The Army’s Newest Recruits: Tech Execs From Meta, OpenAI and More
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·June 13, 2025tomhow
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U.S. Army bringing in big tech executives as lieutenant colonels - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44273067 - June 2025
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I'm the CTO of Palantir. Today I Join the Army - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44270660 - June 2025 (55 comments)
snerbles
> [...] the four executives will all attend the Army’s six-week Direct Commissioning Course at Fort Benning, Georgia [...]
Sometimes known as "fork and knife school". I can't speak specifically for the Army, but a particular personal incident comes to mind.
When I attended AFROTC field training at Maxwell AFB, in a lot of ways it was a fairly typical boot camp experience, with roaming enlisted training instructors ready to very promptly and firmly correct any deviations from standard in a memorably expedient fashion (much less swearing than Full Metal Jacket, as it's the Air Force). One day during this fine summer camp I found myself on the receiving end of one such chewing out from a TI, for walking around the wrong side of a table in the dining facility.
It was in the midst of this comically scathing tirade (something about him threatening to crawl up my nose and living in my nightmares if I dared try it again) that this Technical Sergeant abruptly stopped, wheeled around and was about to tear into another hapless cadet that took the same detour I did. But instead, without a whit of the seething rage he was pouring out just a second before, he calmly patiently explained to this trainee that she was to take a different route, punctuating the instructions with a "right over there, ma'am". It was at that moment that I noticed that she did not have cadet insignia on her lapels, but captain's bars. It turns out she was a proper M.D., fresh from med school, directly commissioned and immediately outranking the sergeant that was giving me the what-for and her polite guidance.
So by Direct Commissioning, it is indeed direct.
duxup
I remember my grandfather’s descriptions of WWII in the pacific. One was a Marine who made a number of landings and was involved in a lot that “I wish I could forget”.
The other was a Navy doctor. An officer, but really because he was a doctor.
Their experiences were wildly different. Not so much about risk but the Marine was a grunt and his description oozed what it meant to be at that level of rank. The doctor ... his description was that doctors, while they had rank, were largely left alone to their own devices to do what they needed to do. Rank wasn't really relevant to their daily lives.
snerbles
> One was a Marine who made a number of landings and was involved in a lot that “I wish I could forget”.
My grandfather landed at Tarawa. He only talked about privately, it to family members that were in the service.
> The doctor ... his description was that doctors, while they had rank, were largely left alone to their own devices to do what they needed to do. Rank wasn't really relevant to their daily lives.
From my experience, military doctors tend to be doctors that happen to wear a uniform. They already have the skills actually needed by the service (unlike most military jobs, where it's assumed that you know little to nothing of the job), the direct commissioning training is mostly so they can function and fit in that environment.
Kon-Peki
> military doctors tend to be doctors that happen to wear a uniform. They already have the skills actually needed by the service
Sure, most of them join either during med school or during residency, with Uncle Sam picking up the financial obligations.
Funny story - good friend was an army doc and we managed to both get time off at the same time/location. Hanging out along the ocean and come across a little kid that got hurt. So he goes into doctor mode and talks soothingly to the kid, who is very apprehensive. He says “I know you’re not so sure I’m a doctor. It’s because I haven’t asked your parents for their insurance info yet” and smiles at the mom and dad.
Later on he says that never dealing with insurance is one of the perks of being a doctor in the military.
duxup
Yeah the Marine talked openly about it maybe a handful of times with me, I got the feeling he left a lot out, even then they were never happy stories. I got the feeling he carried his experiences like a weight his entire life and he didn't ever describe it in any good terms, none of it. Didn't help that he lost his brother (also a Marine).
jt2190
My wife and I were at a formal event dinner banquet related to her med school. We were in a small group chatting: On one side an Air Force ROTC med student in his dress uniform and his wife. On the other side another med student and her Navy NCO husband in his dress uniform. I remember distinctly that the Navy NCO kept politely saying “sir” when he addressed the Air Force ROTC.
The Air Force officer mentioned that he got a “light” version of basic training. The Navy NCO said nothing. His ROTC’s wife added that it must have been petty light, because she remembered a call from him where he mentioned that they ran out of ice cream.
snerbles
Having been through both: AFROTC field training is about half the length of USAF enlisted basic. In fairness to the cadets, they attend training throughout their college years before and after Field Traning - the whole experience is more of a slow long ramp of goofy BS that tries one's patience in ways most enlisted troops won't quite comprehend until they're an experienced NCO. It's also much easier to "just be a number" and muddle through enlisted BMT. Try that in officer training, and you'll be ranked bottom of the class with limited career options.
In terms of physical exertion, enlisted BMT is a bit more intense. Job-specific training might be much more intense, for the handful of AFSCs that see ground combat.
breppp
Reminds of the story of Major Major from Catch 22 who was promoted due to a computer bug to the rank of Major and outranked everyone in flight school
yardie
I'm reminded of an ex who was inquiring about paying for dental school on a ROTC scholarship. She tells the recruiter that she was worried about all the yelling she'd have to deal with at bootcamp since she has severe anxiety. And the recruiter told her the medical officers don't do any of that, she had nothing to worry about.
franktankbank
LOL.
bgwalter
They are part time and this is just another revolving door between the military and industry. They are literally there to sell their products (and brag about "having served").
What are other nepotistic initiatives?
https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2024/10/10/...
"The Army in March 2021 awarded Microsoft a 10-year contract worth up to $21.9 billion for IVAS, but the initial version of the system experienced technical difficulties with a number of soldiers experiencing dizziness, headaches or nausea after wearing the goggles."
pjc50
Long ago the British Army used to sell commissions. A form of highly institutionalalized corruption. Mostly about social status.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchase_of_commissions_in_t...
Maybe it's going to be a system for allowing tech companies to deploy their personal defense battalion against riots?
bee_rider
Notably, it was not formally possible to buy a commission in the British Navy. This is because the British Empire was an island and so their Navy actually mattered and couldn’t be lead by a bunch of idiots with vanity titles.
VectorLock
>They are literally there to sell their products (and brag about "having served").
Gets you free priority boarding on all flights you take.
dmd
Some airline someday is going to figure out that if you guarantee overhead luggage space, people will pay more to get on the plane last instead of first.
alexgartrell
Not sure it’s relevant in the cloths these guys take
fancyMorsel
Yup, I’d expect a data scientist or equivalent programmer commissioning as a captain, not a c-suite executive that is more of an MBA graduate. It all seems fishy.
rjsw
Making military doctors and dentists colonels is mostly about putting them on an equivalent place on the pay scale to where they would be in civilian life.
blantonl
The pay scale isn't really equivalent. For military doctors and dentists the typical lure is they will pay off all your student loans for a specific time commitment to the military.
gexla
I have never been an officer, but the C-suite in the military is like "flag rank" which is above Colonel (Brigadier General.) Colonels are more like high management. But they likely won't be promoted, won't have an actual command, and rank means little more than the title.
giraffe_lady
If private industry were the military, most companies would be headed by O5 or O6; the scope of duties and responsibilities of an eg VP or CFO are actually quite comparable to a lt colonel or navy commander, CEOs are fairly like captains & colonels. These ranks are enough to head a large ship, air base, or training facility with hundreds or thousands under their command. Only extremely large companies (50k+ employees) have anything with a role comparable to admirals or generals.
pimlottc
Don’t forget there was already a team of industry-sourced (non-commissioned) tech experts in the Pentagon, the Defense Digital Service, that operated for almost a decade before being sidelined by DOGE:
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/15/pentagons-digital-r...
navbaker
The key difference is the DDS folks were not uniformed military. That can make all the difference when trying to sell your product or service to a military decision maker.
ganoushoreilly
It's not even that. The biggest difference is by being sworn in, they now have Legal authorities and rights awarded to military personnel, but are also subject to the UCMJ. Depending on how they structure the program they may be able to get Title 10 and 50 coverage and possibly others. This drastically changes what they legally can or can't do on behalf of the USG. There's more to this than people realize. It's also not all that new. In the past they had "Consultants" deeply integrated into agencies to solve the same issues.
Palantir, Crowdstrike, many others pretty much started inside the govt and were built around classified information as a means to get their advantage. It's not right, but It's definitely something that happens. Source: I was there for it with both orgs and even back then everyone though Dmitry formely from CS was a dick. I still have the mousepad that Palantir created for the office in lieu of a training guide (just a bunch of printed shortcuts / commands).
moandcompany
Adding some additional context on most of the above:
Yes, as commissioned US military officers they become subject to UCMJ.
USDS and DDS employees are/were civilian federal employees with capacity for legal authority to act on behalf of the US Government.
DoD and its branches have uniformed service members subject to UCMJ, but they also have many civilian employees with decision making authority and ultimately the services report to civilian secretaries; the ratio of uniformed service members (e.g. enlisted, and commissioned officers) to civilians can vary greatly by service. Another main difference to consider beyond UCMJ would be eligibility to be considered a combatant versus not; not all uniformed personnel should be considered combatants. "Authority" is not exclusive to uniformed personnel.
Many DoD programs can be led or managed by civilians, typically a GS-15 which is roughly equivalent to O-6 (e.g. Army/Air Force/Space Force Colonel, Navy Captain)
If I recall correctly, Palantir's main starting point beyond some of its fraud-tracking origins at Paypal were through its attempts to compete in the DCGS-A / replacement acquisition in DoD.
Crowdstrike had Dmitry, but its main US Government ties were through Shawn Henry, a former director of investigative operations at the FBI; Crowdstrike had a few business lines in its early days, which included its intel/research/analysis services, breach investigation/remediation services, while it was developing its endpoint protection products/platform.
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And to the upstream parent comment:
> The key difference is the DDS folks were not uniformed military. That can make all the difference when trying to sell your product or service to a military decision maker.
A lot of DoD acquisitions, developments, operations decisions end up being materially informed by civilian personnel that are direct employees of the US Government, contractors supporting the US Government via Federally Funded Research and Development Corporations (FFRDCS, labs, etc.), other contractors, etc. In some cases, it seems like the DoD programs are entirely reliant (i.e. dependent) on their contractor support (via FFRDCs, labs, etc).
Some of this comes from the fact that the typical active duty officer's assignment duration in a particular role (e.g. acquisition program manager, chief engineer, etc) ends up being two years or less before a permanent change of assignment (PCA). Having organic civilian staff in these roles can be essential for maintaining continuity and can be a key part of a program/mission's success.
(Also worth noting that in a lot of cases where the head of a program is a civilian employee, it's not uncommon to find that are military retired, prior service but separated, and/or also a reserve officer in the same or very adjacent field)
ab5tract
Really? I would assume that most ranked personnel would be less impressed by a person wearing a uniform that they never earned and don’t deserve.
But then again, pomp and circumstance…
navbaker
My take from my time on a major staff is it’s less about pomp and circumstance and more about being included in important discussions.
austin-cheney
Direct commissioning is for bringing people in as lieutenants (O1). Think a 22 year old college graduate.
Lieutenant colonels are the equivalent of corporate senior directors (O5). This means they could be either a battalion commander, approximate footprint of 300-500 people, or a senior staff officer for a command/division. By that point they are expected to have at least 15 years military experience.
The challenge at that level of management is writing and evaluating plans for their organization that must be able to move across the battlefield and roll up all corresponding metrics. Think of that as moving your entire office staff to a new location 50 miles away as frequently as needed. A 6 week bootcamp won’t get you that. As someone with 28 years military experience and a corporate nerd with almost 20 years experience I promise that corporate management is not the same. That part time job can suddenly feel like a full time responsibility.
The exception to this are licensed doctors and lawyers. They enter the military as captains instead of lieutenants.
jltsiren
> The exception to this are licensed doctors and lawyers. They enter the military as captains instead of lieutenants.
And chaplains, I think. The three professions corresponding to higher faculties in a medieval university. Many weird things in the military make more sense when you recognize them as leftovers from ancient social structures.
austin-cheney
Chaplains are complicated. The Army has a dire shortage of chaplains so they may enter as first lieutenants (O2) as they attend their seminary education on condition they must attain a divinity masters and sponsorship from a religious organization. It used to be they would enter as captains just like doctors and lawyers.
runlaszlorun
Are they doing that now? I was looking at going through as an Army chaplain back in 2018 and I'm not sure if I'd heard about that. But I was just over the age cut off to go back in.
chipsa
The point of commissioning them isn’t for them to take command of a line infantry battalion. It’s to have them have authority to do stuff that requires a Lt col, but is not actually commanding. It’s like how we commissioned a whole bunch of people in WWII to do admin jobs.
austin-cheney
I get that. I am a signal officer. Those guys will be signal officers. I have a pretty solid idea of what their level of actual responsibility is. The point is they need some expertise to exercise that level of responsibility. Otherwise they are tiny advisors masquerading as people with real legal authority.
runlaszlorun
Signal Corps shout out. Been out a long while though.
1oooqooq
why are you trying so hard to not directly assume the latter?
giraffe_lady
Isn't there already a system in place for that sort of thing. I know a couple civilian experts who worked as consultants in iraq (think like water treatment plant engineers) who were given "effective" officer ranks to smooth out interactions with the military members they worked with directly, clarify who they could and couldn't tell what to do. But they didn't wear uniforms, weren't saluted, weren't considered members of the military for most purposes, are not counted as veterans, etc.
If it were simply that, this is a problem the military has run into before and has solutions to it. This is something else: at best weird propaganda at worst I don't really know.
ganoushoreilly
Not necessarily the same thing, in addition to their rank there are legal authorities conveyed as Officers. Title 10 & 50 for example.
blantonl
I've seen some specialist docs with extensive experience direct commission as an O5
nonameiguess
It's rare as hell, but you can commission directly at higher ranks if you have the required experience and credentials and there is sufficient need in the service. The CO of the dental unit at Fort Hood that did my gum grafts 14 years ago direct commissioned at O6.
As there isn't really any civilian equivalent to combat branches of service, however, they won't direct commission anyone into the infrantry at that level, sure, at least not since the civil war era.
Jtsummers
> The Detachment 201 program is aimed at bringing in part-time advisors from the private sector to help the service adopt and scale commercial technology like drones and robots into its formations.
So we're taking executives from companies that sell to the government and military to advise the military on what to adopt. And not only are we bringing them into the fold, we're commissioning so we can give them a pension in 20 years after they've recommended their own employers' services and products.
kotaKat
It's just building a club for rich folks to commission in as a field grade officer and give them a fancy dress uniform to wear to official government events where they get to direct contracts towards their parent companies.
That's all it is. Normally the officers come up through the ranks and build a grift to retire and peddle back to the military (see things like BeaverFit), but Detachment 201 lets them direct commission the grift back.
chipsa
You think they’ll still be in for 20 years? And you need 20 “good years” to get a pension for non-active duty service.
djeastm
As former enlisted myself, I don't understand why they need to be in the military to serve as advisors. No one's going to treat them like real LTCs anyway (outwardly they will, of course, but not with the same respect).
tclancy
Because this is a different country now. I imagine someone who lived under a military dictatorship would not be shocked by this new approach.
snerbles
That also strikes me as odd. When I was deployed, we had plenty of contractors/DOD civilians to handle various technical things, and to help maintain continuity while the rest of us rotated in and out of the theater. They didn't need to be commissioned.
If these execs were experienced engineers that needed to be embedded in a unit in the field, maybe, and definitely not at O-5. Usually these sorts of urgently-needed experts become instructors and teach troops the specific technical skills without the need for being enlisted/commissioned/warrant themselves.
Someone more familiar with the political games inside the Pentagon will better understand this decision.
lazyasciiart
It’s probably a fun ego boost for the execs involved. And it makes them subject to following orders, to military jail for not obeying, etc, which is presumably a nice thing to have in your back pocket when managing egostistic jerks.
bee_rider
Is this just aristocrats buying commissions, but for tech nerds?
snerbles
A Lieutenant Colonel in an advisory role would have to engage in an astoundingly epic screwup to court-martialed under the UCMJ. They'll be counseled behind closed doors long before getting formally charged with Article 90 or 92.
An Article 88 (or 133!) case involving these guys would be a really funny scandal, though.
ericrosedev
Contractors down range used to have something like a company logo or something as their rank, you could always tell because it would be some guy with a gut and long hair in fatigues with a weird rank. Give them that and let them feel like soldiers, not an oak leaf
UncleEntity
I was a contractor "down range" and the only dress code we had was no shorts, no open-toed shoes. The only time anyone would mess with us was at the chow hall if we didn't take off our hats or didn't have our helemts/flak jackets during alerts and then they just wouldn't let us inside unless we went to get them. Other than that they wouldn't bother us unless we were blatantly ignoring air raid sirens or smoking somewhere we shouldn't be.
When outside the wire we would, of course, follow the directions of the army escorts because they were unequivocally in charge. The only time I can remember anyone chastising us was because we were getting overly aggressive in traffic up in the Kurdish region and there was an incident the previous day where some mayor's son had his engine block shot out so they were like, "you guys need to cut that shit out, these are our allies up here".
KaiserPro
In Boz I can't think of anyone less suited to the task.
At every stage of the RL expansion there has been a stunning lack of both solid direction and attention to detail. Not to mention piss poor logistics.
The default position for anything in meta/facebook is to just throw people at the problem. Which I suppose is a good match for a stereotypical view of the army.
1oooqooq
> The default position for anything in meta/facebook is to just throw people at the problem
sounds like a perfect match for the military
EPWN3D
It's an ego trip. That's all.
scotty79
It's kind of weird how getting owned by the state might be ego boost for those people.
CoastalCoder
I'm guessing it's vaguely related to the "stolen valor" dynamic.
krapp
These are probably the kind of tacticool dork-ass losers who worship ancient Sparta and Rome. They want to be strong men created by hard times.
They won't actually suffer so much as a hangnail, of course, but inside their heads they're kicking Persians down the well all day every day.
closewith
Possibly to subject them to military law and therefore exert significantly more control over their commissioned period.
ludicrousdispla
I wonder which vaccines they'll be required to take and whether they'll be subjected to drug testing :)
VectorLock
Get those sweet "Veteran" plates.
Bender
Get those sweet "Veteran" plates.
In my state that only requires a DD-214 with honorable discharge and $50.
sieabahlpark
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oooyay
The choice to pick up executives rather than engineers is a bit confusing if the goal is to modernize.
jfengel
Executives are obviously more skilled. Just check out their paychecks. Each of them is worth at least a dozen engineers.
gibbitz
By paycheck my company's CEO is worth 95 senior engineers and that's before stock options. With stock options he's worth 265 senior engineers! (Or 240 and 670 junior developers respectively)
He's so skilled he splits atoms with his mind. He probably should be president, except he's nowhere near the highest paid executive in the US. Probably not in the top 500.
varenc
Meta basically just paid $14B to acqui-hire an exec.
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mter
Officers are management, a lt col is similar to a director at a tech company.
If they're trying to modernize the strategy and direction of the organization before bringing in additional SMEs, this makes a lot of sense. Good leadership and a good direction really does matter.
After the overall direction and vision is in place, then they can bring in technical SMEs who are hopefully also direct commissioned in and not just contractors hired for a year or 2.
whall6
I think it would have been cool to see them allow a hand chosen direct report join them. And maybe that direct report’s hand chosen direct report too.
cempaka
It's about pushing an agenda and selecting the people with the correct (lack of) morality to do it.
bilbo0s
In fairness, the military is full of engineers.
kriro
This strikes me as very odd. First of all, what's in it for the execs. Surely pay is worse so there must be some insider benefit. Or can they hold both positions? That just screams conflict of interest.
Secondly, why execs instead of people with actual technical skills. Surely military execs are already better prepared at managing military than some tech execs.
Lastly, as a non-U.S. citizen the optics seem horrible to me. Fire generals/people who served "the normal way" and bring in tech execs...that's gotta piss of just about anyone who ever served as a storyline or am I totally off base here?
lazyasciiart
Of course the optics are terrible but it doesn’t matter. Everyone is already either pissed off with trump or dedicated to never being pissed off at him.
CoastalCoder
I somewhat agree with your thesis.
But recent developments with Musk, the FY26 budget proposal, and CA National Guard make me think that the Republican party is starting to fracture more, and some of them must be taking a dimmer view of Trump in the process.
TeMPOraL
Maybe this gives US gov an extra leash on them? Surely the standards of what's approaching treason are different for people in service, so maybe it's just a way to trick execs into getting personally under government control, so they'll not be able to shield behind the whole "free enterprise" / "private business" thing when they want to trade with China or EU against the US Gov preferences?
aweiland
Maybe they get to pull a pension too? There's lots of examples of Admirals and Generals who "retire", get their pension payouts, but come back as an "advisor" effectively doubling their pay.
jsrozner
maybe the drones will play tiktok videos to the insurgents and thus render them dumb and thoughtless, or perhaps cause them to fight amongst themselves
AndrewKemendo
Former Major, Iraq War Veteran and Air Force academy graduate here.
I can’t think of many worse ideas.
But here we are
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