Wealthy foreigners 'paid for chance to shoot civilians in Sarajevo'
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·November 14, 2025sys32768
kstenerud
No, the evidence is an Italian writer who did years of research, including a Bosnian former intelligence officer as a key source. He also uncovered that Bosnian intelligence warned the Italian secret service that this was happening.
There are also specific individuals whose details have been sent to SISMI for investigation.
gruez
>No, the evidence is an Italian writer who did years of research, including a Bosnian former intelligence officer as a key source
I can't read the article, but none of this really contradicts OP's point, which is that all of this hinges on hearsay. Is there any evidence presented that isn't hearsay?
sys32768
So far it sounds like anti-Western and anti-Bosnian Serb propaganda emanating from the 2022 Slovenian documentary Sarajevo Safari with archetypal comic-book style bad guys always referred to as "wealthy foreigners", AKA nihilistic Western elites, the last gasps of pure evil popping from the bubbling froth on the rotting corpse of Capitalism.
hansmayer
I mean serb snipers were already shooting the civilians en masse in Sarajevo. Its not a huge leap from that to lending the opportunity to a few depraved rich idiots. The Epstein files absolutely show you how depraved some rich folks are...
gruez
Doesn't this logic just cause a cascade? eg. "we all know group X is deprived, so it wouldn't surprise me that they did something even more deprived, which lends further evidence for them being deprived!"
dragonwriter
I think you mean “depraved” here, not “deprived”.
nilamo
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hansmayer
Well yeah, I am sure he hanged himself (or was hanged, depending on what really is the truth) because all those folks were visiting his island for drinks and laughs, we'll just disregard the testimonies of the abused girls, shall we?
smallstepforman
There were snipers on all sides doing immoral things. The war in Sarajevo started when a Serbian wedding was shot up in April 1992, causing the Serbs to panic and want to secede from Bosnia & Herzegovina. Then you end up with "rights for this ethnic group but not the other", and a civil war breaks out with geopolitical meddling from foreign wanna-be powers.
hansmayer
No please, stop puking this bullshit...if you believe that, you also believe Princip's assasination of Duke Ferdinand was the underlying cause of WW1 (and not the tensions among the great colonial powers of the time).
causal
Wouldn't be the first time an Italian prosecutor went on a witch hunt based on wild conspiracy theories: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/monster-of-florence-amanda-knox...
egorfine
I have personally known an individual here in Ukraine who wanted to go for a human safari in Eastern Ukraine in the heyday of the previous war with russia, closer to 2014.
All it takes is a mix of morbid curiosity, a bit of boredom, lots of money and a prominent antisocial personality disorder.
Zealotux
And psychopathy.
cm2012
There were many war crimes in Sarajevo, but this one is probably fake. The only evidence for this is some shady testimonies, and it was not backed up in post war testimony of soldiers, flight logs, etc., even though many other war crimes were.
hansmayer
Maybe get yourself acquainted with a topic before you throw up something like this. For reference here is a video of renowned russian poet Eduard Limonow, shooting at Sarajevo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkjPZvz27mg . I guess this video and the "little" fact that the Italian state prosecutor would not just open an investigation based on some hear/say should make it a bit more believable, shouldn't it?
yread
Interesting video. "Poet" shooting at a city with another "poet" Karadzic. Curious that they speak English, wasn't Russian taught at schools in Yugoslavia? And Karadzic's command post being a cable car.
brohee
Limonov was here for ideological reasons. All sides had foreigners in their ranks of various motivations, from the mercenary and the adventurer to the strongly ideologically motivated. What is missing is evidence of people coming there for pure entertainment and paying for the privilege...
hansmayer
Well, that's why the Italians are conducting the investigation, isn't it? No-one claimed it was proved.
ls612
An extortion/blackmail racket then?
notmyjob
This reminds me of that old-web website that sold human meat. Human depravity no’s no bounds.
mellosouls
Plenty of non paywall links covering this story, eg:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3epygq5272o
Italy investigates claims of tourists paying to shoot civilians in Bosnia in 1990s
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mensetmanusman
After the mass graves hoax in Canada, it’s hard to take these stories designed for outrage and ad revenue seriously without more evidence than what is being presented.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/no-evidence-of-ma...
mykowebhn
Do you have another less biased source?
From Wikipedia:
> The Fraser Institute is a conservative Canadian public policy think tank registered as a charity.
This is the first time I am hearing about the mass graves being a hoax.
gruez
Not the OP, but
>As of April 2025, no bodies have been exhumed from the suspected gravesites, largely due to a lack of community consensus on whether to investigate detected anomalies at the risk of disturbing burials.[9] As of January 2024, at least three official excavations had been performed with no bodies discovered, though at least one excavation only investigated a portion of the reported ground anomalies at that site.[10][11][12] Disputes regarding the conclusiveness of the evidence has helped spawn a movement of denialism about the existence of some or all residential school burial sites.[9][13][14] Indigenous groups and academics have dismissed claims of a "mass grave hoax", saying that claimed discoveries of mass graves were present in a minority of stories published by mainstream media and that there had been public misinterpretation of what had actually been announced in 2021.[15
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_sc...
It sounds like the "mass" part of the "mass graves" is disputed, and there's motte-and-bailey on both sides (eg. "you must think nobody/bazillion died in residential schools") muddying the dispute.
Steven420
Only four supposed mass graves have been investigated and all four found no bodies. There is no credible evidence that says there are mass graves
pcthrowaway
It wasn't exactly a "hoax" though, more like sensationalized reporting. Like "so-and-so identified a site where we believe there could be bodies buried" turned into "mass grave uncovered"
Some potential burial sites were investigated, no bodies were found. Unmarked graves in association with residential schools certainly have been found in Canada, and since proving a negative in regards to these claims is untenable, the media is generally reluctant to say "see, there were no mass graves after all"
pyuser583
How do you feel about Quillette? https://quillette.com/2025/02/27/four-years-zero-graves-now-...
gruez
>[Quillette] has been described as libertarian-leaning;[2][3][4] the Columbia Journalism Review called Quillette "the right wing's highly influential answer to Slate",[5] and it has been criticized as an "anti-PC soapbox"[6] and for being "reflexively contrarian".[7]
People who were skeptical at The Fraser Institute are probably also skeptical of Quillette
evanjrowley
If you seek it out, you will video footage of pogroms from that conflict.
Not the exact circumstances as described in the article, but killings were very real.
lifestyleguru
Imagine you can shoot at people, no consequences. Travel somewhere, pay a fee, shoot, then come back to your cozy reality.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/09/the-gaza-famil...
brohee
There seem to be clear admission of war crime, that looks like prime indictment material by the ICC, which could make traveling not so cosy in the future.
Loughla
Daniel Raab can never come back to the United States. And to be honest, I say good, he can stay away.
Ideology is one thing, but he is enjoying killing civilians, knowing they're civilians. Awful.
ignoramous
> fraserinstitute.org/commentary/no-evidence-of-ma...
You've a gripe with outrage and yet... I mean, any think tank can write anything they think and post it to the interwebs. Here's the other side's perspective:
Since the confirmation of community knowledge of suspected unmarked graves in Kamloops, First Nations across Canada have located evidence of the remains of more than 2,300 children in suspected unmarked graves at or near former residential schools and Indian hospitals, according to the report.
But the unauthorized visits to the site are the work of a "core group" of Canadians who continue to deny, defend or minimize the physical, sexual, psychological and emotional abuse inflicted on Indigenous children in the Indian Residential School System "despite the indisputable evidence of survivors and their families," Murray said at a Friday news conference. Denialism and disrespect exacerbate the pain and trauma of survivors and community members trying to grieve and search the grave sites. "Denialism is violence. Denialism is calculated. Denialism is harmful. Denialism is hate," Murray said.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/denialists-t...smithoc
So there is no actual evidence, and you're committing a hate crime if you ask to see evidence or point out that there's no evidence.
If a white person has a drunk uncle or crazy aunt tell a wild conspiracy theory at a family gathering, people dismiss them as a kook. But if an indigenous person does the same thing, it's supposed to be treated as sacred cultural knowledge being passed down?
I have an uncle who swears there are thousands of people who've been killed by Bill and Hillary Clinton. He has lists and websites and links to obituaries about deaths "deemed suicides" or "not investigated" or "unsolved". I don't think that my skepticism about his claims is violence or hate.
ignoramous
> I don't think that my skepticism about his claims is violence or hate.
You realise the investigations are on-going after the initial community-led assessments done with remote sensing tech like GPRs (ground penetrating radars)? This is where this denialism takes an ugly turn.
> If a white person has a drunk uncle or crazy aunt tell a wild conspiracy theory at a family gathering, people dismiss them as a kook.
I mean, new Holocaust mass graves are still being discovered as institutions keep their investigations up using GPRs! You deny those graves, too? Sure Holocaust denialism is filled with "kooks" unto itself, but surely, we're not those kooks? https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327194663_Holocaust...
jalapenof
It was malicious to leap to “genocide” and started burning churches down when there were plausible explanations like a smallpox outbreak.
josefritzishere
Richard Connell wrote the short story "The Most Dangerous Game" on this topic. That was 100 years ago and now it's real.
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f1shy
I absolutely understand the interest and engagement of the HN community. But how is this news for a hacker?
I think this is mainly a political topic, with no relation to science or technology. Or did I miss something?
I flagged it. The discussion is interesting, but I do bot enjoy it in HN. Or at the very least is certainly not what I come to HN for.
JohnMakin
The world does not exist and cater to your whims and likes/dislikes
And the evidence is...a claim by an Italian writer who heard it from a former Bosnian intel officer who heard it from...
But this does remind me of that excellent docu-series The Line about members of a Navy SEAL platoon who accused their chief of war crimes.
https://tv.apple.com/us/show/the-line/umc.cmc.4u53f7zokr7g40...