Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

Anecdotally: Azure is the Teams of cloud services - nobody uses it voluntarily or because it's technically the best solution.

They use it because the corporation mandates it.

Visual Studio is a bad example. It's used for Windows, Web, and Mobile. The big difference between the two is the cost. Visual Studio Pro is $100/month, Enterprise is $300/month, while VSCode is free. It was an incredibly smart marketing play by Microsoft to do that.

> Microsoft owns 49% of OpenAI

Power at OpenAI seems orthogonal to ownership, precedent or even frankly their legal documents.

  > At some point Visual Studio seemed to be a legacy app only used for Windows-specific app development. Then they released VSCode and boom!

The irony is that most people don't know how to use the word ironic. Personally I blame Alanis Morissette.

Yeah, there's no irony.

Apple and Google will never choose to integrate Microsoft's services or products willingly.

It would have been more surprising if they decided to depend on Microsoft.

The irony is that Microsoft has several cases where it gets there first, only to be left behind when competition catches up.

Bing is irrelevant, VSCode might top in some places, but it is cursor and Claude that people are reaching for, VS is really only used by people like myself that still care about Windows development or console SDKs, otherwise even for .NET people are switching to Rider.

People were writing to UWP. There were hundreds of UWP apps that got cancelled and abandoned when Microsoft ditched their Windows Phone once Nadella got in. He kill Windows Phone, he killed native Edge (Chakra JS) and a lot of other stuff to focus fully on Cloud and then AI.

Before that ex-Microsoft guy was responsible for killing Nokia OS/Meego too in favor of Windows Phone - which got abandoned. What a train-wreck of errors leading to the mobile phone duopoly today.

UWP was more than just phones, https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2015/03/02/a-firs...

And Windows 11 was the reboot of Windows 10X,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztrmrIlgbIc

Copilot subscription?

I've been getting monthly emails that my free access for GitHub Copilot has been renewed for another month… for years. I've never used it, I thought that all GitHub users got it for free.

Out of all of big tech, Microsoft is by far the worst at naming stuff. Its comically bad most of the time.

Different CoPilot product. Typical Microsoft naming confusion.

Off by about 33,999,998 users, but still a decent dunk.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/06/apple-now-has-ove...

I just installed it—definitely not a toy.

Compared to stock Claude Code, this version of Claude knows a lot more about SwiftUI and related technologies. The following is output from Claude in Xcode on an empty project. Claude Code gives a generic response when it looked at the same project:

    What I Can Help You With

    • SwiftUI Development: Layout, state management, animations, etc.
    • iOS/macOS App Architecture: MVVM, data flow, navigation
    • Apple Frameworks: Core Data, CloudKit, MapKit, etc.
    • Testing: Both traditional XCTest and the new Swift Testing framework
    • Performance & Best Practices: Swift concurrency, memory management

    Example of What We Could Do Right Now

    Looking at your current ContentView.swift􀰓, I could help you:
    • Transform this basic "Hello World" into a recovery tracking interface
    • Add navigation, data models, or user interface components
    • Implement proper architecture patterns for your Recovery Tracker app

And people talk to GPT about very private things, using it as a shrink. What can go wrong.

> For your second example: treat interactions with LLMs as an ongoing conversation, don't expect them to give you exactly what you want first time. Here the thing to do next is a follow-up prompt where you say "number eight looked like zero, fix that".

Personally, I treat those sort of mistakes as "misunderstandings" where I wasn't clear enough with my first prompt, so instead of adding another message (and increasing context further, making the responses worse by each message), I rewrite my first one to be clearer about that thing, and regenerate the assistant message.

Basically, if the LLM cannot one-shot it, you weren't clear enough, and if you go beyond the total of two messages, be prepared for the quality of responses to really sink fast. Even by the second assistant message, you can tell it's having an harder time keeping up with everything. Many models brag about their long contexts, but I still feel like the quality of responses to be a lot worse even once you reach 10% of the "maximum context".

Did you try claude code and spend actual time going back and forth with it, reviewing it's code and providing suggestions; Instead of just expecting things to work first try with minimal requirements?

I see claude code as pair programming with a junior/mid dev that knows all fields of computer engineering. I still need to nudge it here and there, it will still make noob mistakes that I need to correct and I let it know how to properly do things when it gets them wrong. But coding sessions have been great and productive.

In the end, I use it when working with software that I barely know. Once I'm up and running, I rarely use it.

FWIW, I used Gemini to write an Objective-C app for Apple Rhapsody (!) that would enumerate drivers currently loaded by the operating systems (more or less save level of difficulty as the OP, I'd say?), using the PDF manual of NextStep's DriverKit as context.

It... sort of worked well? I had to have a few back-and-forth because it tried to use Objective-C features that did not exist back then (e.g. ARC), but all in all it was a success.

So yeah, niche things are harder, but on the other hand I didn't have to read 300 pages of stuff just to do this...

I agree, but I think there's an important distinction to be made.

In some cases, it just doesn't have the necessary information because the problem is too niche.

In other cases, it does have all the necessary information but fails to connect the dots, i.e. reasoning fails.

It is the latter issue that is affecting all LLMs to such a degree that I'm really becoming very sceptical of the current generation of LLMs for tasks that require reasoning.

They are still incredibly useful of course, but those reasoning claims are just false. There are no reasoning models.

In other words, the vibe coders of this world are just redundant noobs who don't really belong on the marketplace. They've written the same bullshit CRUD app every month for the past couple of years and now they've turned to AI to speed things up

Yeah, my experience with LÖVR [0] and LLM (ChatGPT) has been quite horrible. Since it's very niche and quite recently quite a big API change has happened, which I guess the model wasn't trained on. So it's kind of useless for that purpose.

---

[0]: https://lovr.org

He asked what he was doing wrong?

I tried this myself and IMO, this might be basic and day-to-day for you, with unambiguous correct paths to follow, but this is pretty niche nevertheless. LLMs thrive when there's a wealth of examples and I struggle to Google what you asked myself, meaning that LLM will perform even worse than my try.

I found that second line works well for image prompts too. Tell one AI to help you with a prompt, and then take it back to the others to generate images.

Is there a way to do this kind of design->critique->implement without switching tools? Like an end-to-end solution that consults multiple LLMs?

> It may sound silly, but it's simply not good at can2D.

It's not silly at all, it's not very good at layouts either, it can generally make layouts but there is a high chance for subtle errors, element overlaps, text overflows, etc.

Mostly because it's a language model, i.e it doesn't generally see what it makes, you can send screenshots apparently and it will use it's embedded vision model, but I have not tried that.

This could change on a daily basis, and it's a valid concern anyway.

There is automatic code indexing from Cursor.

Autocomple is also automatically triggered when you place your cursor inside the code.

This is HN. 10 years ago that would be true, but now I expect 99% of commenters to have newer used the thing they are talking about or used it once 20 years ago for 10 minutes, or even nkt read the article.

> There is no AI integration that runs automatically on a codebase.

Don't be naive.

Gitkraken does

They both support it via plugins. Xcode doesn’t enable it by default, you need to enable it and sign into an account. It’s not really all that different.

thanks for giving the security department more reasons to think that way.

I spent the last 6 months trying to convince them not to block all outbound traffic by default.

There are ranges of security concerns and high confidentiality.

For most corporate code (that is highly confidential) you still have proper internet access, but you sure as hell can't just send your code to all AI providers just because you want to, just because it's built into your IDE.

you can use the API key, and it’ll give you access to all the model.

This is Claude sign in using your account. If you’ve signed up for Claude Pro or Max then you can use it directly. But, they should give access to Opus as well.

https://templeos.org/

Wouldn't the more correct analogy be a text editor without "Klippy?"

I hate that most browsers are willing to render React SPAs.

Really?

I think it's a pretty good word, let's not forget how LLMs learned about code in the first place... by "stealing" all the snippets they can get their curl hands on.

Okay dann lass die Ablage erst laufen ohne Teig dann kannst du mit Teig machen wenn du übergaben machst zwischen 13:30 und 14:00 Uhr dann bitte schichtführer/in Bescheid sagen bzw. geben tschüss

I couldn't get it to properly syntax highlight and autosuggest even after spending over an hour hunting through all sorts of terrible documentation for kate, clangd, etc. It also completely hides all project files that aren't in source control, and the only way to stop it is to disable the git plugin. What a nightmare. Maybe I'll try VSCodium next.

Kate is brilliant.

Amusing that Emacs that came out of the MIT AI lab, and heavily uses Lisp, a language that used to be en vogue for AI research.

neovim will support llms natively (though a language server) https://github.com/neovim/neovim/pull/33972

How do you use it with Jetbrains? Junie? Or just as a separate CLI session?

The annoying thing is the official Swift extension can sometimes flag errors in perfectly fine code with zero problem in Xcode. So I’m forced to live with persistent “errors” when editing in VS Code/Cursor.

I’m building my first iOS app ever so I know it has much more to do with me not understanding Xcode but getting builds to succeed after making changes with Claude code has been a nightmare. If you or anyone have any tips, guides, prayers, incantations for how to get changes in one to not clobber the other and leave me in xproj symlink hell I would be so grateful.

Same, only it's Zed for me and Claude Code in a terminal

Likely so it can auto suggest, directly edit code, integrate properly etc