ICE obtains access to Israeli-made spyware that hack phones and encrypted apps

In some ways i think the most interesting aspect is that US federal government has to outsource its spyware.

Is it just that the NSA is unwilling (legally prevented?) to share their toys? Its hard to imagine they don't have capabilities like this.

As usual, I want to point out how silly these analyses are, because there is a whole ecosystem of companies (incl. several directly connected to major US defense contractors, and many more across the NATO countries) that provide exploit development and maintenance and implant technology. The only reason you hear about companies like Paragon is because they're comfortable being named; the ones you haven't heard about are more capable and more plugged in.

Every time a story on HN comes up about how bug bounties are underpaid and how much exploits are worth, I recite the bit about how serious grey-market vendors can run up the score on a serious vulnerability by (1) selling the same vulnerability to every IC/LEO agency in allied countries and (2) selling maintenance contracts to convert those agencies into recurring revenue. These are the companies I'm talking about when I say that. I'm never thinking of Paragon.

Of course ICE has exploit and implant tech.

> [Paragon] has said that [...] it only does business with democracies. It has also said it has a no tolerance policy and will cut off government clients who use the spyware to target members of civil society, like journalists.

> Paragon also refuses to disclose who its clients are and has said it does not have insight into how its clients use the technology against targets.

Well colour me convinced!

The nature of the exploits is surely secret, but I wonder if Lockdown Mode is at all effective at blocking these attacks.

There are three main categories of entry into a device via zero-days: WhatsApp/Signal, SMS/MMS, and Firefox/Chrome/Safari. If these can be isolated, entering a device could become harder.

Ehud Barak was on Paragon's board of directors. Barak also invested with Epstein in Carbyne:

https://www.jns.org/jns/benjamin-netanyahu/23/6/2/292333/

Other data collection/surveillance software from the Epstein circle include PROMIS (Robert Maxwell allegedly sold a backdoored version), Chiliad (FBI search software, Christine Maxwell, seems legit) and CargoMetrics (Ghislaine Maxwell's husband, maritime container tracking).

Important story for sure, but this reporting is subpar IMO.

> When it is successfully deployed against a target, the hacking software – called Graphite – can hack into any phone. By essentially taking control of the mobile phone, the user – in this case, Ice – can not only track an individual’s whereabouts, read their messages, look at their photographs, but it can also open and read information held on encrypted applications, like WhatsApp or Signal. Spyware like Graphite can also be used as a listening device, through the manipulation of the phone’s recorder.

"When it is successfully deployed against a target" is obviously doing incredible lifting here - how is it deployed, and how does The Guardian know whatever details it knows (and isn't sharing)? Is there a background whistleblower between the lines here, or is this just paraphrasing the Wired reporting from last year?

> John Scott-Railton, a senior research at the Citizen Lab at the University of Toronto, who is one of the world’s leading experts on cases in which spyware like Graphite has been abused by governments, said in a statement that such tools “were designed for dictatorships, not democracies built on liberty and protection of individual rights”.

Kind of an odd take shoved into the middle of the article. Presumably this "Senior Research" [sic] had much more to say and this was the quote that The Guardian used. Regardless of for whom these exploits were "designed", obviously we know that power corrupts, and that this corrupting power can push liberal states into more totalitarian states (the article even cites Italy as an example of this).

> The US government has in the past resisted using spyware technology made outside the US because of concerns that any company that sells technology to multiple government agencies around the world represents a potential security risk.

Again, unsourced and unexplained. What does "resisted" mean - is this describing the Biden executive order? Or prior executive procurement policies? Or laws? Clarity is very important here and is not forthcoming.

> “As long as the same mercenary spyware tech is going to multiple governments, there is a baked-in counterintelligence risk. Since all of them now know what secret surveillance tech the US is using, and would have special insights on how to detect it and track what the US is doing with it,” Scott-Railton said. “Short of Paragon cancelling all foreign contracts, I’m not sure how this goes away.”

...again, I want to give this guy the benefit of the doubt. This reads like it was a long interview and The Guardian probably cherry-picked parts of it.

But how this goes away is: we learn how the exploit works and develop countermeasures.

The indication (well, insinuation really) is that the exploit takes control of the OS of the phone, not that it amounts to any new cryptographic vulnerability. So, how does that happen?

The discussion on the front page of HN yesterday on the thread, "We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own" was refreshing and felt like the first real consensus we've had around here on this topic in several months. Specifically, it seems like we all now agree that our mobile devices have reached a combination of complexity and (state-assisted) corporate control that they are no longer safe for everyday use.

And it's important to point out (and I'll bet that Scott-Railton did, in parts of the interview that weren't used for the article), it's not only (perhaps not even primarily) a matter of personal safety from our devices, but an inevitable degradation of societal power structures into surveillance states that necessarily arises from this concentration of power.

I do not believe that there is an avenue for addressing this via institutional influence - the cited examples of Saudi Arabia, Italy, and the United States, despite having dramatically different configurations of state authority (and, probably in most people's minds, levels of legitimacy as states in the first place), all present identical attack surfaces in the face of "Graphite" and similar exploits.

The ongoing imperative is the construction and maintenance of an internet which does not recognize state authority and on which censorship and surveillance cannot be conducted via state fiat.

The amount of companies actively using Israeli spyware like BrightData and Imperva is outstanding. All their data goes through their networks. I don't trust any government led site because they are all incredibly incompetent and corrupt. The United States is on their last legs.

I feel the key change we as civilians need is to move to a non-local stored detail. Where our devices are access points to decentralised mesh networked apps. These companies and governments have been proven time and time again to not obey appropriate measures for invalid reasoning.

"[Paragon] has said that ... it only does business with democracies."

That's rich coming from a company in a country that is committing genocide and has run an apartheid regime for decades.

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It's nice when people, countries, and organizations can collaborate to make the world safer.