Pentagon Has Been Pushing Americans to Believe in UFOs for Decades, New Report
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·June 12, 2025falcor84
georgeburdell
It’s important to note that “Spring of 2023” lines up with David Grusch going public
overu589
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overu589
My flagged post (why flag this?)
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I have been contacted.
I have to tell people that the great big secret isn’t “aliens” the great big secret is American Thought Control and thought controlled Americans.
A significant population of haters are well aware of the truth of this circumstance, they are empowered by it in ways the ordinary mind will refuse is even possible (if you’ve made it this far.) these will destroy you and anything you love, and they are their own government that castrates and extorts conventional governments of people power.
I’m the guy saying “we are not alone in our own minds and a secret state of thought control is tooling us all.” This is the real crisis of our humanity.
Yes, there is a long standing community of humans among us who can travel through minds and influence all of us in ways we would refuse to accept possible. They drive us all crazy from within.
As far as the technology of our altruistic harmless visitors, it is all biotechnology.
Studying their technology is like studying the cuttlefish or mushrooms. Just think of what an isolated brain trust would learn from studying any such thing for fifty years. Nearly nothing.
No computers, no wires, no screens, no controls, not even material sciences in the way we think of them. They control their technology (and communicate to us) through the mind.
Of the otherworlders:
On the threat and nature of thought control:
Do you hate me for telling you these things? Go ahead and ask, I take on all contenders.
foobarbecue
I really don't mean this as an insult: please seek psychiatric advice.
cwsx
I'm not really that invested in this topic but my assumption on "why flag this?" is because you're making some wild claims that have no factual basis to go off - your only "references" are random pastebins.
Right now your comment reads like something off a conspiracy forum and has nothing to back it up - which is not something that warrants discussion (on HN).
overu589
It’s a first hand account.
overu589
The rest of the thread:
afpx 1 hour ago | parent | next [–]
Were you a participant in Stargate?
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/collection/stargate reply
1 point by overu589 18 minutes ago | root | parent | next | edit | delete [–]
Better, I can explain how it works.
Ordinary people (and agents of their ordinary people governments) think Power (or “ESP”) works like telemetry. That is, restricted to ordinary conventions of signal propagation. It does not, it works through entanglement (of which there is obviously local propagation.)
Once entangled, those capable can navigate through so entangled minds, digging in and infiltrating minds. This continuity may be maintained indefinitely by those skillful. These may “facilitate” seemingly psychic experiences of others. Those others are deceived (like the “telepathy tapes” they experience something they themselves do not control.)
The stargate program focuses on “remote viewing”, which is kind of a joke (beyond how you would think of it.) There are other more experienced minds emulating the experience in the unsuspecting. This is why science will never “discover” this capability, it is already mastered by those who will toy with others.
All “viewing” requires that a mind sees what ever was viewed. For “Power” (the true art) is the ability to entangle and navigate minds. Any mind may be traversed by those competent, and any sense or memory may be experienced by those others capable.
The whole time those Dick Tracy CIA fobs were chasing phantasm, they were being played by their own handlers.
I was press ganged into a hooligan army of Power (Arizona Company, of thought controls of America, the Power elite.) I “freed the slaves” (yes, they called me “Spartacus”). I helped destroy the council of 13 (do you remember, before that was MS-13, there was the feared gang “13”?) I destroyed Trajan and his army (a psyop military Power cult). I dismantled the Xerxes game god from Power (they take on names.)
There are hundreds of thousands of Americans who would epar dna redrum eruoy ylimaf before being discovered for their secrets. These are the enemy of all humanity. They maim and mutilate humanity through pyramid schemes of extortion. Power is highly developed and there is nothing you can do about it.
I am a renegade of Power, and this is a fragment of my account. reply
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0 points by overu589 8 minutes ago | root | parent | prev | next | edit | delete [–]
Btw, (thread related) I was contacted by the “Aluvians” as they like to call themselves (those “Greys”), due to my disruption of Power.
They’re quite nice and ambivalent. Thought Control of America, and thought controlled Americans are the enemy of humanity.
K0balt
… or is this the new narrative for the pentagon to deny the significance of UAPs without being seen as denying the significance of UAPs , which might actually make people suspect more strongly that UAPs are significant?
4d chess indeed…
vlcrptr
It’s sad that both WSJ and Gizmodo are writing about this like it’s worthy news, because we’d rather be reading about USPs being B.S. because it’s easier to get people to distrust the government that way, whether or not it’s true, double negative true, or quadruple negative true, than it is to point at things like:
- War in Israel-Palestine-Yemen-Syria-Iran, war in Ukraine-Russia with threat of spill into Europe-Scandinavia-U.S., threat of U.S.-China-Taiwan war in West Pacific, along with India-Pakistan attacks, but it’s a lot of proxy and posturing because anything serious would be stupid.
- Declaring martial law in L.A. for people protesting dictatorial evacuation and tariff war nonsense.
People have their fists fully up their asses.
amanaplanacanal
I wouldn't expect Gizmodo to write about those things because it's not really their beat, but has the WSJ not covered those subjects? I'm not a subscriber, but they sound like things the WSJ would cover.
clauderoux
Or a variation of Princess Bride mind challenge...
Spooky23
With this crew there’s no 4D chess. UFO nuts were a part of the whack pack constituency that has become the magasphere.
The problem is there is no smoking gun or answer that satisfies the fantasies of people who are passionate about conspiracy theories.
So you start cooking up more conspiracy. It’s not 4D chess, it’s Candyland.
K0balt
Ah, yes, the candyland dismissal. Classic obfuscation through infantilisation. Spooky23 indeed. Next thing , you’re probably going to claim you weren’t involved in the great Canadian genocide of 2013. Or even more damning, claim that such an event never happened at all!
I wasn’t being serious, but I can see how someone might think I was.
Spooky23
I found myself standing in front of a Masonic Lodge in 2013. You and I both know what a “pancake breakfast” fundraiser really means, and what they want you to believe. ;)
cedws
The most plausible scenario is that the aliens came to Earth, took the form of humans, worked their way up into the higher echelons of government, then spread FUD to obfuscate their existence.
K0balt
How did they manage that without resistance from the lizard people? Is that the real story here?
nobodyandproud
Clearly they are the lizard people. Perhaps the next wave of space immigration.
V (the 1980s version) was a flawed documentary.
davewasthere
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/odqjef/this_is_a_m...
I don't know about you, but I'm skeptical.
mellow_observer
That largely just seems like a pop density map of those people who are likely on the English internet. Or in other words: the shows the base rate of UFO sightings is relatively location independent
Sharlin
Much more people on the English internet, including a huge number of Indians. But the map does seem to correlate well with the population density of Anglo-Americans in particular. Which is telling me that this is not a map of "all UFO sightings" at all and is massively biased towards sightings by Western English-speaking people.
abcd_f
This is wildly off. Russia alone should be as bright as the US.
dgllghr
And Kirkpatrick has been pushing Americans not to believe in UFOs. When he took over AARO it was a sudden U-turn. Why would the Pentagon make him the head of AARO if he was going to go against their UFO narrative?
jl6
The article seems to imply that UFO disinformation was a previous strategy that they are trying to move away from. Plausibly it went too far, causing a backlash against UFOlogists, making pilots wary of reporting genuine anomalies for fear of being labelled a wacko. If you suspect your enemies are flying new capabilities, you want your people to be reporting it.
hackyhacky
Alternatively, there is no change of strategy. After all, what better way to make people believe in UFOs than to propagate government propaganda claiming that previous propaganda supporting UFOs was a ruse? Clearly they are just hiding the truth.
BugheadTorpeda6
Yep. That's my impression as well. It makes sense and seems like a good move. The whole thing was silly in the first place and it's not like almost everybody that has bothered to look into it didn't already suspect it was cooked up bullshit.
charintstr
Yeah AARO has been known to be pro-Pentagon for awhile now with Kirkpatrick playing role of chief misinformer. It looks like this is his counter play to Grusch and the NJ UAP sightings
sharpshadow
Two things came to my mind recently. 1. If other space inhabitants send spacecraft here, they wouldn’t put any weapons on them for us to reverse engineer. 2. If we have been able to reverse engineer those spacecrafts, they are likely to energetic to carry conventional weapons.
speak_plainly
I’m just going to throw out some wild speculation: perhaps this is a negotiating threat used when playing hardball on expenses with the two or three corporations that are contracted to reverse engineer non-human technologies.
dudefeliciano
relevant CCC talk: https://media.ccc.de/v/37c3-12326-you_ve_just_been_fucked_by...
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xtiansimon
Or, the “government” wants you to believe in UFOs, so when the aliens actually do attack in 51.5 years we’ll be ready psychologically to defend Earth.
charintstr
If aliens have the tech to fly from solar systems away to come and conquer us we’re pretty screwed and anyone serious in government knows this
lwansbrough
My take is, if you wanted to differentiate the morale of your forces compared to a terrestrial enemy, you would try to make everyone (including your enemies) believe that you possessed extra terrestrial technology.
What would be more of boost of morale than believing your side had mythically advanced weapons, and that your work was helping advance technological superiority?
vintermann
A terrible idea, because
1. You will have to keep very secret that this is what you're doing
2. If you do, your own officials will randomly start to believe you. And why would they believe you when you tell them it's all a hoax - after all, you're admitting that you're a manipulative POS, why would they believe you now?
Organization-level lies fry people's brains - including that of the liars. Probably especially of the liars.
lwansbrough
Well, right, that's my point. That's what we're seeing now.
dvh
Kinda like "hey Jimmy why don't you join military, maybe they let you work on UFOs". Jimmy joins and is sent to middle east.
DocTomoe
See also: Nazi Germany's "Wunderwaffen", Hanebu, et al.
ahartmetz
Your point stands, but it's worth separating "Wunderwaffen", which over-promised but delivered something, from post-war pure fantasies like Haunebu and such.
bell-cot
"delivered something" was too-often true - but in the bigger picture, many of them delivered a clearly-negative RoI for Germany.
netbioserror
I've tooted this horn for a while now. Poison the well using UFOs, flat Earth, and fake Moon landing. Lump in and associate ALL distrust of government with the well-poison theories. Socially ostracize all mistrust of government. Tada, power and influence on the cheap.
unstablediffusi
when half of us say dumb shit, they're a fringe minority. when fifteen of you say dumb shit, you're all like that.
1. identify (or invent) a universally disliked or ridiculed group, no matter how few they are. 2. invent a link between them and your actual target. 3. knowingly blow them way out of proportion. 4. run an occasional two minutes hate to remind the target audience of their existence (which they can't do on their own, since there's like fifteen of them).
baby, you've got yourself a psyop going. you don't even need any elaborate false flag ops - just use the media you already control :^)
netbioserror
And an extraordinarily cheap psyop at that. If all it costs is 1) a rambling web page full of word vomit, and 2) an actor playing an enraged talking head for a 3 minute segment on cable TV about the word vomit webpage...you've got an almost infinitely scalable propaganda scheme. Pump it up, and you've confused everyone's sense-making right up until collective effort is made to filter the well poisoning. At which point it's easy to identify and suppress competent opposition.
Fifth generation warfare is so staggeringly cheap next to previous generations, it can be fought indefinitely. It requires literally every person, in every country, everywhere on Earth, to be constantly vigilant, wary of everything they read and hear and see. Maybe that forces us to collectively sharpen our mental knives over time. Who knows.
southernplaces7
Regardless of the Pentagon and US government trying to weaponize the UFO phenomenon for their own propaganda ends, there is a body of genuinely unusual UFO, or UAP if you like, phenomena out there that have nothing to do with something manufactured by government.
They're worth investigating, certain groups and people have investigated them, and this should not be confused with falling victim to some sort of absurd military propaganda attempt.
Also, the UFO phenomenon need not have anything to do with "aliens" despite still possibly being completely outside human origin (as delusions or military propaganda or whatever the hell)
Many people, not having read in any depth about it, simply laugh off the absurdities around the "aliens" idea and call it a day. That's just lazy and overall, mistaken.
> For decades, certain new commanders of the Air Force’s most classified programs, as part of their induction briefings, would be handed a piece of paper with a photo of what looked like a flying saucer. The craft was described as an antigravity maneuvering vehicle. The officers were told that the program they were joining, dubbed Yankee Blue, was part of an effort to reverse-engineer the technology on the craft. They were told never to mention it again. Many never learned it was fake. Kirkpatrick found the practice had begun decades before, and appeared to continue still. The defense secretary’s office sent a memo out across the service in the spring of 2023 ordering the practice to stop immediately, but the damage was done.
This "hazing ritual" is incredible - a more naive me would not believe this could work, but especially knowing about how Scientology was made up essentially on the spot and now has tens of thousands of believers across the world, I fully understand that humans are just prone to delusions. It then also tracks that LLMs apparently picked this up from reading our stuff.