Turn any bicycle electric
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·January 23, 2025MattSayar
alistairSH
You just pop off your current bike's front wheel and install theirs...
And then you remove your bottle cage to install their battery (hope you don't ride a small frame). And then you install the speed/cadence sensor. Then you install the display/swtich/throttle assembly. Then you wire it all up.
And then you get into all the compatibility problems - many e-bike conversion kits are sold with a freehub that's not the correct size for modern cassettes (comes with HG 9-speed, need an HG 11-speed, XD, XDR, or Microspline freehub). Axle widths and axle type (bolt, QR, thru-axle).
Granted, all the above is easier than it sounds, but it's not quite as simple as "swap wheel, done". You need a working knowledge of bicycles to do this.
Then there's the cost. Basic "unbranded" kits are $500 or so. Brand-name kits, larger battery, or mid-drive kits cost more. Is it worth putting a $500 kit on an old bike that's only worth $100? Or, are you better off buying a new bike with warranty and no need for service for years (which will cost $1500-$3000).
loeg
Cassette compatibility isn't going to be a problem with a front wheel conversion kit.
alistairSH
Fair, though you still have axle standards to consider. If it's a QR bike, it's pretty straightforward. But, most new bikes (in the US) are through-axle and disc brake.
UncleOxidant
I'd be interested in something like the hilltoppers front wheel replacement, but the cheapest one being $550 with only 12 miles range seems like too much. The $899 specs are better, but then you're getting into deciding to maybe just buy a whole $1300 ebike instead of paying $900 for the front wheel replacement. I think if these prices were about half of what they're at they'd be selling quite well.
MattSayar
I don't disagree, however the 12 mile range assumes you won't pedal which of course you will. I have no investment here but I've been a happy customer. I think the ideal customer for these is someone who already has a bike and doesn't want to spend $1300 on a new ebike.
SequoiaHope
Note that’s a front wheel not a front tire! When I first read your comment I was very curious to see how replacing just a tire could help here hah. But yeah that kind of product makes a lot of sense! I DIY’d my ebike using a BBSHD motor and an EM3EV battery. Including the bike the total cost was $3k but this type of setup could seriously replace a car in many locations, except the roads aren’t designed for it. I have plenty of experience riding bikes on public roads but I daydream about shutting down some of the roads and making them an independent bike network. The bike itself is fantastic it’s just cars that make it risky for the average person. We could absolutely accommodate more people biking if we commit to it! Would be lower costs than driving a car and I find it more fun not to be sitting in a huge metal box. My rear rack and panniers hold a lot of cargo and with good rain gear the weather doesn’t slow me down.
MattSayar
I have a bad habit of accidentally using "tire" and "wheel" synonymously, sorry! I updated it, thanks.
nayuki
It's okay, these concepts are frequently conflated. For example when it comes to cars, it is advised to put on "winter tires", but people usually keep an entire set of 4 tires+rims so that they change the wheels instead of the tires.
nradov
Any bike can be an ebike. Not every bike can be a safe ebike. Many cheaper or older bikes have kind of crappy brakes which don't hold up well to frequent stops from high speed, especially with a heavy rider or cargo. This type of ebike conversion can be fine but know what you're getting into before you buy.
New ebikes from reputable brands come with good brakes from the factory.
prmoustache
ebike doesn't mean high speed.
In many countries ebike assistance is strictly limited. Sure an ebike weight more than a regular bike, but the stress in brakes is only an issue in hilly places.
If you ride a bike restricting assistance to 25kph (15mph)/like in most countries[1] and do not hit steep dow hills there are very little reason for you to go faster as going past the assistance limit feels like hitting a sudden headwind. In that case you are riding slower than most cyclists doing recreative cycling on road bikes and are less likely to need strong braking.
[1] in europe you can buy faster ones but they need to be registered like a moped (for those limited to 45kph) or motorbikes, have plates and you usually lose the right to use bicycle lanes. Having said that, a lot of people are breaking the law and never get issues until they are involved in an accident and lose insurance coverage and get fined.
nayuki
> You just pop off your current bike's front tire and install theirs.
Nah, they're selling a complete wheel (wheelset?), which consists of: Axle, electric hub, spokes, spoke nipples, rim, inner tube, valve, valve core, tire.
(Addendum: To any downvoters, I was replying to the parent's original text as I first saw it. They made an edit after my reply, within their 2-hour window.)
xcskier56
Am I missing something... it looks like the chainring is able to spin independently of the pedals, as if they moved the freewheel from the rear hub to the bottom bracket. Without that this would never work like he demonstrates. I've never seen the freewheel on the chainring/bottom bracket on a bike in the US, is this a common in other parts of the world?
aanet
What the what?! This is so cool. I love everything about the demo. No (spoken) words, just a cool functioning product, in its intended uses cases, in different situations -- on fire, soaked in water, soaked in mud.
Even if the product actually did nothing useful (which is not the case here), the video itself a great marketing copy. <3
As a product person, this excites me.
However... I'm curious. This was launched ~2 years ago (per the YT video [1]). What happened? Is this still working? How is the company doing? Any ideas?? I don't see any other videos on their channel. I see some action on their Twitter [2] but sporadic.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFsnS0Yb1Bs [2] https://x.com/dhruvvidyut
world2vec
The demo video on the top of the homepage is awesome. Explains the use case, how it works, key specs and so on, all in a nice smooth video.
jajko
Also transforms anonymous product to some specific cool inventor stuff who as you now know has a sense of humor, and actually understands product testing and target audience. Smart move, well done.
jandrese
That's a quite a look, reminds me a bit of something from the Fallout universe. I'm a bit surprised at the "pedaling charges the batteries" bullet point. That's extremely rare in the e-bike world. 25,000 mph top speed seems somewhat optimistic however.
I assume it means 25 kph top speed, which is on the slower side for e-bikes.
Saris
>I'm a bit surprised at the "pedaling charges the batteries" bullet point. That's extremely rare in the e-bike world.
For the most part it doesn't make much sense for most e-bike users that have power easily available, the time required to charge a battery is a lot (average person puts out about 100-150W) and the average e-bike battery is 500Wh or so, 4+ hours to charge it by pedaling.
A normal mid-drive has clutches specifically to prevent this from happening so you don't get drag from the motor while pedaling without the motor running.
In countries where power is not as readily available it makes a lot more sense.
askvictor
I would be more interested in a bike where braking charges the battery.
For commuting, every traffic light is wasted energy, and cycling on the flat doesn't need much once you're at speed. A commuter with regenerative braking could probably have a much smaller battery, making it lighter too.
aarroyoc
> I assume it means 25 kph top speed, which is on the slower side for e-bikes.
This is the maximum speed for an e-bike in many European countries
masklinn
slightly more nuanced, it’s the maximum speed for assistance to be classified as a pedelec.
1024core
In India, it is common to see "kmph" as an abbreviation for "kilometres per hour". "kph" is also used, of course.
speerer
This made me smile, but I looked it up anyway and it turns out it's a non-SI abbreviation for kilometres per hour.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/kmph
Not common in my country, the UK, but maybe in India? I know the Indian language numbering system has different number groupings, so why not.
joseda-hg
I mean, miles are so rare for non English speakers, that it didn't register to me as weird
bryanlarsen
The correct abbreviation is "km/h", so kmph is closer to the correct one than kph. kph seems like a measure of insane acidity.
Y-bar
If it's about bikes it's obviously about pressure of the tires: kph means kilo-pascal hours. In other words, accumulated pressure over time.
Imustaskforhelp
This is great.
Also interesting that they use .co.in (as in we are from "India") and their name is also very indian . As an indian I actually respect that
Vidyut means electricity in Hindi and dhruv means stars If I remember correctly.
Dhruv is a very common name in India , One of my 5th standard classmate was named dhruv , Like dhruv rathee is a youtuber.
As an indian I appreciate this project. I suppose I have seen it on the Indian shark tank as well but I am not sure!
__rito__
Dhruv, rather its variation- Dhruv-ak means "constant" in mathematics in many Indian languages.
Dhruv Vidyut could be constant electricity, or Dhruv may just be the name of one of the founders or a relative of one of them.
Dhruva also means the Pole Star in many Indian languages.
It could also come from Indian mythology [0].
slackr
https://youtu.be/Hkzreg-m3PY?si=vUMc7mTHEspxIW07 Video includes a tear down
tantalor
Fitting all that (battery, motor, controller, voltage converter, charger) into a small package is pretty impressive.
Mid-drives are certainly superior to hub-drives, so that's another plus.
Can it pedal assist? i.e. only kick on when pedaling. That's often a legal requirement.
Doesn't mention cost, weight, or battery capacity.
I'm assuming most of the parts beyond the aluminum chassis are off the shelf. It would be a nice thing to open source, or at least sell the plans so anybody* can build.
* with access to a machine shop
jandrese
In the video it appears to be only throttle controlled. I have no idea what kind of e-bike regulations India has, but I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is "effectively none". Hopefully they won't make the same mistake many other countries did with the pointlessly complicated class system for e-bikes.
NooneAtAll3
> Mid-drives are certainly superior to hub-drives, so that's another plus.
can you explain the difference for someone who never heard of either?
tln
Mid-drives apply power at the pedal and therefore go through gears, and therefore can go up steeper hills for the power.
Hub drives apply power at the wheel hubs. They are cheaper and smoother (no backlash), so depending on application hub motors may be superior.
Personally I like help up all the hills so mid-drive all the way.
SoftTalker
> Can it pedal assist? i.e. only kick on when pedaling.
Looks like it drives the chain, so unless you have a freewheeling front hub pedaling may not be optional.
reubenmorais
I was confused about that. It looks like it drives the chain, but then in the video after installing it or while riding it he's not pedaling.
But then when watching closely, I can see there's a cut in the video between the device being placed on the frame and him testing it and in the cut the entire bottom bracket has been replaced and the chain is now making a different path through the machine, so I assume the bottom bracket needs to also have a freewheel to make it work, plus you'll need a new chain (or to join a couple of chains) to make it fit.
michaelt
The video is a bit strange: https://youtu.be/SFsnS0Yb1Bs?feature=shared&t=96 It appears to show the front sprocket spinning, but the pedals stationary.
I assume this is a "freewheel crank" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_freewheel
zoklet-enjoyer
Their website says it's about $162
yeureka
I did this to my road bike using a comercial kit: https://boostbike.uk/
It completely changed my commute.
vq
It reminded me of the Sinclair Zeta[0][1]. I hope their product work out better.
jdawg777
This is impressive engineering. So much better than the available ebike conversion kits. I want one!
wiredfool
That could be a really quick retrofit -- looks like only the chain and chainguard would need to change for the standard utility type bike.
Top speed would probably depend on the rear cog, unless they're doing something really sneaky.
I love everything about the demo video on the homepage. It's always fun to see a creator beat up their product and see it withstand the abuse.
As far as "any bike can be an ebike" I'm surprised that Hilltoppers[0] haven't gained more traction over the years. You just pop off your current bike's front wheel and install theirs.
[0] https://hilltopperbikes.com/product-category/electric-bike-k...