.
captn3m0
I attended Paras’a talk at the last graduation day for the residency. I’m amazed at how he was able to do all that, while dealing with the acquisition due diligence.
plinkplonk
This might be a dumb question, for which apologies in advance, but isn't 200 million a little low for a company with $ 50 million revenue? But maybe not, -- the profit is say $20 million and the acquirers are paying 10 X annual profit?
paraschopra
It's not a dumb question.
But what I learned in this process is that companies are valued after incorporating many factors (liquidity, earnouts, future involvement, growth rate, profit, retention, current market mood, etc. etc.) and multiples we see reported in media are obviously sit at the outlier curves.
I got a good deal overall (not just monetarily), and that's what I was shooting for.
nfm
Annual growth rate is typically a big factor in PE acquisition multiples. At a 4x multiple of ARR, I’d hazard a guess that this was on the lower side.
chii
at $20mil profit, that's a 40% margin, which is quite high, even for a tech company (tho for a startup, which can be nimble and agile, it's not impossible).
nexarithm
Are you planning to write blog post of the journey? It is always joyful to read about process and details about such acquisitions. I remember couple shared in HN and got lots of interest such as waze.
Congratulations!
paraschopra
What would you like to know about the process?
rexreed
I'd love to learn about PMF and which posts from HN were most helpful. Even a few pointers in the thread here would be awesome.
paraschopra
I've written a lot of my lessons here: https://invertedpassion.com/free-book-mental-models-for-star...
nullderef
Anything other than programming would be super helpful. There are a lot of software engineers who are able to build great products. Also knowing how to market and sell them is where only a few shine.
paraschopra
I've written a lot of my lessons here: https://invertedpassion.com/free-book-mental-models-for-star...
elevatedastalt
Congratulations!
Just curious, usually being purchased by a Private Equity firm spells a death knell for the company. Of course at the right price it makes sense that you wanted to sell it away, but what are your thoughts about what will happen to the company now?
paraschopra
My co-founder is continuing and so is rest of the leadership team. So, I'm expecting company and its culture to remain as is.
mooreds
It depends on the type of private equity too. There are absolutely firms that want to milk a profitable business by shutting down investment.
There are others that are all about growth.
bigiain
Just as a counter point, private equity seems to have helped WPEngine become so successful that Mullenweg has totally lost his mind over it.
swozey
And WordPress can thank CPanel and the tens of thousands of customer support and sysadmins that supported millions of WordPress users at $9/mo for a decade and have never once interacted or known who Mullenweg is.
And they can thank mysql.. and apache.. and php..
Take your money and be happy.
I met some of the worst people (CEOs) working in webhosting. Some truly awful people became very rich.
edit; I thought this was referencing old drama. This is brand new. www.reddit.com/r/wpdrama. I don't know anything about Mullenweg, I don't mean to sound like I'm calling him awful specifically.
sillysaurusx
Could anyone summarize the drama? I’ve been poking around the subreddit, and it’s clear something is going on (https://www.reddit.com/r/WPDrama/s/7931urG9ho) but it’s not clear what he actually did.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WPDrama/s/7eoTXQnwhh is as close to an explanation as I’ve found, but it seems tangential to whatever kickstarted the drama in the first place.
bigiain
This brand new drama (well, August/Sept vintage drama) reveals a _lot_ about Mullenweg.
I, for one, am happy to specifically call him awful.
gobengo
private equity + a whole lot of commons to encircle
stackghost
Stylistic note: "knell" is a word for a sound, like the ringing of a solemn type of bell.
So something can't be said to "spell a death knell".
dahart
Please don’t forget about 2nd definitions of words, and idioms. The stylistic note here is to be really careful when language policing. From what I’ve seen, it’s almost always wrong and backfires looking bad on you to claim other people’s word choices are incorrect. I know this from plenty of experience being knocked off the high horse. ;) But language is broader and more fluid than we imagine, and it’s quite fun to be a student of the way language works and changes over time. In English it gets even more fun when tracing etymologies through the other languages where our words came from and see the weird subtle ways the meanings change.
knell (noun) 2: “an indication of the end or the failure of something” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/knell
spell (verb) 2: “to add up to / MEAN”, 3: “come to understand” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spell
Examples of the idiom ‘spell a death knell’:
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/28/862658646/the-latest-u-s-blow...
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gladstone/spe...
https://www.mca-marines.org/wp-content/uploads/Machine-Learn...
https://www.protectingtaxpayers.org/international/to-shield-...
codetrotter
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/death-kn...
This page has a couple examples that use the phrasing “spelling” a death knell:
> If it does, it almost spells the death knell of a great number of football clubs throught the country.
> Indeed, it may spell the death knell of the other place.
If it sounds strange in US English, could it be a way of wording that’s more common in UK English?
prewett
I believe that back when the church was the center of English village life, they would ring the low bell when someone died. Being a village, you'd know when someone was ill. The bell was audible throughout the village, and probably to most of the surrounding fields, so having seen them struggle through their sickness, you'd know who had just died.
Anything, words included, that could metaphorically convey that the death-struggle was now finished. (Ironically, though, the death knell of things like companies is usually sounded before they are actually dead, and rather when the company is ill but the writer thinks that death is inevitable.) Although I don't like "spell a death knell" because the rhyme has an awkward rhythm, and it would be better to "sound" the knell.
lgas
"X spells Y" means "X results in Y". It was used correctly.
l2silver
Hey Chopra,
Thanks for sharing, this is really inspiring!
Just wondering, for other bootstrappers, if you do end up selling for, I don't know, $200 million letsay, how does that money generally get split? What percentage of the company did you own before selling, and what were the tradeoffs when selling ownership?
malshe
The TechCrunch article the OP linked above mentions this:
> Chopra, who owned 71% of Wingify before the acquisition, will retain a minority stake in the firm, one of the sources said.
l2silver
Thanks
dkkergoog
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dkkergoog
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dang
I put this post in the second-chance pool* as soon as I found out about it, but given that the startup is India, I think Paras might also be, in which case he may be offline for a while! (Edit: and will have rather a lot of responses waiting for him when that changes...)
* https://news.ycombinator.com/pool, explained at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308
paraschopra
Yes, thank you! I was indeed sleeping and just woke up.
ulf-77723
Congrats!
What have been your highest highs and lowest lows during this journey?
When Google discontinued their A/B Testing tool - was it surprising for you?
How has the CRO landscape changed out of your perspective in the last 15 years? 1st party tracking, serverside testing, etc.
paraschopra
I think the low was covid - with budget cuts, we had a sudden revenue drop and didn't know when or whether it will recover at all. But thankfully as we had been profitable from day 1, we didn't lay off anyone.
The high is every time we launched a new feature that set the industry standard. (For example, integrating heatmaps into A/B tests and migration from frequentist to bayesian statistics).
Another high has always been our annual international trips - we had been taking our entire company to a vacation every year. As a company, Wingify team has vacationed together in Thailand, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Dubai, Nepal, and Goa. Most recently, ~400 people partied together on a boat in Bangkok, and it was a high!
Yes, Google discontinuing their A/B testing tool was a surprise (but a pleasant one obviously).
CRO over the last 15 years has shifted in maturity. It started with testing red v/s green buttons in 2010 but now it is a full blown science with observations, hypothesis, prioritisation, experimentation and personalization!
shostack
What do you think of the increasingly sparse measurement data available to marketers and the rise of needing to focus on measuring incrementality through statistical experiments when smaller companies may not have enough data to obtain statsig results?
paraschopra
When you don't have enough data, doing usability tests and understanding + applying best practices can help you avoid common mistakes.
mixmastamyk
400 people? Oh, so not a tiny company after all? I was imagining a duo and perhaps a contractor or two.
How did you handle all these employees? Maybe some were family members.
Hello HN,
I'm Paras Chopra, founder of VWO. We're an A/B testing platform that was born here as a Show HN in 2009: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=876141
Today, I sold the company to a private equity firm for $200mn.
It's covered on TechCrunch: https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/23/everstone-acquires-bootstr...
I was a 22 year old fresh graduate when I launched VWO on HN and got initial users. Feedback from people like @patio11 helped me get to PMF. And now, 15 years later, "site:ycombinator.com" is what I appended when I wanted to search for advice on what to keep in mind while selling my company.
Thank you HN for sharing inspiration and wisdom all along. I honestly don't think I would have been an entrepreneur had it not been for hacker news.
Every single day, HN is the first website I open! I'm feeling very grateful towards the community. Thanks @dang, and thank you Paul Graham for your essays and for creating this beautiful corner of the internet!