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YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

INTPenis

In my circle, piracy is making a comeback. We're tired of having to hunt down streaming services, and be extorted for hundreds of euro a month, just to see ads for their own programs.

Streaming was fun for a while, but as always these greedy execs are ruining it.

benbristow

Too many services nowadays. Was fine when it was just Netflix, had mostly everything, no ads, full quality. Nowadays Netflix price has gone up, additional plans for 4K/no-ads, anti-account sharing and less content as content now has gone to Amazon/Disney+/Hulu/Discovery+/Paramount+/Peacock/HBO etc. etc.

Even if you subscribed to them all you'd still not have everything. Sailing the seas, you get everything for free or for a couple dollars a month for a more premium experience.

Time for change.

CaptainOfCoit

> Even if you subscribed to them all you'd still not have everything

And even if you could get all the video itself, it's not guaranteed you'd get the right video+audio+subtitles combination that you want, as everything seems to be negotiated separately.

So while one service could offer the right audio and the right video but not the subtitles you want, another service could have the right video and the right subtitles but instead be dubbed without original audio.

It became a whole mess for people and eventually it was again simpler to just resort to piracy for the even the slightly technical consumers.

snapplebobapple

This is what copyright does though by design. Everyone leverages the monopoly granted by government to maximize profit because its way easier to force people to your service for maximum profit and compete (n offerings rather than everyone ha>ing the same offerings and competing on price and user experience. This is also causing the crazy market dislocation from hige show budgets because they are tryingto invest in their competitive edge when creativity doesnt work on big budgets at all. it needs a constraint to push on.

Barbing

Higher price, 1080p cap, no account sharing… that’s one thing.

But the content issue is just so dumb (and I’m not blaming Netflix).

I suppose next we will have a new streaming service for each film and show.

CaptainOfCoit

Let me pay $0.1 for each episode I watch, make everything available and route to the right entity that should be paid and then offer one cross-platform client that everyone pooled their efforts into. And since we're dreaming, make it a open collaboration with a FOSS client too.

I'd predict most of the piracy would again disappear quickly as long as it's better, faster and has virtually everything people wanna watch. Basically replicate what Spotify did, but more open, so closer to what Grooveshark tried to do I guess.

giancarlostoro

Just let me buy an MP4 legally for $5 and I will buy every movie.

ac29

Hell, I'd be happy to pay full price to have this option.

All my devices run Linux and apparently there is no amount of money that will let me stream paid content above 480p.

fxtentacle

Maybe we'll soon see another round of "piracy as a paid service", just like Napster and the beginnings of Spotify.

jll29

This is a good point.

I paid many movies on iTunes, and there's no way to access that content anymore, certaily not from my Linux (main) machines.

Also, people who "bought" 1984 on Amazon only to see it disappear from their Kindle will not have been amused.

Nobody likes to have things they spend money on cluttered across 20+ services with changing subscription fees and licensing terms. It's a mess.

TechSquidTV

I pirated for many years until Netflix had everything when I was in high school. Roughly around the time I got a job I stopped pirating games and bought everything on Steam. There is still some annoyance with other launchers besides Steam but, I endure.

Its been a long time now but probably around when South Park left Netflix, I started pirating again. Now I have a massive Plex server and home lab dedicated to piracy. AND I STILL PAY ~$20/m for Usenet lol.

CaptainOfCoit

> probably around when South Park left Netflix, I started pirating again

Unrelated, but fun example as South Park is probably the only show on TV that also let people watch the entire show (-latest seasons it seems) for free online! https://www.southparkstudios.com/seasons/south-park

Been like that (in many places) for many many years at this point too :)

crtasm

Depends where you are, I only see short clips on there.

ssl-3

Why so much?

Plex is a pretty light-weight system as long as transcoding is avoided or it has hardware transcoding available to use.

And wrangling Usenet is a fairly simple affair on vaguely modern PC hardware, too.

So all of that stuff runs in the background on the same desktop Linux box that I also use for everything else.

Am I doing it wrong?

CaptainOfCoit

People use separate computers for wide range of reasons. My desktop isn't always running Linux for example, or even from the same partition always, and to run something 24/7 I need to host it not on my for-work desktop. I also run some less trusted software on separate server and network than say Home Assistant and Frigate.

ryandrake

As "lightweight" as it is, you don't even need Plex or a "media server" software. My "media server" has been "files on an NFS share" which has worked for me for the last 15-20 years.

wsatb

Yep. Piracy getting popular is the market telling you something is seriously wrong. The system is currently broken with tens of services each coming in at $10+ per month (and seemingly increasing every quarter).

timmg

> Streaming was fun for a while, but as always these greedy execs are ruining it.

I've been doing a lot more digital purchasing. Like movies and TV shows. I know there is some risk to the services shutting down. But Disney's MoviesAnywhere mitigates that some.

I typically buy stuff when it is on sale. Generally a digital movie is (way) cheaper than a single ticket at a theater. And I've kinda built a decent sized library where I usually can find something to watch.

And, generall, my library is way better than Netflix at any given time. (Though I still have a couple(!) streaming subscriptions...)

gchamonlive

> digital purchasing

That's an oxymoron if you can't have a local copy

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dmix

I also started torrenting again after I got tired of the quality of streaming content. But I still use Youtube all the time.

jonesjohnson

I really love newpipe[1]. No ads, continue playing with screen switched off, download option, and i appreciate the lack of recommendations (This way I only see news from the channels I'm subscribed to and don't get drawn into a recommendation-loop).

I'm not sure what will happen to it once google enforces their developer registration thing [2]. I assume that f-droid and newpipe will still work on rooted phones, but in general I don't like the direction in which this is going...

[1] https://newpipe.net/ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45409794

captainkrtek

The cycle of:

Cable TV

Cable TV with a million add-on packages, eg: “oh you want to watch hockey? Thats extra. Oh you want this channel too? Different add-on”

A couple streaming services

Tons of streaming services with a mess of territorial ownership, eg: Thursday night football on Amazon, other games on different services.

We just took the cable + tons of packages model and instead ended up with a ton of services.

These days I just have HBO, Netflix, and pay for ESPN for Hockey, and even those 3 feel ridiculous. I can see why piracy is easier and more appealings

gorbachev

I time shift with torrents. Tivo is dead, long live the new Tivo!

Most live sports events come out as torrents 2 - 3 hours after. Sometimes sooner.

softwaredoug

My personal theory on this is prestige TV is in a recession.

After Game of thrones season 8, people wonder why they should invest into a show when there’s a high chance it won’t pay off. Even for a good show it can feel like work. That plus the high cost for studios and over abundance of supply, meant studios pulled back.

Instead we’re seeing a reemergence of low effort TV. And YouTube plays nicely into that.

At some point this pendulum may swing back (remember in 2000s when everything was low effort reality TV).

ac29

> After Game of thrones season 8, people wonder why they should invest into a show when there’s a high chance it won’t pay off.

GoT was going downhill way before the final season. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by investing in a show. TV watching should be enjoyable, you dont have to watch things you dont like hoping for a payoff later on.

speak_plainly

There was a time when the algorithm was truly amazing and the recommendations were smart, spot-on, and mostly high quality. I don't know what happened but you have to search now for decent content.

The recommendations part of YouTube just seems to give me old content or will show me things I've already watched. Despite it feeling almost user-hostile, I still use Youtube,

gorbachev

Not that TV is all that great most of the time either, but if YouTube is the future I feel sorry for people who have to live in that timeline.

As a thought exercise, what would YouTube recommend as related videos next to Breaking Bad episodes?

zacmps

NileRed?

zkmon

Monopolistic online platforms such as amazon, youtube, netflix arise due to quantum nature of the internet. Lack of spatial location. lack of time duration, lack of distance, instant multiplicity with identical copies are all quantum things attributable to information at speed of light. For life on Earth, locations, distances, time durations, lack exact copies are natural. So Internet directly interfers with everything that is natural. Platforms like Amazon can spawn millions of virtual workers attending to the needs of every customer. This conflicts with natural limitations of traditional businesses and thus destroys decentralization and localization that is vital to human life.

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jll29

I remember when people laughted off the valuation at the time of Google acquiring YouTube.com ($1.65 billion). With the benefit of hindsight, this was a wise move that has payed enormous dividends, and more benefits no doubt still lie ahead.

froobius

YouTube has so much questionable content on it that gets millions of views... Parents who've found ways to monetize their kids. Dangerous / unpleasant pranks being pulled on members the public. Conspiracy theories. Fake game shows where the winners being given money are actually friends of the host. Or where the host pretends contestants are doing something dangerous, but actually it's CGI, (misleading young viewers into thinking the dangerous stuff is real / fun). Morons making content that's attractive to kids who don't know better. Etc.

While there is some quality content on there, the amount of terrible content getting vast amount of views is pretty high.

I guess one question is whether TV is much better.. I would say on average it probably is less bad, although there have also been / are questionable unethical tv shows. But at least with TV shows there's more likely to be a few more layers of questioning / analysing / looking at the ethics, with responsible people involved.

shinycode

Maybe a business/layer would be needed (if that doesn’t exist yet) that pick « best quality » content and provide a curated list as a channel ? YouTube is just the whole catalog. I would definitely like that, channels and curated content from YouTube because I lost so much time finding great content sometimes that it’s sad.

krisoft

The fundamental way how youtube content is organised is channels. You find a few channels you like, you watch their back catalogue and you subscribe to their new content.

And it is indeed a business layer too. The people making the channel gets paid for their trouble per views. Each channel is a little brand with their own idea of what kind of content they will give to the viewers and in what shape and what kind of quality.

I’m sure what you describe is different from this in some way, but it is weird reading that you wish youtube had channels without mentioning that it already has them.

> because I lost so much time finding great content sometimes that it’s sad.

Idk if you are pickier than me, or have even more niche tastes than I do, because in my experience youtube is full of great content.

analog8374

You don't like conspiracy theories?

You prefer everybody agrees with the truth?

benbristow

Conspiracy theories nowadays are about a year away from being conspiracy fact. Digital ID is being HEAVILY pushed by the Labour government in the UK. Scary times.

analog8374

If I was a billionaire I would prioritize identifying, monitoring and controlling the underclass.

ambicapter

Is that why Youtube has become unwatchable?

hectdev

It's a tool like anything else. I learn SO MUCH from Youtube. Watching someone DIY something where they show all the steps, makes it so accessible. I then learn from them and create some really intricate things from different domains without any formal training. I'm talking car repairs, electrical engineering, woodworking, metal work, gardening, 3d printing. The list goes on and on.

cantor_S_drug

I don't understand, why isn't Youtube social yet. By that I mean why can't I subscribe to other recommendations by creator of the channel Posy or Martijn Doolaard or Sisyphus 55.

magicalhippo

In the web version, at the bottom of the channel page, there's a list of which subscribers that creator subscribes to, no?

At least that's how I interpreted that section.

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jorvi

Google is planning to connect vidgen to YouTube.

Expect a full-on slop tsunami, with people running bots that first generate half facts and outright hallucinations from Gemini, and then generate a visual tutorial for it to post to YouTube.

"For the DIYer, a tutorial on strengthening beams. Step 1: rub glue on them."

pengaru

It's true... but such an awful double edged sword.

I have quite a bit of experience as an auto mechanic, and love using youtube to find footage of something I'm considering doing or some item I'm considering buying. Just the effort+time savings alone is a game changer. Previously I would download FSMs for something I was considering acquiring to see what it's really like to work on / maintain / something of the internals, to minimize risk of buyer's remorse.

However, most the videos I find of people DIYing things are utter trash when it comes to actual guidance. The readily available footage of internals and failure modes is super valuable, but most these videos will do more harm than good when actually listened to. It's a whole lot of the blind leading the deaf. And the youtubers generally speak authoritatively about things they're clearly doing incorrectly to anyone experienced.

We had the same problem in the web forums era, but the conveniently accessible instructional video format strikes me as far more problematic. At least in the web forums it was entirely a conversational text format, so you were already in the context of reading comments, and the discussion would usually call out idiots immediately front and center. In the youtube videos, especially viewed on mobile, the comments are something you must seek out past the ads, must mode switch from watching tv to reading something, and are usually filled with morons anyways.

ryandrake

The major problem with relying on YouTube content for general automotive diagnosis and repair is that it doesn't tend to be general purpose. It's always "how this one guy fixed this one problem on this one car." A video could have a title like "Fixing a 2002 Toyota Corolla that won't start" but all it shows is the guy jumping right into replacing his fuel pump. There can be many other reasons that a 2002 Corolla won't start, but you're going to have to search through 100s of other videos to find the one that exactly matches your car's root cause, which you don't know until you diagnose it yourself.

The repair steps tend to range from so-so to excellent. The diagnosis steps are almost always very lacking.

hectdev

I could see that. Some times I'll also use it to gain consensus from a few different creators. The best ones will show when they fail so its a learning experience for everyone.

mouse_

Google figured out how to get all those creators to work for free, to put a nice coat of paint on their fascism Trojan horse. It's a tool of oppression, masquerading as a tool of expression.

pixel_popping

sure, but it doesn't mean that the tool isn't actually useful. Gmail collects all your data, but it's still a great service.

Workaccount2

Google gives creators 55% of ad revenue.

ls-a

Yet it still has the worst UI/UX for a TV

analog8374

In a word, way less free. And more commercials.

All you pirates with your archives and torrents. You are Luke Skywalker here.

dmix

Youtube subscription is worth it IMO. No ads, just have to deal with live reads but youtube has a skip button for those.

ac29

> just have to deal with live reads

Sponsorblock takes care of >95% of those.

benbristow

SmartTube on Android TV. Brilliant, makes YouTube usable, Sponsorblock baked in.

giobox

Sponsor block is much less useful now Premium subscriptions have the "skip commonly skipped section" feature, which is always the sponsored content. With the addition of this, you can avoid ads and sponsors well enough now on Premium for me.

I was pleasantly surprised YouTube came out with a first party tool to skip sponcon.

> https://dataconomy.com/2025/07/30/youtubes-ai-powered-jump-a...

benbristow

I can imagine creators aren't going to be happy about that. Can't see it lasting long.

Workaccount2

I don't understand why you wouldn't just get yt premium. You get the same features and it pays out well. YouTube premium views are like gold nuggets for creators.

benbristow

No Sponsorblock (so doesn't block ads by creators themselves, the cliches like NordVPN/SquareSpace etc. you have to manually skip)

They also keep upping the price every so often. SmartTube is free.

I had YouTube Premium via a VPN subscription then they cracked down on it, sod em! Why do I have to pay more because I'm a Brit than if I were an Indian? Don't bull me on "because I live in a Western country I've got a better salary etc.". If they can afford to provide it to Indians for a lower price then why would it cost them more to provide it to me? Same bandwidth costs. Greed.

pzmarzly

Does YT Premium have something Luke SponsorBlock? Can I press a button to remove Shorts from search results? Can I reenable seeing dislikes under videos to know which ones are not worth watching?

If not, then I still need to have a custom app/browser extension... at which point why would I pay for subscription anyway?

analog8374

So I'm watching a thing on youtube. 5 minutes in I get a commercial.

SmartTube can seamlessly delete that commercial?

benbristow

Yes, no ads from Google's side and ads by creators themselves (e.g. Raid Shadow Legends, SquareSpace, Manscaped, NordVPN etc. etc.) get skipped via a community-sourced database called Sponsorblock.

https://sponsor.ajay.app/

(Sponsorblock is also available as a browser extension for most browsers but has an open API for other developers to use)