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Baltimore Assessments Accidentally Subsidize Blight–and How We Can Fix It

owenversteeg

Anyone here for Georgism? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism

Very relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism#/media/File:Everybody...

>"EVERYBODY WORKS BUT THE VACANT LOT" I paid $3600, for this lot and will hold till I get $6000. The profit is unearned increment made possible by the presence of this community and enterprise of its people. I take the profit without earning it. For the remedy read "HENRY GEORGE"

potato3732842

Speculation is less profitable than development. If you're getting speculation it's because the roi vs risk of development isn't justifiable.

You can't "tax magic carrot stick <buzzword1>, <buzzword2>, blah, blah, <dogwhistle>" your way around this fundamental economic reality. But you absolutely can screw it up more.

Now, in a low regulation environment you probably could just up the taxes and let owners make do. A bunch of random low end income earning crap (storage lots or whatever, heavy on the whatever) will pop up to pay the tax bill. But Baltimore is not that so you'll probably just get the city owning a bunch of that vacant property instead which is a lateral or a step backward due to increased friction of development.

Tangentially, the author forgets that the reason cities like Baltimore adopted such policy was to encourage the bulldozing of uninhabitable structures lest they become less than legally inhabited. I get that a certain type of people love to screech about tax intake being an unalloyed good here but what's really happening is that the city is amortizing the cost of bulldozing crack dens over time via tax incentive for owners of "teardown" quality structures to take that step (which up's adjacent property values).

larsiusprime

I want to point out that this is not really about revenue generation but about fairness -- the law requires that property be valued at market value, and so that's the policy that should be followed.

As for revenue, that's a political decision. The thing is that elected officials control the tax rate, not SDAT. SDAT only values the properties.

Rising property values don't have to mean rising taxes, the elected officials can lower the tax rate in response -- this what the term "no new revenue rate" is for.

It's also not just about pushing tax burden onto vacant lots. When property A is undervalued relative to property B, property B picks up more of the property taxes. So if a lot of vacant land is undervalued, that means a lot of improved land is paying more taxes proportionately. It seems sub-optimal that property where nobody lives is given a tax subsidy and the difference is realized in rising taxes for everyone else.

The main point is that the law requires that everyone be valued at market rate. That should be done first. Then any special case exemptions, write-downs, discounts, and the tax rate itself, should be handled at the political layer, where they are explicit and conscious rather than implicit.

We can debate what the relative impact of this is in the big picture, but this seems like something that is worth fixing.

doctorpangloss

> fairness -- the law requires that property be valued at market value, and so that's the policy that should be followed

True but the law can’t bend physics on this: what is fair market value? One interpretation is, whenever FMV appears in policy, something is broken.

spaceribs

> Speculation is less profitable than development, If you're getting speculation it's because the roi vs risk of development isn't justifiable.

Arguably, speculation should always be unprofitable and we should ideally regulate against it in every way, shape and form. I'd ask what purpose does holding onto a unproductive piece of land serve at all to society beyond an easy to grease financial vehicle?

potato3732842

Ask yourself why and by what/who the incentives of living in society have been so thoroughly perverted that there is demand for "unproductive" (seriously, listen to yourself, this stuff is a liability) land for "finance bullshit magic" reasons? The perversions are what prevent "buy and do something to generate value" from outcompeting "buy and hold".

matthewdgreen

Oh, don't worry, we have some lovely storage facilities here. It's just that there's only so many that you can build.

I'm not sure that the city owning a lot of land is actually a bad thing, compared to the current situation where it just sits there and rots. It's not like Baltimore has the best results doing things, but the alternative is clearly very bad.

nashashmi

Other cities have established chartered “development corporations” to utilize underutilized assets and resources like land and make good uses for them.

They have been good for low income housing (often at the expense of lower income housing), low rent commercial spaces, low rent industrial spaces, amusement parks, real estate development, etc.

But this is gentrification and if you think it is necessary, then very quickly you will realize it is a problem. It homogenizes neighborhoods to support only a certain class of people while destroying other people.

sroussey

Yes, they make it so difficult to develop that you must sell to the city so their development corporation can hand out contracts to city cronies with kickbacks. Tax dollars at work, lol.

triceratops

The city doesn't have to own the lots long-term. They could divide them among neighboring lots.

potato3732842

I challenge you to find me an example of a city making that routine practice in any capacity. That would be a huge administrative PITA, say nothing of the perverse incentive it creates (regardless of if it's a forced sale).

unnamed76ri

This article highlights something that’s an issue almost everywhere, albeit maybe not as egregious.

If I do nothing to my property, my taxes stay the same. If I add a shed, deck, pool, or whatever external feature to my property then the tax man comes and wants more money. The lesson? Don’t improve your property.

jacobr1

The solution is to tax the land value rather than property improvement value. Any particular improvement from a property owner isn't taxed ... though implicitly the whole neighborhood getting more expensive (via the aggregate of all improvements and increased demand) does raise your tax.

andrepd

Based and Georgism-pilled.

It's worse than that. If you sit on the property, but your neighbours improve it, make it a better place to live, create businesses that attract people, OR the public treasury builds a park, or a metro stop, or a new road, your property value increases, letting you capture the value that others worked for!

thmsths

Every time I see a single level parking lot, which is basically wasting half a city block by just covering it in asphalt and painting a few lines on it, in the middle of downtown, next to skyscrapers, I am painfully reminded of this fact.

potato3732842

Whenever you see something seemingly silly and inefficient/wasteful ask yourself what is preventing the more efficient solution. The answer is almost always that someone is paying more to deal with government in a slightly different way that reduces risk to them

1ac parking lot = easy and definite, just buy land, simple permits, etc.

.25ac parking garage = difficult permits with many more places for various parties to whimsically drag their dick all over it at great expense to you, etc.

Investing in a commercial structure carries massive financial risk because there are all sorts of steps along the way where the government has reserved the right to balloon your cost so 1mil of land, 2.5mil of structure and $100k of bullshit could potentially be 1mil,5mil,500k once everyone is done screwing you.

The parking lot on $4mil of land and $100k of construction and $100k of bullshit can only balloon to $4mil, 200k, 200k in the worst case.

Now, I pulled those numbers out of my ass but it's the basic workflow that underpins most of the "stupid" things we see being built.

sroussey

Must be grandfathered in. Could never do that now… city would want setbacks, planters, etc and reduced effective usable area by 25%.

JoshTriplett

Improvements around your property can also raise your property taxes, the next time they get re-assessed.

lotsofpulp

The increase is spread between land and improvement assessment, so the vacant lot owner’s taxes don’t increase in proportion.

tristor

> If I do nothing to my property, my taxes stay the same.

I wish that was the case, but in both counties I've owned houses, the tax appraisal increases every year regardless. They don't even drive by, they just use automation to increase it. I protest every year and "win" which means the increase is reduced or eliminated, but it's a fight to keep your taxes the same regardless.

btilly

This basically doesn't happen in California due to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_California_Proposition_....

The unintended consequence is that cities get much more in taxes from businesses tban residents. California has therefore overbuilt its business base while underbuilding housing. The result is a severe housing shortage and sky high rents.

alistairSH

But that's because the calculated value of the land+building is increasing, right? The method of calculation might be wrong, but the tax going up isn't because the calculation is being arbitrarily changed - it's because one of the inputs is more valuable.

At least that's the way it generally works where I live.

hopelite

You are somewhat correct, even though I’ve never heard anyone say that or allow it to affect their decision in a major way. I do also suspect you may be in a place that is under rather oppressive government regulation.

The problem is a far more fundamental one, because just as I’m trying to get people to understand related to this movement or initiative to do away with property taxes, certain government and asset holder support for that is likely more about personal enrichment and/or expanding total tax receipts by other means, i.e., ulterior motives.

The fundamental issue here is the very premise of how the tax system functions not what kind of taxes are stolen and extracted where; and then redistribute to whom, usually for corrupted reasons and purposes.

The effectively unlimited and unbounded, detached, and inconsequential nature of the tax system now is really the core problem. It’s currently other people’s money and mostly even future people’s money, squandered without any meaningful limits, barriers, or even rules regarding conflicts of interests; and there are virtually zero actual and real, immediate consequences for malfeasance by people charged with the duty of responsible allocation of funds. It’s a corrupt and rotten system from the very top to the very bottom.

Unfortunately not enough people care, understand, or might even like it because they benefit from it and think they will die before the music stops. That’s how we get $37 trillion in national realized debt, another $74 trillion in unfunded liabilities, and another $9 trillion in state and local debt for a total national debt of $120 trillion in America’s public debt burden as of today.

potato3732842

>I’ve never heard anyone say that or allow it to affect their decision in a major way.

It happens all the time.

Half the time you see a facility that's using "temporary" tarp shelters and/or containers and/or trailers for some amount of it's covered area it's doing it for the taxes. The other half the time is for the expediency and flexibility (a sub component of which is fewer government approvals and government mandated steps, so basically taxes of another form).

Any time you have a commercial development across multiple lots they run the numbers both ways and/or they'll subdivide a big lot or they'll buy adjacent parcels crossing a jurisdiction boundary to minimize expense (not just taxes, construction as well).

jewayne

I'm convinced that only people who have no idea how things get done in the real world can go on rants like this.

unnamed76ri

I think this person explained a lot about how things get done in the real world. They just don’t like it. What’s not to like about society spending itself into oblivion?

almosthere

I'm not sure paying an extra $500 per year is going to do much for land owners.

Every empty lot in my neighborhood had valuations of 50k and they just sat for 20 years until cov.

throwmeaway222

Maybe pass a law that makes blight (boarded up windows, tall grass, messy yards) have an extra fee

bpt3

That works in a functioning community.

In a place like Baltimore, the city ends up owning the blight, and are generally not capable of effectively cleaning it up (due to their general mismanagement that causes an environment where blight is the norm in the first place).

nashashmi

So this is all about getting the town to assess lots at higher valuations and this way raise tax revenue which in turn will raise town’s ability to spend for itself.

Sounds more like the Substack is trying to raise poverty by raising cost of living and prices.

larsiusprime

Rising property values don't necessarily mean higher tax bills if the property tax rate falls to match. You will see terms like "no new revenue rate" that reflect this.

The point of the article is not "Baltimore should raise more taxes" -- raising more revenue is a political decision, and that is not actually under SDAT's purview. SDAT's job is simply to assess property at market value. What to do with that value is for the elected officials (and the voters who elect them) to decide.

If property A is undervalued relative to property B, property B faces an unfair burden of taxes, and property A receives an unfair tax break. That's all this report is trying to say -- all property should be assessed at its market value, as the law requires.

Any exemptions, discounts, write-offs, and the tax rate itself, are political decisions. Those should be made explicitly by elected officials, not implicitly by unequal valuations.

matthewdgreen

I don't know about that. We live in a city where people are complaining about housing costs and availability, but the city has absolutely vast amounts of housing. We've lost close to 40% of our population since 1970.

It's just that a lot of that housing is in awful shape, and the places where it exist aren't desirable neighborhoods (although let's be clear, many of them are right next to expensive and desirable neighborhoods, it's really bad.) This should be a situation that rights itself automatically, but it's not.

SECProto

Not sure where you are, but the demographics have likely shifted significantly - you have to normalize the population changes with the average household population. For example, a 40% drop in population would about equal out with the change in average household size from ~4 to ~2.5

jasonmarks_

> So this is all about getting the town to assess lots at higher valuations and this way raise tax revenue which in turn will raise town’s ability to spend for itself.

That is one angle of view. Alternatively, you could be encouraging vacant lot (or equivalent structure) owners to sell if neighbors are improving properties while they are not.

sroussey

That’s an interesting condition—that the market indicates the land can be improved profitably.

However, it depends. An area might have enough demand for a single improvement, like a 7-11 or something, but no prospects for any more.

Punishing neighbor properties for not getting that one deal is an interesting but not ideal solution.

stetrain

If the taxes on a vacant or condemned lot increase, but stay the same on a livable residential structure, how does that increase the cost of living?

triceratops

Alternatively raise taxes on empty lots and reduce them on occupied lots.

potato3732842

How do you connect the policy with the intended effect without magic or lying?

Time is money and taxes are already amortized into any potential developer's math, regardless of what the rate nominally is. If the properties aren't economically developable in a "it costs us pennies to sit on them so we'll take our sweet time" paradigm then they're sure as shit not developable in a "I'm paying the same tax rate no matter what so I gotta put something up ASAP so I can a)get income b) sell" paradigm.

stetrain

Not everyone who owns a vacant or condemned lot is a developer or has the capital to develop it.

Those people are potentially treating it like an investment. If the cost to hold onto it for longer is very low, why not sit and wait until the value appreciates and a developer offers you more money in the future?

Increasing the cost to hold the investment might encourage sales at today's prices instead of waiting for years.

I'm not sure that helping developers buy land cheaper is the right solution or a complete one, but I do think increasing the cost of holding property as an investment would have an effect.

s1artibartfast

I dont think that is necessarily true. a disuse tax is effectively lowering the property value/price.

At some point, it becomes free land for anyone willing to use it.

lgleason

I know many people in high tax states that forgo upgrades on the outside of a house to avoid higher taxes. Hence the neighborhoods do not look as good as they do in the south.

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paul7986

Home(town - there often) for me yet I did buy up into Southern York County PA. It's more peaceful, there's access to a 30 mile bike/railroad trail and buying a single family home (with nice amenities) is a 100 to 200k less. Yet in time York county's school taxes make up the difference.

snapcaster

This isn't really meaningful if the area is "subsidzed" by having a powerful economic engine nearby (baltimore, harrisburg). Suburbs aren't really sustainable in isolation for the most part

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hopelite

> But what if the government’s own policies were quietly making the problem worse?

That is usually the case, outside of the very few core competencies and purposes of government which simply are not what our governments in the West focus on at all anymore. In many, if not all cases western governments even actively undermine the beneficial things they should be engaged in because they are all corrupt, captured, and at the very least borderline illegitimate.

phendrenad2

Yes, usually big systemic problems happen because someone in government did something unexpected, and they did it to grift money. The big systemic problem will therefore continue as long as the root cause has utility for grift.