Microsoft won't support Office apps on Windows 10 after October 14th

>more bloated.

I cannot believe how slow and laggy even the most basic of Microsoft applications are on Windows 11. Launching something as simple as the calculator takes a second or two to load in. What could it possibly be doing to warrant such a long load time? The 'classic' calculator on previous versions would appear near instantly once clicked.

I am also baffled as to how something like the new right click context menu can have items loading in and then changing the order of icons once they do finish loading on every single click. For example, why does Skype need to have its menu item load every time the context menu is opened? Why not pre-load this on boot? The classic context menu had no such issues.

Rather than go on and on, I sense Product Owners at Microsoft no longer care about fast and performant code.

I used to think gaming would always keep me pinned to Microsoft but with Valve and Playstation out competing them (while spending a fraction of the money) I think I'll never be in their gaming ecosystem again.

The only thing keeping me there on my desktop is games. If CoD would run on Linux, I would delete the Winders partition. I run Mac for my daily driver.

That's great but office won't run on linux mint.

Yeah.. the longer I haven't boot up my Windows installation the more afraid I am do so because of the notifications.

When I have to do something on Windows I use someone elses Win computer if possible.

Nobody knows and it doesn't matter. Even if I knew the correct answer today it will be changed to something else equally nonsensical in a month or so.

And don't get me started on DotNet Framework vs Core vs Standard.

What was Office 365 is now part of Microsoft 365 for your convenience and to prevent you from ever trying any alternative since you're all bundled in.

Along with realizing the buggiest software and cloud products, Microsoft's naming and branding sucks big time.

Exactly - curious how this plays out with Win10 LTSC (officially supported by security updates for years and years). Plus it has no bloat and crap and runs amazingly lean and fast.

Also just realized I use LibreOffice anyways (or something similar) so I suppose this does not even apply to me

It’s less desperate than you think. Windows 11 is 4 years old, so this is just pushing the straggling organizations into an overdue upgrade.

Office and Windows have been a decreasing proportion of Microsoft’s revenue for years. The real money is coming from cloud services in its many forms. Microsoft may not be #1, but they are clearly in a strong position with good growth. Specifically Microsoft is great at onboarding mid sized businesses onto Azure/Teams and then building a big enough moat to keep churn low.

Look at their growth numbers and you’ll see their business is in a strong position. Their cloud position is entrenched. Windows, Office, and Bing are all just bells and whistles to attract people to their real offerings (Teams, Azure, other subscriptions)

> but it looks at times like the company is less an organism and more a writhing mass of creatures in a thin, shared skin trying to make it appear as one.

This is pretty accurate. A bunch of disjointed orgs who get sometimes seemingly random direction from the overlord. The random direction isn't really random, it's whatever move the overlord believes investors will respond to.

Copilot is a great example - shoved ungracefully into every product with the effect of making basic tasks more difficult. But hey - early movement on LLMs makes the stock go up.

They are scared of Google docs and they make it harder to use Office? That doesn't make much sense to me.

I agree more companies should look into MSFT alternatives. Not sure I agree with the rest.

Is there any real competitor to Office 365? I know my current employer would never switch as we need an on-premise email server and that basically means Exchange.

Also, we can blame Microsoft for a lot of things, but I’m pretty sure if Office and Outlook didn’t exist people would find another way to spread ransomware …

and 10 months of support for a PC/Laptop which is being sold right now (like Dell Mini PC 6th-gen model). So is it? Why they were still selling OEM licenses to manufactures for W10 if it was going soon to expire?

But why? The only hardware limitation that prevents organizations from migrating to Windows 11 is TPM.

It's also still the dominant windows install base. So it's a bit aggressive to drop support.

That would be reasonable. What's not reasonable is claiming that millions of perfectly good computers that still perform great must be thrown out and replaced.

That's flat out not ok, end of conversation. This is not the 90s where a computer was obsolete in 6 months anymore.

Apple also deprecates hardware with new OS versions, but they don't do it to millions simultaneously. Additionally, they don't turn their entire previous OS into nagware about upgrading every time they release a new version.

Mature? Yes. Better than Gdocs, debatable, but IMO yes. Replacement for the desktop app? Not quite, but it depends on which feature you specifically need.

I'm using PowerPoint online to make a presentation where .pptx is required.

It's annoying. A lot of features (video cropping, changing slide master title, ...) do not work in the online version. I literally had to ask a colleague to edit the slidemaster title for me.

Also, it's quite slow in loading pictures, videos.

If you live in word/excel, it's far from perfect. If you sometimes need to work in it, it's perfectly fine. It's just a little bit more buggy.

Mature - maybe? It's certainly not a replacement for the application, as the online Word still falls flat on its face when trying to open, or even worse, modify, some of our larger documents.

The online versions are subject to warrantless government surveillance, whereas the local versions can still operate solely on local files and be denied access to the internet entirely.

This is the last private and secure way to use MS products. When that is gone, we’ll be stuck using fake f/oss wannabe-Excel.