MakeShift: Security Analysis of Shimano Di2 Wireless Gear Shifting in Bicycles
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·July 19, 2025voidUpdate
fuzzylightbulb
Not needing to route cables (or wires) along and/or through the bike frame is a huge improvement. Anecdotally, everyone I know that has adopted Di2 seems to love it. The cost of these systems is negligible for the type of buyer who is shopping for high-end groupsets.
raoulj
Counterpoint - the benefits of wireless are there but the worry of your unit dying in the middle of a ride now replaces the concern of whether your derailleur is tuned and ready to go. It's easy for a shop to assemble, but now I'm worried about shorting the control unit of my di2 which would be a pricey fix. I have two bikes: one with and one without di2. Both work just as well and one costs much more.
I do love disc brakes though.
mauvehaus
Honestly, routing the cables through the headset introduces so many tight bends, I suspect you'll get better long-term reliability with wireless. Plus, there are no connections to make waterproof aside from the battery.
cheeze
You're talking about charging... monthly? With a system that gives clear warnings early that you're low on battery?
I'm already charging my GPS, headphones, bike lights, etc. regularly. This has been an absolute non-issue to me.
If the battery lasted for 100 miles, sure. But I'm getting ~1000 miles a charge.
conradev
My Di2 is wired internally but can communicate wirelessly, which I really like. One charger and one battery for everything.
moritz64
Shifting is faster and more precise, with no need for readjustments. It also eliminates a lot of cabling, which makes it look cleaner and simplifies the setup.
crabbone
A wireless (electronic) device simplifies the setup? What kind of insane fantasy is this? Will you really be able to fix your broken wireless gear box in field conditions? This is the proof of simplicity, not some superficial observation that you make about the amount of cables.
johnwalkr
It simplifies installation and getting a reliable, comfortable shifting setup, yes. Installation is simplified, especially in the case of internal and headset routing, which is something the target audience would deal with in case of cable-actuated derailleurs. Changes requiring adjustments over time due to the cable wearing out or stretching are eliminated, simplifying maintenance, both during and in between rides. On drivetrains with front and rear derailleurs, it has an optional adjustable algorithm that shifts both together for you and chooses the best gear combinations as you press up and down, simplifying operations. Auto-shifting is available on some models. There's more possibilities to put the shift buttons in the most ergonomic place, or even put them in more than one place, simplifying setting up your bike for comfort. That it doesn't simplify fixing your derailleur in the middle of a ride is even debatable. Yes, the radio or battery could fail, but on the other hand it is less prone to go out of adjustment.
Also it has one killer feature and everyone that tries one also raves about how well it works. You know those little ramps stamped into the side of the sprockets on a cassette, that the chain moves up and down on as you change gears? Di2 delays your shift precisely until the start of a ramp, which makes shifting faster and works much better under load. That crunch and possible stuck chain when you shift to start a climb is basically eliminated.
Is it something a bikepacker will choose? Probably not. Is is something attractive to many other types of cyclists and simpler to install, use and maintain in ways they care about? Yes.
SR2Z
The answer is YES, and this type of shifter is a favorite among mountain bikers whose reliability needs and "field conditions" are already much more challenging than your average biker.
There are plenty of examples of situations where a wireless setup simplifies things.
I used to put wired speed/cadence sensors on my bike. Now I just zip tied two BLE gyros to the wheel and crank and things are vastly simpler.
t1234s
In cycling looking good is half the battle. Eliminating all the cables (except brake lines) looks way cleaner and therefore faster and cooler.
anonymars
Ahem, I believe it's pronounced "aero"
tokai
Besides what other have answered you already have a lot of wireless connections on a race bike. To the sensors measuring speed, cadence, watts, and possibly stuff like rear traffic radar, gear selection etc..
It all integrates with an unwired bike computer, so wireless shifters makes fine sense in the system.
0cf8612b2e1e
Recording telemetry is different from something which directly impacts operation.
topaz0
What ever happened to measuring speed, cadence and pedal force using your body and mind?
motorest
> What ever happened to measuring speed, cadence and pedal force using your body and mind?
How do you export a time series of that?
bee_rider
We can do that. (I barely “measure” in the sense that I’m lazy and just pedal slowly, haha).
But there’s a well established community of really hardcore bicycle hobbyists. The folks paying a couple thousand dollars for shifters want fancy stuff. Some want graphs and numbers. shrug
wil421
I’d take a wireless dropper post so I don’t have to mess with cabling.
johnwalkr
I'm also thinking of one. They exist and allow greater extension for the overall length and/or greater nominal adjustment compared to internally routed ones because no space is required for the cable. This space is significant once you consider minimum bend radius.
riv991
It's much easier to maintain, as headsets have become integrated it's become harder and harder to work with anything that runs from the brake levers through the frame.
doctorpangloss
In terms of maintenance, most cyclists would benefit more from internal gear hubs and carbon belts. From a product development POV, seems better to make auto shifting IGHs. Indeed this is how share bikes are designed.
mauvehaus
Yes, but for racing bikes, which are the target market for wireless shifting in 2025, the efficiency losses of an internal hub are a non-starter.
The casuals whose bikes haven't seen a wrench since they were assembled aren't buying wireless groupsets. For them: we're in agreement about belts and internally geared hubs.
Automatic shifting has yet to prove itself to be more than a curiosity. A 20-something year old Autobike came into the shop I was wrenching in. It still worked shockingly well for being covered in rust. In good shape it would be an entirely adequate solution, if only it solved a problem anyone had.
My money is on e-bikes entirely supplanting any demand there may have ever been for automatic shifting on a bicycle. The motors have enough oomph that they make a lot of shifts unnecessary if you're not looking to maximize speed/battery life/whatever.
crabbone
I'm with you on this!
Here's a bit of a marginally related rant.
So, I moved to the Netherlands about four years ago. Of course I needed a bike. Since I was a child, I always fixed my bike if there was a problem. I've replaced punctured tube countless times.
Yet, in the Netherlands, I discovered that on the local bikes the gear box is a lot more complex... and you need to disassemble it in order to remove the back wheel (if you want to replace the tube). It doesn't have that many moving parts, but it's really not made with an eye for easy assembly and disassembly. Not in the field conditions. And the first time I discovered it, to my shame, I ended up pushing my bike to the bike shop to have the tube replaced. I felt like I was telling the shop owner that I peed my pants when I had to ask him to do something that should've been trivial for an adult.
I can't imagine using a wireless gear box. I'll never get on this kind of bike. Some kind of interference and you lose control of the bike? Broken far away from home: push it for hours? This thing probably needs a battery... Is it waterproof? This is such an unimaginably bad idea...
Finnucane
Racing cyclist: can I spend some money and save 2 grams of weight?
Touring cyclist: can I patch this with some duct tape and a radio antenna I ripped off a car?
topaz0
I was on a tour recently with a guy who brought a racing bike with rear-only panniers that probably weighed 2-3x the whole rest of the bike. He really struggled with the balance.
gnabgib
(2024) Past articles noted Shimano patched it (pro teams) or will (everyone else) that year
Related Want to Win a Bike Race? Hack Your Rival's Wireless Shifters (19 points, 2024, 14 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41253198
geephroh
Hahaha -- can't wait until someone figures out how to hack SRAM's wireless seatpost dropper[1].
thrownblown
start packing a flipper zero and make friends up shift on steep climbs
csours
The researcher's purported threat model mainly consists of professional bike racing.
Basic trolling is not precluded, or perhaps a targeted attack on an individual person.
ck2
I've always wondered what happens if you are in a big pack with these kind of devices
There's no stepping on each others signal? Error-correction?
Garmin is ending ANT+ because it's not-encrypted and Europe won't allow that anymore but it would be fascinating to do an ANT+ capture next to a marathon of 50,000 people, how does it deal with all that signal noise (BLE is on same frequency)
zettabomb
Is that really why it's going away? I just sort of figured that BLE chipsets had gotten so cheap these days that it was more economical. Can't see why you'd care about encrypted data for something which you could measure pretty trivially via other means, if you were close enough to pick up the signal.
stonogo
Technically that stuff is health data (especially the heart-rate, o2 levels, etc) so it's probably just not worth trying to fix the protocols.
Wireless gear shifters? What was wrong with a cable? Even if you don't want it to be a mechanical connection, you could still at least send data over that instead of wirelessly...