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AirPods succeed by not selling you a new pair

js2

My AirPods Pro (2nd gen) are just about 3 years old, still going strong, used daily for anywhere from 30-minutes to a few hours. I recently rented a U-Haul cargo van and had to drive it empty for a few hours. It would've been deafening without the AirPods. The noise cancellation works great for something like that.

My AirPods Pro first gen are nearly 6 years old, same use up till I gave them to my wife. She uses them less, but they are still going strong as well.

I just wish the tips fit my ears better. I'v resorted to having to make custom tips by placing memory foam under the large silicone tips. It's the only way I can get a decent seal. I've tried a few different third-party tips (including Comply) and none work for me.

avidiax

I have these custom IEM tips, but for a discontinued pair of Sony headphones. I wouldn't say seal (on the earbud side) is perfect, but the fit on my ears is perfect. They never just fall out of my ears, and are super comfortable.

https://www.adv-sound.com/products/eartune-fidelity-custom-f...

kfarr

I don't agree at all. I love the product but I have to buy a new pair of airpods every few years very consistently. It's either battery capacity loss, or crackling audio issues, or both to the point of not being usable. The Apple Genius always comes up with a story like "well it's out of warranty and the cost of repair is about the same as just buying new ones so you make the call dear customer."

Brybry

It'll be interesting to see how the EU Battery regulation that requires user-replaceable batteries impacts this when it comes into force in 2027. [1][2]

[1] https://environment.ec.europa.eu/news/new-law-more-sustainab...

[2] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1542/oj#:~:text=Artic...

ChrisMarshallNY

Just FYI.

I have several pair, because I thought the batteries were going too quickly.

Turns out, I should have just not left the case on the charger, all the time.

Nowadays, I just let them charge for a couple of hours, every few days, take them off the charger, and leave them in my coin tray.

I haven’t had a single battery issue, since; even on the ones I thought were “dead.”

But I think it’s a big design error, that this happens. Everything else has”smart charging.”

ryanmcbride

Cool that there's a workaround but bonkers to me that companies still don't understand that if they create something that _can_ be plugged in 24/7, there's a number of their customerbase that WILL and they should handle that usecase

wpm

Yep. AirPods don't need to sell you a new pair because you don't buy them, you're renting them. $249 down and 30 minutes of battery life a quarter.

zitterbewegung

This is anecdotal but I haven’t had any issues with my AirPods 2 Pro and I have been using them for three years.

Ancapistani

Since they released, I've owned two pairs of AirPods, three pairs of AirPod Pros, and now I use AirPods Max.

The original AirPods were great. My first pair lasted years and I replaced them due to the batteries no longer lasting a full day for conference calls and such. I passed them down to my kids and replaced them.

The AirPods Pro had some teething issues but are clearly the better product IMO. My first pair had the "crackling" issue, so Apple replaced them under warranty. My second pair was great and lasted years. I left them home when I was on a work trip, so I picked up another set and passed the older ones down again. The third set developed the "crackling" issue after about six months.

Apple replaced them no questions asked, but managed to sell me on the Max while I was at the store. I was hesitant, but yielded after they revealed that they had a pair that had been returned open but apparently unused. They seemed perfect to me, and they offered to replace the ear pads "just in case".

At $350 for the returned pair, it still felt like too much to spend on headphones - but I was willing to give it a shot. I asked if I could hang out in the store for a while and try them. No problem. About fifteen minutes later another employee approached me that seemed more "manager-like" and told me that since I had brought in a pair of AirPods Pro for warranty replacement, she could issue me a $50 credit as a loyalty perk if I wanted to buy the Max.

All told, between the open-box discount, the offered credit, and a few random bucks I had in Apple Cash (which I never use and am not even sure how they got there), I walked out with them for ~$250.

Both my daughters now have AirPod Pros and I have the Max. My wife is the only holdout in the family, with her Galaxy Buds.

timpera

Wait, y'all can still use your 3 year old AirPods? On mines, the battery went nuts in ~18 months, and I don't even use them that much.

FredPret

I used my previous pair for 7 years. I logged 5 months of continuous audiobook listening in that time, and probably just as much time with music + TV.

Incredible for a tiny $100 - or whatever it cost back then - battery-powered device.

elSidCampeador

I only replace my airpods when i lose them - never due to battery issues etc

flawi

I use mine every time I take the dog out for a walk so around 2 hours a day most days since I've had them which is over 2 years now, and I've yet to notice any battery degradation. There probably is some, but not enough to notice outside of actual measurements.

dlisboa

I have a 6 year old pair, battery last about 20 minutes tops.

semiquaver

Not using them much could actually be responsible for more battery degradation, since extended time spent fully charged is not great for batteries.

veenified

I am still using a pair I bought February 5, 2022... but I generally keep the battery topped up by charging them once a day.

pzo

I had the same and got them replaced for free some time ago. Still using airpods pro v1

hyghjiyhu

For me it's 3.5mm over ears. I'm not an audiophile, but it bothers me went when the sound cuts out half a second because of Bluetooth issues.

lxgr

In my experience, the battery degrades fast enough to not require any nudging people to upgrade feature-wise.

ghaff

A lot pobably depends on how much you use them. (I use mine seldom--mostly when traveling.) But experiences seem to differ.

lxgr

Definitely. I use mine for hours every day, and given that, I'm not really disappointed in their battery durability.

Also, I feel like the change to not charge the airbuds themselves fully unless required has really made a difference, at least subjectively.

pyman

When Apple discontinued the first generation of AirPods, the final firmware release had a bug that was never fixed. It caused the left AirPod to disconnect after one or two minutes. Hundreds of thousands of loyal customers were affected [0], including me. You couldn't even buy a second hand left AirPod because of a firmware version mismatch.

I still love Apple products, but under Tim Cook, it feels like they care more about margins than customers.

[0] https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250494933?sortBy=rank

thewebguyd

Apple really needs to put a product person back in charge, IMO. Cook is a supply chain wizard, and has been very good for Apple shareholders - but not great for the products. Apple's quality, especially software, has been on a downward spiral for a while now. If I wasn't so locked in to the whole ecosystem I'd be back on a Linux laptop by now - too bad I can't stand Android.

But I guess that's why quality has been allowed to decrease - the customers aren't leaving, myself included, so why would they bother until it's a real danger to their marketshare.

edit I'm also not sure who to put the blame on for software quality. I'm not entirely sure if it's Cook's direction, Craig, or a combination of a changing culture within Apple.

pyman

If it weren't for Jobs’ wonderful Mac with Unix, I would've dropped all Apple products a long time ago. Tim drained the loyalty right from my heart.

dayvid

Moved from Airpods to Galaxy Buds Pro and haven't looked back. Much better sound quality and not as finnicky. Also easier to find decent prices via sales or refurbished

csomar

I've actually had this particular product fail on me twice, and coincidentally, I was just talking to a friend today whose AirPods are degrading after only 1.5 years. That's the same timeframe when both my regular AirPods and AirPods Pro started failing.

I might have just been unlucky, but I'd be happy to hear some positive experiences because as a product (especially the Pro), it really is brilliant.

richardw

I got a pair of Pro 2’s in 2022, still going amazingly strong and I hammer them. I often fall asleep with them in.

Only weird thing is that they sometimes need to be put into the charger and taken out again to for one to connect. It just seems they should be able to reset without the ceremony.

victorwynne

I feel like producing at such a massive scale results in sometimes selling some subpar units. I bought the AirPods Pro 2 in October of 2022 shortly after they were released, and even with quite a few drops and constant use I have not experienced any issues. I have heard of people with similar experiences as you and your friend though so it’s certainly not entirely uncommon.

Otek

I disagree with author here. I wish I didn’t, because that would mean that customers are much more aware than they really are. In reality I doubt that adding those features to existing models had any impact on sales at all. If Apple had data that people would buy headphones for those features, they would 100% made them exclusive. AirPods are just the best in its class, that’s why people are buying them.

pyman

I was forced to buy them. I was happy with my first generation AirPods, until one night they automatically upgraded to the latest firmware, which had a bug and they stopped working.

Jtsummers

> I was forced to buy them

Who held the gun to your head?

pyman

Tim Cook sent me a firmware update overnight. After that, kappom! He also locked me into the Apple ecosystem, and I've been trying to escape since 2020, but no luck so far. The AirPods Pro and watch pulled me right back in. Unfortunately, these gadgets work too well with my ridiculously overpriced iPhone.

staplers

  they would 100% made them exclusive
They sort of are with how quickly they connect and remember devices. If you've ever used non-apple bluetooth headphones, pairing can be ever so slightly slower and more cumbersome (not by a lot mind you).

That 1-2 second difference paired with the system notification "your apple brand headphones are connected to another device do you wish to override?" can save a bit of headache if you're using them all day and switching a lot.

I know it was enough for me to prioritize their airpods over others that do the same.

mojo-ponderer

Apple does not have a good track record of making devices that are built to last. It has repeatedly opposed right-to-repair legislation, and has been exposed as secretly throttling the CPU of phones as the battery decays, without making that known to users. If it really is Apple's vision to sell AirPods as a lasting product, it stands in stark contrast to its overall history.

Spartan-S63

Your point about opposing right-to-repair is true.

The one about battery throttling is missing a lot of context and is extremely disingenuous. Apple noticed that aging batteries couldn't provide the voltage and would crash the phone, so they reduced the speed at which the CPU could reach full frequency so they wouldn't crash the device. It didn't throttle the peak speed of the CPU, but rather how quickly it would increase its clock. It wasn't done maliciously or for planned obsolescence reasons, but rather to provide existing iPhone owners a better experience on their aging device.

mojo-ponderer

The issue is that Apple didn't make it clear to users what was happening, and so people thought that their phones were just slowing down from age, causing them to buy new ones without understanding that the only real issue was the battery. Apple has paid hundreds of millions in damages and fines due to this.

jajuuka

Sony has done the same with its ear buds as well. So I'm inclined to think it's not "they just make a good product" and more "they've positioned themselves as the premium electronics brand".

carlhjerpe

I wouldn't say my Sony headphones has become better than when I bought them though. There's been updates but I don't notice any difference before or after.

I've had WH XM3 and XM4 and they're essentially the same for the most part too.