Ask HN: What should I do with meet.hn?
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·December 13, 2024spike021
I run a club for a certain car.
The thing is, people generally don't want to be responsible for organizing meetups. Many will happily attend but not host.
My guess is you need to find community leaders who can handle and own the responsibilities involved with hosting meets in their areas.
At the end of the day I don't think a website is going to help convince people to take on that kind of role. It's more of a personality thing.
With my club, we use Facebook events and generally just screenshot the details and further disperse them that way to discord, slack, instagram, etc. But none of that is enough alone for someone to host. Even when it's as simple as picking a meet location and time and sending out invites.
linsomniac
In my experience (which is a lot), like 80% of having a successful gathering is: Picking a date, Finding a location, Letting people know, Keeping it consistent.
I've been involved in organizing well over a thousand geek meetings, either as the primary organizer or on the "steering committee". You're probably right, most people don't want to be responsible for organizing it. But, at the end of the day, someone has to find a place and pick a date and let people know. You don't even have to go crazy with any of those, you could pick a coffee shop or restaurant, unless you get real popular.
spike021
>But, at the end of the day, someone has to find a place and pick a date and let people know. You don't even have to go crazy with any of those, you could pick a coffee shop or restaurant, unless you get real popular.
This is exactly what people don't want to do. Even when the meeting location or time haven't changed in two years.
Believe me, I've had people ask about when the next meeting will be. I tell them I'm unavailable to set things up. I tell them they can feel free to go through the motions, just create the event in the calendar and really just make sure nobody makes a mess or anything during the event.
It sounds simple but again, unless someone has the right personality and drive to be responsible for this...
sirobg
Thanks for the perspective!
I think I have a communication problem with meet.hn.
People seem to assume it has been created to setup these kinds of large meetups.
In fact, I created it for small or even 1-1 meetups in the first place. Meeting a single person or a small group of people seems much more interesting, easy and valuable to me.
Of course I'm not assuming everyone thinks the same way, but don't you think there is an audience for that in the HN community?
spike021
I'd consider the demographics of people who regularly visit HN. Not to put a slight on anyone but I think a good chunk of people on here probably don't enjoy in-person meetups.
Again, IME it's not the size of the meetup but the responsibility.
Even in my example, the average attendance is maybe 10-20 people. Sometimes as low as five people.
And some areas only have 5 or fewer regularly.
datavirtue
We can't even get lead devs on camera.
beng-nl
In my opinion (as some who recently moved out of a big city) it would be very valuable to have an easy way to meet local HN’rs. Either for group sessions or 1-1 or something in between.
I think you’re drawing premature conclusions from the dropoff in signups.
All users are probably in the “now what?” Stage. And if more people knew your site was a way to connect with nearby HNers (ie the value prop was higher and better known), you’d have a lot of interest. So classic chicken egg problem I believe. But there are many successful sites that have broken through this phase. In my opinion you should keep it up.
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aftbit
Hmm if I wanted to meet up with one person from HN, I would just contact them using the details in their profile. If there were no contact details, I wouldn't meet with them. I don't quite see the value for 1:1 meetups I guess.
sirobg
How would you know this person is located in your area or in the area you might visit some time?
I guess you would have to dig, right?
Well, with meet.hn:
1. You don't have to dig
2. People are more willing to meet on average than a random person on the internet
3. You can also check other locations and other people super fast
layer8
What might work better is an HN forum with regional or city subforums (structured based on HN member density). First get HNers living close to each other to communicate, then they will meet up by themselves.
Of course, there’s the moderation issue.
bravura
Kill two birds with one stone:
1) Add functionality to auto-setup digital meetups and invite people within 200mi or something. 2) Let people meet in groups digitally, and maybe that spurs them to meet in person.
throwaway984393
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mritchie712
also, many will signup to attend and bail last minute
diggan
Very true. About Meetup.com specifically (a couple of years ago at least), attending rate was something like 15-20% of the people who RSVP'd.
datadrivenangel
I get about ~40-50% attendance rate from meetup, but we've been going for years so the regulars are pretty consistent.
calpaterson
Higher indeed. 40% no shows for a meetup I run (60-100 slots, meeting monthly)
quuxplusone
True, but this is also an emergent behavior of the Meetup UI. It has no (clear) way to say "I'm interested, might attend, can't commit right now, please remind me day-of." So if you want that reminder — if you want it on your calendar — you have to RSVP as if you were really 100% coming. Meetup doesn't (clearly) offer any other option.
I've RSVPed myself with this intent plenty of times. I'd use a "maybe, please remind me" button if it existed.
Contrast Doodle.com, which offers a "yellow maybe" option intermediate between "green yes" and "red no."
sneak
This is solved by charging $19 or so.
Etheryte
Well yes, but 100% attendance of zero people is still zero people.
sfmz
If you distributed the $19 to the people who did actually show up... you would actually get people to show up... maybe there's some kind of business plan embedded in your comment.
wing-_-nuts
Great way to guarantee I won't attend your meetup
mikeruiz
Can that role be automated? Some sort of community vote on a text proposal from the system, along with rsvp, reminders, etc? people may have more skin in the game if they voted on a time/place.
Automate place and tine selection: under eight in the community? Beer hall with 4+ stars that don’t need reservations. 1:1? Coffee shop. Etc. send over some date time location tuples, hold a vote, maybe do a runoff, whatever.
I know that if I got a flash meetup invite to a coffee shop along with instructions on how to meet people (to the left of the door at 10am sharp) I might actually make time. Worst case I drink coffee, which I was planning on doing anyway.
Basically: take the initiative?
spike021
You can but I think people like the human element that "someone" has put this whole thing together.
At my events for that club, I don't lead anything at the event. I basically make sure people aren't causing any trouble or littering (none of this ever happens but it's just my assumed responsibility).
But I'll notice people asking around to know who set things up. Usually they find me and thank me because they enjoyed meeting other people and learning from each other.
Again, very human kind of thing I think.
maccard
That’s been my experience too. I have a friend who is very involved in a large (250+ people every week, same time same place) - she has a group of volunteers and a rota, who help and set everything up. Her job is mostly keeping those volunteers happy and dealing with the occasional troublemaker (usually in the form of someone forcing themselves into the volunteer role and trying to “make things better” without understanding why things are the way they are.
andoando
Community leaders I feel like leads to having meetups conform to one personality.
Ideally, users need an actual reason to meet.
linsomniac
I don't know about calling them community leaders; someone has to find a place to have the meeting and let people know about it. That can be done without the entire meeting conforming to their personality. But at the end of the day, someone has to do some legwork or it just ain't gonna happen.
spike021
The community leaders in this scenario aren't leading the meeting. I guess it depends on the format of said meeting.
In my case, they really just set the location and time, in addition to making sure nobody is causing trouble, littering, etc.
Other than that, it's a free-for-all.
andoando
I think its more subtle. Whoever is organizing is setting the tone/nature of the meetings.
For example, there is a chess club I wanted to participate in, but the organizer always picks some loud bar, which just isnt my idea of a chess club.
devoutsalsa
Internations, a social platform for the expats & locals, actively encourages people to become event organizers. It makes sense to recruit people willing to host.
Qworg
A few things:
1. The location resolution is too high for regions - ex: all of the Seattle area should lump together and only break apart into smaller locations (Bellevue, etc) when zoomed all the way in.
2. Email notification worked for kismet, but I don't know what the uptake is.
3. Having a way to participate in multiple locations would be useful.
4. Profiles are interesting, but per another poster, finding a way to capture interests and make connections would be even better. Maybe a combination of profile + scrape of comments/submissions/socials to generate profiles (that are only accessible to signed up users)?
dogboat
1. Do this ^^^ keep reminding us!
I think a 3 monthly submission to HN saying "Ask HN: who is looking to meet up" where the comments are used to meet but it is a bit of an ad for your site."
Get a nod from the mod before proceeding though!
blakeburch
I'm definitely a fan of a monthly "Meet HN" thread that others have recommended, if dang would allow it. The ability to post local events and find others currently interested in meeting up could be invaluable.
The biggest bottleneck of the website is constant visibility. I have meet.hn on my profile. I haven't had anyone reach out about it. I kinda forgot that it was there. Having a "Meet HN" thread gives people looking for local connections a consistent and visible way to find others.
I currently run local events on Meetup.com (one personal and one professional). At the end of the day, the audience size there is always going to be larger than through something like this, so I do agree with sirobg that the best fit is for facilitating 1:1 conversations.
Funny enough, I am meeting with someone from HN in Austin next week, but it was purely serendipitous from a cold outreach email where we happened to be working on a similar project and realized we were in the same city.
nox101
Random thoughts.
HN meetings are often organized on meetup.com, eventbrite, etc.... so maybe start linking to those meetngs?
Also, There's an organization called Pechakucha Night. It started in Tokyo by an architecture company. Their format was each presenter gives them 20 images, they run for 20 seconds each on auto-play. So your presentation is exactly 400 seconds long (6 mins, 4 second).
In any case, with no promotion on their part that I know if, people started organizing the same event in other countries. There are 1325 places in the world that have had one of these meetups. 57 meetups happened in November
They run a website that people can post their meetups.
A similar example is Nerd Nite which IIUC followed a similar pattern. Started in one place. Others, inspired, copied.
Anyway, the point is maybe they're a model. Have your site be similar. Maybe contact existing meetups and ask them to add to your event list.
I don't know if a format would help. Nerd Nite is generally three 10-20 minute talks with 20 minutes between. Pechakucha Night is usually 2-3 sets of ~4 talks with a 20 minute break between talks. Maybe suggesting a more fixed format, rather than just "hang out", is a better draw, more likely to attract people to the event?
Also, random observation. Pechakucha night in my city used to be held in a big room with no seats which IMO helped people mingle. They moved it to a place with seats and everyone just sits in their seats with who ever they came with. Similarly, Nerd Nite was at reasonably large venue. They moved to some restaurant like venue and now it's nearly impossible to mingle as there is no room to stand near anyone.
I know you're not necessarily organizing any events but maybe a "guideline" on running events would be useful for encouraging people to organize.
Rendello
I like the idea of the automatic format, I've been to a lot of tech meetups with bad formats, or bad speakers that way overrun their time.
endofreach
Random thought(s): A monthly "Meet HN" post– for each area (per city might be too small?) decide a public location & time and list it.
Or: Maybe one (random) person of that area gets to decide a meeting time & location.
Or: each person can put a location in their profile and a bot will pick the location (randomly or by "count")
sirobg
> A monthly "Meet HN" post– for each area (per city might be too small?)
Per city would definitely be spam! There are 720 cities as we speak.
Or it could not be, but it would require locating them under a specific route like news.ycombinator.com/meet or something.
endofreach
i was thinking rather the meet HN would summarize for all cities, or in the comments or whatever. or just link to a overview site on meet.hn. but anyway, as i said: just random thoughts that were the first ones to go through my mind. might help coming up with better ideas.
crossroadsguy
Suggest users to add an email on meet.hn so that you/host can send email for meetups? They can add an anon throw away email if they want. You may want to verify the hn profile though (hn doesn't have oauth so may be some string in hn profile - okay, it became complicated now).
I mean a way to allow direct communication on city/country level. But if you do Telegram then you are part of a big noise - because every body, their dogs, and their dog's granny have a telegram channel now - many of them too active.
Or - let city/country host/admins make post on city/country portal on meet.hn make announcements, posts to which users can subscribe to if they want (you bypass all the implementation in this manner)
sfmz
Something along the lines of a tweet 'will be programming @starbucks for next 4 hours' ... then if people are in the mood they can spontanously join up. I think this would help bootstrap the more scheduled meetups.
sirobg
If I understand your suggestion correctly, it would require people to already be following the account that's tweeting this.
Also, it would probably require cross posting on Bluesky/Mastodon as from my experience with meet.hn user base, a significant % is not on X anymore (?).
nottorp
> is not on X anymore
Or never was on X :)
Edit: funny enough, the only HN user that registered for my city has X as a social profile. Guess I'll never know more.
Edit 2: tbh why would it be compulsory to have a profile on some social networking thing?
sirobg
> why would it be compulsory to have a profile on some social networking thing?
It's not! In fact you have several other options if you prefer.
sfmz
If its geotagged, it would not require a priori following of the account, just some kind of location search/notification feed.
sirobg
Oh so you mean that users would post anywhere (Bluesky, X, Mastodon, ...) and I would track these posts and then display them in the appropriate location on meet.hn?
Sounds pretty good! If that's not what you meant, please correct me.
Terretta
Speaking of meeting people, here's a new app for managing who you might meet from people in your contacts.
Ev Williams, founder of Twitter and Medium, introduces Mozi, a new social app focused on real-world relationships. Mozi syncs with contacts (hashed so Mozi doesn't know them), keeping data up-to-date and enabling users to connect with others planning to be in the same location and choosing to let a circle know. The app aims to facilitate in-person interactions and strengthen relationships, prioritizing privacy and non-performative features.
The idea is to take the media out of social media, make it just social again. Non-performative, and non-pushy / non-discovery, for "your" people:
https://ev.medium.com/making-social-social-again-0126fa5c6ce...
With no apparent "network effects" yet, will this turn out like Path which was limited to your closest 50 people? Path was such fresh air.
Meanwhile, clay.earth seems better suited for things like meeting people sharing professional interests. But one imagines Mozi has plans...
dheera
> "willing to meet" attribute
The problem is I think everyone is willing to meet if they see mutual value, and unwilling to meet if they do not see mutual value.
sirobg
The attribute wouldn't force you to accept a meeting in any way. It would just be used to display some kind of marker next to your posts on HN.
Then, if readers feel you are interesting to them, they would check your HN profile and contact you using the info in your profile (if any).
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salamo
I live in the South Bay and would be willing to "host". But there's no way to announce a meetup or even reach out to some people.
sirobg
If you want, I can display something similar to this at your location: https://meet.hn/city/43.6534817,-79.3839347/Old-Toronto
Hit me up if interested :)
salamo
Ok, I emailed you.
MrDresden
If I were to go out of my way to meet a stranger via a platform like meet.hn, then I would at least want to meet a person that had interesting opinions/experiences on subjects that we shared an interest in.
Say what you will about internet points, but they can be a decent signalling mechanism.
When looking over the ~50 accounts listed in my current country of residence, these are mostly all <50 karma accounts created in the last 1-3 years.
Which all points to very little engagement on HN (and looking at their comment/submit history confirms this), making it difficult for me to justify the use of my already scarce time in this way.
doruk101
For me the biggest issue is to connect with people. Having a some form of opt-in automatic email chain or private chat for people located in the same city to discuss and connect would be great.
sirobg
> For me the biggest issue is to connect with people
Could you elaborate? what is painful to you?
> automatic email chain or private chat
Any more ideas about that? I think it's similar to the suggestion I made in the post about creating Telegram channels for each location, but I'm not sure.
Also, someone already said they wouldn't join a Telegram channel and would prefer Signal. That really illustrates the kind of challenges I'm facing in trying to bring the HN community together.
doruk101
> Could you elaborate? what is painful to you?
People put one or many links to their accounts. Unless there is a email or an actual social media, it is very hard to pick one of these as a way of connecting people.
For example I saw a lot of accounts with just github (same goes with some of the social medias), I am not sure what to do outside of following it. I would assume there is also a understandable inertia to put your own social account or email directly here.
> Any more ideas about that?
Email-chain would be the easiest. I wouldn't rely on a third party service like Telegram or Signal directly as that would mean losing a lot of people because as you realised it is hard to convince everyone to agree on Apples to Oranges.
One thing that could also work is creating a some form of very simple forum board like interface on the website directly for people to post/comment their invitation/willingness to meet up or how they wish to be contacted about meeting up (maybe with a bit information about what they expect or what you can expect).
It could function like a Facebook Group in a way which served a similar purpose in past.
There could also be a Country/Nation board that will also share same posts as your city so more people can see them. If you would like to discuss in more detail, you can send me a email.
sirobg
A lot of good points here, thanks a lot!
> Email-chain would be the easiest.
It would require users to share their emails to meet.hn, am I right?
> creating a some form of very simple forum board
Might be a good idea as well. It would require more work and maintenance but could be valuable.
morkalork
Haha and here I was going to suggest a discord channel for each location. I checked out the two cities I've worked in and was pleasantly surprised by the number of brave people who added their LinkedIn accounts, and doubly so when seeing some old colleagues as mutuals. Not sure I'd want to add meet.hn to my main, maybe make a "real me alt" specifically for that. I wonder if others have done the same since it's a lot of users with old accounts and no comment histories.
shreddit
I made hn-pm.me exactly for that. You can sign up with your hn username only, no email required. You have to put a random key into your profile during signup, but you can remove it later.
Hey HN! A few weeks ago, meet.hn was released: (Show HN: Meet.hn – Meet the Hacker News community in your city - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41539125)
We are now about 1700 hackers willing to meet each other in almost 700 locations worldwide.
Since then, some requested features and bug fixes have been implemented:
- locations are now searchable and not restricted to a simplistic city-country pair
- locations work with diacritics and diverse languages
- new socials: personal website, email, Mastodon, Discord, GitLab, Google Scholar, YouTube, etc.
- upon user request, I can now showcase your local meetups on your location listing, as it's done for Old Toronto: [1]
About actual meetings, I'm aware of around a dozen so far, but I think many more occurred.
Why am I writing this post?
About 80% of the ~1700 signups happened in the first 36 hours after launch. As expected, signups dropped pretty quickly, and now it gains about one new user every other day.
I think a ton of global value (and local joy) can emerge from HN users meeting each other. That's why I'm writing this post. To answer the question: how can we meet more? and how can meet.hn help?
What I thought about:
1. Implementing RSS for each location: helpful for RSS users only, and not that useful if there are no new registrations.
2. Email notification system: wide audience, but requires users to give their emails.
3. Turning meet.hn into some sort of an atproto [3] project, or at least leveraging it somehow. Might be more Bluesky centric (if we use labels, for example), but maybe not?
4. A bookmarklet which, once clicked when on a HN post, would insert a meet.hn logo next to all user names of users commenting there and registered on meet.hn
5. An HN "proxy website" which would copy HN in every way, but would add the meet.hn logo just like the bookmarklet described point 4 would do, but everywhere and automatically.
6. Create Telegram (or equivalent) channels for each location
But all of these ideas are unideal fixes. The lowest common denominator between everyone on HN... is HN. Hence, meeting right from HN would be best. An MVP for this could be to have a "willing to meet" attribute with a boolean value (like the "showdead" or "noprocrast" attributes). When enabled, an icon would be shown next to the user name in threads.
I talked to dang, and even if the idea of implementing something on HN is not out of the question, it is not on the roadmap yet.
Let's discuss all of this in the comments. Looking forward to hearing what you think.
[1] https://meet.hn/city/43.6534817,-79.3839347/Old-Toronto
[2] https://meet.hn/city/43.6044622,1.4442469/Toulouse
[3] https://atproto.com/