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Australia Post halts transit shipping to US as 'chaotic' tariff deadline looms

rvnx

US thinks they are irreplaceable and the center of this world.

At this end this just pushes India, Vietnam and China into the arms of the rest of the world.

Then US is going to be left alone with their precious pure home-made products like Twinkies, Spam, American cheese or Budweiser.

The great brands are going to go more and more offshore, like Apple or Google already does.

nailer

Vietnam is one of the first countries to get a trade deal. India will get one when they decide to stop funding the Russian war machine.

lenkite

Considering that US is now funding the Pakistani war machine, India knows which side to pick.

nailer

Kashmir and Ukraine are very different situations.

throw0101c

> Vietnam is one of the first countries to get a trade deal.

Mexico and Canada also had trade deals, which went from Trump calling it "the largest, most significant, modern, and balanced trade agreement in history":

* https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/pr...

To Trump asking "Who would ever sign a thing like this?":

* https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-accidentally-insults...

nailer

Oh agreed Trump has no consistent narrative. However the deals have generally been good for the US.

exasperaited

To the malignant narcissist, the past, present and future are more or less the same. All grievances in the past are as bad as all the grievances they have in the present or can imagine in the future.

No deal with Trump is ever closed because the past isn't really the past.

This is now how we must view the USA, which is -- at a foreign and trade policy level at the very least -- indivisible from his mindset.

pydry

They already made it pretty clear that if America forces them to choose, they pick Russia.

bamboozled

It's really wild...a billion people in that country too, not a smart move.

watwut

Considering USA appears to basically change sides to Putin, nah, USA does not mind Russian war machines. USA president admires them.

Also, those trade deals are not worth much.

graemep

Into whose arms precisely? India into China's? Not likely! This is what the US government is counting on - they only need to be a better alternative than China.

The US has a lot of power, that only China comes close to matching. The dominance of the US in certain fields (like IT hardware, software and services, payment services) makes most countries dependent on the US.

> The great brands are going to go more and more offshore, like Apple or Google already does.

Offshore what? Manufacturing? US tariffs do not affect offshoring to sell to other countries, but the US is a huge market for all those brands.

lm28469

100 years ago the British Empire ruled the world, today it's a small island nobody care about.

People underestimate how fast things can move

arethuza

The GDP of the USA overtook that of the British Empire in 1916 (which is actually a lot later than I was expecting):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_British_Empire

7952

Surely hardware has much more of an economic moat than software, services, and payment services. And the manufacturing of that is dominated by China and to a lesser extent Korea and Taiwan. All of whom have an interest in seeing hardware take a greater cut of value and for software to be commoditised. And it is common and possible for powerful countries or regions to build alternatives. India already has a payment system that is larger than Visa for digital and includes P2P and P2M.

bamboozled

With all due respect, can you outline why the current version of America is actually better than China? I mean China has major issues but I'm starting to lose sight of what makes the USA a better more trustworthy ally who protects freedom and democracy? I'm not saying "it's over" but there are a lot of troubling signs it's going in the wrong direction fast.

In the case of India and China, I think it's more of a case of India becoming more independent, which is "good" on the one hand ,but probably terrible for American hegemony and they will just side more with Russia and continue to buy resources from them.

I'm not sure if Americans can really grasp how their soft power around the world is vaporizing by the day. Even at it's peak, probably Obama era, I wouldn't say America was default popular, now, I don't know what to say but it's really looking as if people are just deciding to move on from the American experiment as we realize it might not be coming back. Look at places like Switzerland cancelling orders of F35s, just a coincidence ?

I guess smaller countries aren't being left with much choice, that's the fundamental issue.

Edit: I'm not worried about the down votes, but I also think it's sad and maybe even a sign that people have sore feelings about reality?

safety1st

I appreciate that you asked the question and actually want to learn about foreign affairs between two non Western countries! So to just scratch the surface, China and India had a full blown war in the 1960s and have had armed conflict on their shared border many times, most recently in 2021.

Meanwhile China actually INVADED Vietnam in 1979, four years after the US-Vietnam War ended!

Both of these countries view China as an immediate potential military threat because it is one, they have fought actual wars with it.

It's so wild how there are all these Western liberals who think Trump is somehow worse than this, I don't even like the guy but these people obviously don't know shit about the history of the region. The history is China warring with these countries!

noirscape

Most of the US's power is contingent in part on them not rocking the boat too much. That's what the current US administration is destabilizing; by harming its own allies, those allies in turn are starting to look for other options. With the exception of IT software, the US has little dominance in any individual sector. IT hardware largely isn't produced in the US, it's produced in Taiwan (TSMC) and Europe (ASML), and then assembled in China.

Payment services aren't a source of US power, they're a consequence; the US allowed itself to be a delivery market, making those payment services a soft requirement for anyone dealing with the US. If anything, the US payment networks are generally seen with scorn outside the US; they're painfully dated (US banks largely rely on a system designed for physical cheques to this day) and the companies running them are often subject to the whims of astroturfing activists, resulting in legal transactions being blocked because someone thinks buying porn is icky, even though it's legal. US payment companies are also notorious for being hard to get a hold of to enforce your rights as a customer; Paypal has to follow several EU laws, but they mostly dodge enforcement by putting their HQ in Luxembourg, which is so small that they can effectively employ all well-paid financial lawyers in that country, leaving any duped customers with very little options because of conflicts of interests.

Most of the worlds dependence is on the US as a delivery market; if the US stops being attractive (ie. because it's too expensive bc of tariffs for US importers to buy goods), then the world will gradually compensate, even if it is economically unpleasant for a while. The only other dependence is military, but don't worry there; the US is doing a great job making it's military allies realize that it's bad at helping them, since POTUS is actively interested in working with the enemies of the US instead.

Offshoring is going to become more common because of how the tariffs are blanket rates; if I am going to make a product, there's only two possible options to avoid tariffs as much as possible: only import primary goods to the US and process everything on-site (keep in mind, you're still paying a tariff for even these materials). That's very expensive, in part because American labour is expensive. It's also not very realistic; your average product these days flies it's components across several countries before it ends up being put together. Even if you source all your manufacturing locally, you're still dealing with the fact your suppliers don't. The other option is to... just pay the tariffs at the end of the supply chain. Raise prices on US customers, try to route your entire production chain around the US. That's what the great brands are doing right now. They aren't going to publicly declare price increases if they can help it (because the risk of political retaliation is real under the current US administration), but expect the next products in their pipeline to have significant price increases to make the customer eat the tariffs. This in no small part happens also because ultimately, the tariffs are seen as temporary; moving a production pipeline entirely to the US can take up to a decade. Most companies are assuming that the tariffs will be gone in ~3.5-4 years when the administration leaves. That's not worth setting up a real production pipeline for in the US.

CoastalCoder

Friendly reminder to please not confuse the Trump administration with all U.S. citizens.

About half of us are shocked and revolted by pretty much everything he says and does.

mrheosuper

For all i care, he represents all the US citizen. He is your president.

CoastalCoder

I understand the sentiment, and I can't control how fine of a distinction you're making.

In fact, you could legitimately blame people like me for not going further to stop the madness.

In my particular case, that could cost me my job, which means losing health insurance for my family and myself. That's a choice I'm making, for sure. To that extent I'm culpable for this situation.

dotandgtfo

What a horrible take. I feel compelled to say that in my experience people in northern Europe can empathize with and separate the population from a dysfunctional two-party political system captured by capital.

tene80i

You ought to care more then, wouldn’t you say? An American has just pleaded with you not to have this attitude and you’ve thrown it back in their face. Hardly a mature attitude or an open mind.

UltraSane

For this lifelong US citizen Trump's death will be one of the happiest days of my life.

lostlogin

> About half of us are shocked and revolted by pretty much everything he says and does.

Only 65% voted, so it’s probably safe to say that only 35-40% of the population support him.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2025/2024-pre...

j1elo

> Only 65% voted

So 35% voted the option "I'm fine with whatever comes" so a blanket approval can be assumed to whoever won, i.e. in this case an implicit support for Trump.

immibis

It's equally safe to say only 35-40% of the population oppose him.

bsder

> About half of us are shocked and revolted by pretty much everything he says and does.

I'd put that at less than 1/3, actually.

The problem is that there is a good third of the US that seems to be completely oblivious that bad shit is going down until it shows up and kicks them in the balls personally.

This is, sadly, neither new nor limited to the US.

"It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt." John Philpot Curran--1790

ViewTrick1002

Based on the turnout you have 36% who silently approves the result since they didn’t turn up for the election.

Followed by 32% of the voting population which strongly approves of the result.

The ”not all of us” is a very tempting copout but it is quite evident that the American psyche is in general aligned with Trump.

xvedejas

Very convenient that you are able to rebrand apathy as approval. They're not actually the same, however.

buyucu

Trump was democratically elected. Twice. Sure, all US Citizens are not like this, but a lot of them are.

amanaplanacanal

He still hasn't killed as many people as Bush Jr yet, though he might before this is all over.

exasperaited

> Friendly reminder to please not confuse the Trump administration with all U.S. citizens.

None of us do at the personal level. At the international level we are compelled to.

Even in an ordinary administration, internationally a state is indivisible from the government it chose, and any strategy to pretend otherwise is doomed to failure or various kinds of corruption. The larger the amount of money that is staked on ignoring/going around/subverting the national policy of the state in which a business partner is based, the greater the chance of encouraging turning-a-blind-eye grift from elected officials, at the very least. "I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

But this isn't an ordinary administration. Trump is fully into "l'état, c'est moi" [0] and he goes there more and more by the day. From the outside, the degradation just in the last seven months is extremely obvious.

Given that international trade policy seems to have been entirely handed to the executive, anyone wishing to trade with a US business must simply assume the USA is Trump.

None of the old sense of continuity can be trusted. It's all new. This is deliberate, it's what his voters wanted, but it's also our reality.

[0] I anticipate some pushback here. I would accept the criticism that if we're talking about the USA as a single entity, it's intellectually dishonest to focus on matters of internal policy to back that up. To people who want to make that criticism I would simply ask: what international policy, separable from Trump's own grievances, explains the tariffs on Brazil?

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pavlov

Many European postal carriers have now suspended all package deliveries to the US.

The problem isn’t new tariffs, but how the USA wants to collect them. It’s mentioned in the article:

“IMAG's Ms Muth said the overarching concern is that many postal carriers are not set up to ‘collect and remit’ the duties specified by Donald Trump's executive order.”

Normally tariffs are collected by the receiving country when a package arrives. Trump wants foreign countries’ postal carriers to collect US tariffs and somehow remit the money to the American authorities… But there are no systems set up for this. The Americans haven’t even provided a way to send those remittances.

Obviously this is not something that postal carriers around the world can just spin up in two weeks, just because the Americans suddenly decided they want foreign post offices to collect their import taxes. So the only option is not to ship to America at all.

Symbiote

When the EU [1] implemented these systems they announced it years in advance, delayed the deadline due to Covid disruption, and it's still optional — the alternative is for the receiving post carrier to charge the taxes and an administration fee.

But using this system, I can order something from Ali Express for €10 + €2.50 VAT, pay Ali Express €12.50, and they send the VAT to Denmark. The tracking number on the package proves the VAT was paid, and the package sails through customs.

(There's also a UK system, very similar, but I have forgotten the name of it.)

[1] https://vat-one-stop-shop.ec.europa.eu/index_en

Cordiali

>Normally tariffs are collected by the receiving country when a package arrives.

For good reason too, the sender engaged the carrier. The receiver has no business relationship with the carrier, so they don't have an opportunity to pay any tariff to the carrier.

This is especially relevant when the carrier engages a local contractor for the last leg of a delivery, because they don't even have a presence there.

albumen

It's better if the sender includes tariffs/import duties in the price the customer pays originally, but it's easy to set up a system where the receiving country collects taxes on incoming deliveries. Ireland has it: https://www.anpost.com/Post-Parcels/Receiving/Pay-Customs-Ch...

I get an SMS saying that my parcel has arrived in the country but I have to pay customs before it's released for delivery, done via the site above.

michaelt

When I order things from China to the UK, on AliExpress, they arrive 'delivered duty paid' - i.e. aliexpress collects certain taxes from me at checkout, then the item doesn't get held up at the border.

So there does seem to be some mechanism for closing the buyer-seller-taxman loop. Unfortunately I have yet to find a reliable way to send things using this system.

Cordiali

I was gonna mention that, but I felt I was waffling on a bit, so I deleted it!

We've got the same thing with GST, basically like VAT or sales tax. So that'll appear on the invoice from AliExpress or Steam or wherever.

Businesses have a threshold before they need to charge it though. If they're under that threshold (like a small business), but the value of goods is over another threshold, then the receiver has to pay GST.

If I remember correctly, customs would mail me a letter, and I'd pay it like a tariff. Which brings me back to the main point, that's just that the carrier has nothing to do with it. It's ridiculous to get them involved in a transaction they're not a party to.

Process might be slightly different, I'm remembering from about fifteen years ago.

lazyasciiart

Every business that wants to send something to the UK is required to register with the British government and collect VAT on items shipped to Britain. So yes, the US could have a system like that - just get a couple DOGE kids to vibe code it tomorrow, huh.

https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/united-kingdom/corporate/other-...

Ekaros

I remember one UK content creator had some recipe books. I think the way to get them to EU was order from Ebay. SO big enough platform to have implemented whole thing... Not sure if that really works.

rsynnott

This sort of thing happened to some extent with Brexit, too; after the chaos died down some carriers resumed service to the UK, but some didn't.

westpfelia

I think if you send something under 100$ and its person to person you are still good though.

pembrook

I wish the rest of world would finally push back against US bullying. It's so pathetic that they don't even try.

When the Obama administration forced every bank in the world to start reporting the data and assets of any US-adjacent person (creating nightmare scenarios that continue today for most US expats), the entire world just rolled over and gave in. It was one of the greatest abuses of power, ever, all enabled by the US dollar's reserve currency status.

I can only hope this time is different due to the current administration being more hated around the world.

Havoc

And don't think they're going to be the last. Yesterday got a message from an influencer merch shop basically saying no more shipping to US. They're just over it.

mjmas

So this looks like just transit shipping is changing, since the other country could have a potentially higher tariff applied rather than the Australia-specific one.

rob74

I don't agree with >99% of what Trump does, but closing this loophole that allowed Chinese companies to flood Western markets with cheap (and partly dangerous) junk is one of the exceptions - and also one of the few things where he is in agreement with the EU (https://marketing4ecommerce.net/en/europe-packages-under-val...).

dsign

There is Chinese junk, German junk, and American junk. But not all of those countries are into junk production exclusively. I've received goods from a China startup with are much higher quality than goods from a Germany company which is over one hundred years old.

The question is what's the West doing to uppe their game, and right now it seems that our side is fundamentally incompatible with the sort of things China is doing, and then we resort to blaming them for whatever we can.

rvnx

The real question is why people buy such products, and the answer is because the quality for that specific price point is decent.

When you buy Anker for example, you are buying, pure China products, but still a very good choice.

Many US companies choose to manufacture in China because the tooling is more advanced than in other countries + scalability is high.

If you buy a 2 USD dress don’t expect it to be super high-quality but at the same time the price is reasonable for that.

Ekaros

And often when I am charged 5x or 10x for something here I have no idea if the manufacturing price was 2x or 3x and thus higher quality with better QC and so on. Or does that money just go to bunch of middle-men and to bottom line of the local seller.

RealStickman_

My favourite example is cables. I can either buy a Chinese-made product locally, or get a similar quality for a tenth the price on Aliexpress.

fakedang

Also the factory that produces the $2000 luxury dress is often the same one producing the $2 Temu version. The former has a specific yarn, strict QC, lifecycle audits, the works. The latter uses the cheapest available yarn, no QC and crappy packaging.

blub

Pure China products with Western QC on top and somebody to sue when things go wrong.

Turns out this matters. But it’s still better to buy made in EU/USA.

ieeamo

There are specific regulations that exist and are enforced in Germany (2009/48/EC) and the US (CPSC), that also exist in China (e.g. GB 6675) but enforcement is relatively weak, especially for cheap toys from small manufacturers that end up in the hands of children.

potato3732842

It's not that China is into junk production exclusively as your dishonest straw man claims. It's that china can make an overwhelming amount of it. The weird shipping situation subsidized the flow of junk from China to the US. It subsided everything else too but everything else didn't necessarily benefit as much from the subsidy so the junk is what really changes in volume based on the nickels and dimes of it.

dsign

Dishonest strawman? I sincerely understood the post implied China produces only junk, which I thought was an unfair statement. My apologies.

In a second read, now I understand that the post implies that China produces lots of junk that then they magically teleport to the doorstep of unwilling Americans, who then snare on the junk and fall when they are trying to leave their houses to buy American-made high quality goods, thus thwarting the good business and good intentions of that economy /s.

Look, I'm okay if people want to have their government impose on them what they should buy and they should not, on the principle that national capital should get a bigger slice of the pie. But if you are going to allow the government to decide that for everybody, you may as well not stop there and let the government decide on other matters, like healthcare, education, and economic incentives for society.

blub

China has very many start-ups and one man shows shipping utter junk. Germany and the US are not even in the same league. The companies in those countries tend to follow the local laws because they know there are consequences.

Good luck getting compensation when that product from AJDHJk sets your house on fire or makes you sick.

In consumer products, the German and US brands do indeed manufacture in China, but then do their QC and supervision to get to an acceptable level.

You can see how this goes wrong with Anker’s recent recall, where they got blindsided by their supplier and now have to do a recall because their portable batteries can cause fires.

dsign

I won't deny your point, but I think we are missing something. China's economy has more cutthroat competition than at least where I live. As such, strict QC is a must for any brand there that wants to survive and have a presence in the West, of which there are quite a few. And those brands still manage to beat domestic ones in price, often with higher quality. My point being, QC and legislation alone can account for the price difference; there has to be other economic factors at play.

Also, I recently watched this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2TfbN3v8h8 , which may be smoke and mirrors and have me slightly biased. Also, my iphone is made in China.

mrheosuper

i'm pretty sure if your house is on fire because of anker charger, you can ask them for compensation.

a lot of US manufactures had been recalling their products too.

Ylpertnodi

>In consumer products, the German and US brands do indeed manufacture in China, but then do their QC and supervision to get to an acceptable level.

....until the QC and supervisor turn their backs.

sschueller

Did you know Switzerland has a free trade agreement with China? We have the same strict/very similar strict rules as the EU does.

In Switzerland if you import dangerous junk and sell it in your store, you are liable. Of course the end consumer can also directly purchase from China as well but then it is their responsibility (Eigenverantwortung).

Customs will also confiscate fake brands and for example radios that violate frequencies rules (unless you can provide documents that you are allowed to operate such a device, ham radio license etc.)

rob74

And if my neighbor purchases a cheap battery-powered product that violates all electrical regulations from TEMU and the fire started by it burns down my apartment too, who's responsible then? I guess my neighbor, and the insurance will probably cover the costs, but I will still have lost the apartment and all the stuff that was in it. And customs will maybe look at big shipments, but can't hope to check even a tiny fraction of the millions of small packages.

graemep

"n Switzerland if you import dangerous junk and sell it in your store, you are liable."

The same in the UK, and a lot of other countries. The retailer is responsible to the customer, the importer or wholesaler to the retailer.

> Of course the end consumer can also directly purchase from China as well but then it is their responsibility

Providing an easy workaround to safety regulations does not sound like a great idea to me. If you let consumers easily buy unsafe things it will lead to problems. Consumers often do not even realise that things do not meet standards, especially if they buy it through somewhere like Amazon.

You could argue that consumers should do their own checks, but then why have the regulation of what can be sold in the first place?

sschueller

We have a big thing in Switzerland called "Eigenverantwortung". You need to take responsibility, the state will not babysit you at everything. You have the freedom to purchase abroad but at your responsibility.

comrade1234

> If you let consumers easily buy unsafe things it will lead to problems.

It's Switzerland.... I can buy fireworks rockets as big as my leg at the grocery store just before Swiss national day.

comrade1234

The article is mostly about duties. If you buy from someone outside of Switzerland that doesn't take care of the customs fees it's a pain for you. I once bought something that was only around 40chf from someone in the eu but then had to pay an extra ~40chf to Swiss customs for tax + plus handling fees (they had to open the box, inspect it, repackage it and send it to me).

stinkbeetle

Free trade? With no adjustment given to the CO2 emission intensity of production or CO2 emission per capita which are much higher in China than Switzerland?

That's basically subsidizing climate change and encouraging production to move to dirtier regimes. Seems fairly wild.

MandieD

In Switzerland if you import dangerous junk and sell it in your store, you are liable.

Oh, that's why amazon.ch redirects to amazon.de... In general, manufacturers and retailers have more legal responsibility for what they sell here in Germany than in the USA, but it feels like Switzerland takes that even further, in good but more expensive ways.

comrade1234

There is no Amazon in Switzerland. Well, they probably have an office here for tax schemes, but there's no Amazon service. Instead we have Galaxus which is awesome and so I fully expect Amazon to buy it one day and ruin it.

bamboozled

What on earth happened to free market capitalism, now you don’t want it? You want government intervention in the price of goods to manipulate outcomes ? Make up your mind and make it up quickly because I don't think the world will wait.

People buy cheap junk because it’s cheap. Why do you think so few people buy American made tools ? Your government is now forcing you to buy expensive goods and you’re, “happy with it”? It’s wild. I’m one of those people who always purchased USA, British , Australian, I still but I've had to watch many of my favourite brands lose their soul and offshore only because consumers chose to stop supporting them. It was the choice of consumers. It's just the sad reality, I'm certain the fix isn't government intervention though.

nailer

Likewise EU to US import rules were based on a World War II recovery concept. Europe is no longer recovering from World War II so asking them to pay a reciprocal tariff seems entirely reasonable whether you think Trump is a jackass or not.

rob74

Er, words mean things, you know? If Trump pulls a tariff out of thin air because he doesn't like it that the US has a trade deficit with a certain country (or because he doesn't like that that country is prosecuting one of his allies, as in Brazil's case), that maybe makes the tariff "retaliatory", but not "reciprocal". Last time I checked, the EU wasn't charging a 15% tax on imports from the US, but the US was.