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Sega mistakenly reveals sales numbers of popular games

consumer451

Slightly related:

> These retro SEGA games are now free on Android (and iOS) until they disappear forever

https://www.androidauthority.com/sega-retro-games-android-fr...

v5v3

The real story here is the highlighting of the flawed attempt to redact a document.

Happens a lot.

koshergweilo

It's wild to me how Team Sonic Racing sold more than Total War Three Kingdoms

makeitdouble

Team Sonic Racing is also available on iOS and android stores while Total War Three Kingdoms is PC only. The price must also be widely different, so the sales numbers are complex to compare.

CactusRocket

I think in general Total War and its genre is relatively niche. While almost everybody is up for a bit of cartoony racing.

Ekaros

On other hand TW Warhammer III sold surprisingly well to me. I would have expected it to be much more niche...

raincole

... Why? It would be quite surprising if it were the other way around.

I'm quite surprised that TW:3D sold that many copies, tbh.

pinoy420

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kmeisthax

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throwaway743

Surprised Like A Dragon sales are lower than others. Been gaming since a kid in the 90s, and it easily ranked in my top 10. It's an instant classic.

extraduder_ire

That whole series is pretty niche in the grand scale of things. Still does decently for a game that releases a sequel every year or two.

StefanBatory

To see WH3 sell less than Three Kingdoms was a surprise to me.

robin_reala

A reminder that Apple’s Preview app has Redact functionality specifically for this use case: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/preview/prvw11580/mac

deafpolygon

It’s amazing how valuable of an IP Sonic is. It still sells consistently well after all those years.

I’m surprised even more at the P5R sales! I might actually have to give it a real try— tried it a couple years ago (P5 non-R) and didn’t really take to it, but I was put off by the whole anime vibe.

haiku2077

If you don't like the anime style, Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 is directly inspired by Persona's combat system but has a more mature tone. I liked it a lot, and it's 97% positive reviews on Steam, so you're likely to enjoy it too.

v5v3

>It’s amazing how valuable of an IP Sonic is. It still sells consistently well after all those years.

There have been ongoing movies and tv shows so each generation of kids grows up with Sonic.

nottorp

> directly inspired by Persona's combat system

That means they're both QTE based?

weiliddat

Turn based but with QTE elements

npodbielski

You do not have to Parry. You do not have to dodge. Most od the game you can tank and heal or resurect.

xdfgh1112

If you're put off by the anime vibe then there's no point trying it at all, you won't like it. It is a very anime game

hnlmorg

Sega is one of those companies quietly pumping out content for a loyal fan base. They don’t get as much limelight as Nintendo do with their IP, which is a shame because Sega’s games are definitely on a par with the stuff Nintendo release.

> It’s amazing how valuable of an IP Sonic is. It still sells consistently well after all those years.

It’s not as surprising when you consider Sonic is also mascot who they’ve ploughed millions into.

The movies will have definitely reignited some interest into Sonic too

ekianjo

> Sega is one of those companies quietly milking IP dry for a loyal fan base

That's more like it

ineedaj0b

it sold well because i've bought a copy on every console. i'd play for 30 mins, get bored, and quit. it finally took after i played for 5 hours straight. i finally got 'it'. try playing it on break at work. you've really got to get a few hours in because the game's first level is basically a huge tutorial.

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swarnie

Video game consumers have always baffled me and this data just adds to it.

Who are the 7 million people going out to buy the 20th Persona game? What are you actually hoping to get from it that isn't just a slight variance on something you've already had multiple times before?

I have friends genuinely excited to go buy Mario Cart for the 17th time this year... Once you've made two objects move along an enclosed route at differing speeds and slapped Nintendo marketing on top hasn't the game play evolved as much as possible?

Could the money not be better spent coming up with new and interesting concepts rather than copy pasting the same stuff out every 12-18 months?

radicalbyte

You can apply that logic to anything: why bother returning to the same great restaurant? Why bother with sports matches? Why buy a new car? New mobile? New computer? New TV? Why install a new version of an OS or software?

It's because they change: They tell new stories. They look better. They play better. They introduce completely new mechanics.

Persona: we're up to 5 in 25 years (almost 30 now!), during which time we've seen a massive increase in compute on consoles. Having a new game every 5 years seems very reasonable.

misnome

Not to mention the entirely of art, music, literature. The concept of stories in general.

It’s such an absurdly bad take they can’t be serious.

jkafjanvnfaf

The only series that release "every 12-18 months" are sports games and Call of Duty, and I can assure you that the overlap between that audience and the Persona one (which has five main-series entries of which barely anyone has played the first two) is extremely small.

Have you considered that you may just be very out of touch?

inertiatic

You know, humans pick up hobbies like cycling or running which they do consistently for years, listen to specific music genres or even electronic music which is mostly just a beat, hang up a painting they like in the living room and look at it for years and years, go out to their favorite place to eat consistently or cook the same passed down family recipe, and in so many other aspects avoid sudden changes, and you're surprised that for video games we enjoy the same formula repeatedly?

swarnie

If you walked in to my living room and saw 17 almost identical paintings where maybe one is styled to look like papercraft, one has a little dinosaur, one has a racoon tail ect you'd rightly think i was a bit mad even before i announced i'd paid $80 for each one.

Now if i had 17 unique paintings exploring a variety of motifs and styles, each one with a story to tell that would actually be worth talking about.

InsideOutSanta

Why are you so judgmental of what kinds of paintings people hang on their walls? Just hang the paintings on your walls that you like and leave everybody else alone.

TeMPOraL

Are you also surprised by popularity of sitcoms like Friends or HIMYM, or reality shows? They're even more repetitive rehashes of the same mundane thing, both episode to episode and within the genre.

Who are the millions of people who watch, for the 20th time in their life, how Character A does something unrealistically stupid, ends up in an awkward situation, and then spend the rest of the episode being continuously teased over it by other characters, because they're all written to be slightly stupid and low-key assholes.

This is not to criticize sitcoms and reality shows (and people watching them) here, but rather to point out that the same phenomenon you described also manifests with vastly more popular forms of entertainment, so there must be something to enjoying the experience beyond sheer originality.

captainbland

Mario Kart World added some kind of extreme sports game style features which make it play quite a lot differently from older entries, and of course new content which takes advantage of that.

In some ways this is the optimal way for a video game company to innovate as they need ROI (people don't generally buy new IPs in high numbers even if they're really good and it often takes a couple of installments to build trust and sales!) so creating new gameplay out of trusted IPs is a good way of achieving that.

InsideOutSanta

I could understand if the complaint was about a sports game. Most of them are released annually and are genuinely very similar to their previous versions.

However, every new Mario Kart game is genuinely distinct from its predecessor. You can show me any screenshot of any Mario Kart game, and I will immediately be able to identify what version it is.

Ekaros

Same could be said about movies, tv-shows and books. Same plots over and over again.

Religion is really the worst offender. Same service with same text time after time, year after year. Like they do not even take effort to mix it up every couple years or rewrite it...

InsideOutSanta

Why do people read books? They all arrange the same letters in a different order. Once you know the letters, you've seen all the books.

louiskottmann

There a lots of gamers. Games like Baldur's Gate & Expedition 33, which satisfies your criteria, far surpassed those numbers already.

I know people who rewatch the same TV series every year and go to the same vacation every year.

Fear of change is deep.

TeMPOraL

Fear of change, or even just isles of stability, to help recuperate and reorient yourself whilst navigating the stormy seas of life.

Myself, I'm quite open to new forms of entertainment, as well as those previously unknown to me. Even within my favorite genres, I'm more than happy to explore - but I'm still gonna rewatch at least one Star Trek show each year.

It doesn't matter that I've seen most of those show 6-10 times each over the course of my life; it doesn't matter that I've watched some specific episodes 20+ times already. What matters to me is, each time I see those characters and those locations, it feels like coming home.

(And more so than actually coming home.)

People anchor to different things like this, not just TV shows. Sometimes it's a real place (or an event in that place - e.g. vacation), sometimes it's a club, sometimes it's a video game or an outdoor hobby.