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RFK Jr. ousts entire CDC vaccine advisory committee

_elf

Everyone in the VC community who helped elect President Trump is partially responsible for each child that suffers and dies from a vaccine-preventable disease due to this action.

bigfatkitten

You don’t become a VC by being the sort of person who cares about these things.

vrosas

VC: “I pretended to be a good person because that’s what I thought would make me successful and people love me.”

Everyone: “we can tell you’re an entitled dbag.”

VC: “well now I’m going to act like an entitled dbag and it’s your fault.”

- Me paraphrasing his actual interview. You know who I’m talking a lot.

cyanydeez

You do, however, put on your sheep in wolves clothing.

thatfrenchguy

There needs to be consequences for those folks. RFK Jr included.

flanked-evergl

Consequences for doing what is permitted by law and what has been done by Democrat supporters for decades?

cyanydeez

Unions, pension funds, and other real social bodies need to realize theyre being undermined.

almosthere

I'll accept that in exchange for making it so people can sue pharma companies for VI.

chris_wot

Dear god, there are mechanisms in place for this already, and they are so loose they are farcical.

It’s incredible when I read this sort of comment, and then I realise that the comment is so badly ill informed that I need to respond. But it does make me wonder what sources of information the other person is reading…

jbritton

Well then what are you reading. It’s well known that Pfizer and Moderna required immunity from lawsuits in order to provide the vaccine and every country gave them that immunity. Here it is from CNBC. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effec...

Perhaps you were thinking about compensation from the government, but the original poster was talking about actually holding Pfizer and Moderna liable.

basisword

As long as they're making money they do not care.

add-sub-mul-div

You need to frame this in terms of quantifiable material loss to them in order for there to be a chance that they'd care.

lbrito

That won't help much because the quantifiable material loss in that scenario wouldn't be much.

normalaccess

And if he is right the gain will far outweigh the loss.

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xqcgrek2

Appeal to emotion is a logical fallacy

pron

There's no appeal to emotion here. They're saying that people who had an outsized influence in electing this administration have an outsized responsibility for its outcomes.

Also, people dying or getting ill isn't an emotion.

nozzlegear

Labeling someone's argument a fallacy without addressing the substance does nothing but dodge the point, nor does it prove the argument incorrect. It's specious; an argument from fallacy.

mecsred

Thank you Spock.

flanked-evergl

Trump was elected by Americans, not the VC community.

pier25

The proportion of people who donated significant money is probably higher in vcs than the general population.

flanked-evergl

Probably? Like do you have the actual probability?

ahmeneeroe-v2

Wow this is unpopular, but you're right!

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sys13

This is a step back for science in the service of public health - I'm sad for the many children that will die needless deaths

normalaccess

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calgaryeng

You are apt to be wrong.

rblatz

It's amazing that within a single person's lifetime we can completely as a society forget how horrible these diseases were, and why vaccination was so popular and transformative around the world. Truly a victim of their own success.

flanked-evergl

I think you confuse in the service to public health with in the service to big pharma's bottom line.

triceratops

Are vaccines like a high-profit margin item or something? I thought that honor went to cholesterol or obesity or depression medicine.

_aavaa_

I hear from people who in the same breath then tell me the benefits of the natural chemical-free supplements they're taking, as if the supplement industry doesn't exist.

drekk

The pharmaceutical industry cannot make money off of you if you die of measles as an infant.

thatfrenchguy

They absolutely will given how much an hospital stay costs.

flanked-evergl

They can make money off you by getting the government to force you to take a vaccine that did not pass regular screening and then get the government to recommend that you keep taking it year after year with no evidence that it makes any difference.

Also, Biden delayed disclosing the risk of myocarditis https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/3420162...

tracerbulletx

There is not a single ideologically valid defense for being anti-vaccine. It's just anti humanity, anti science, and anti life.

dacox

Was this a new committee? there is a quote about this being a coup, but it is also noted that the previous administration selected the entire existing committee

m-watson

From the way it is written it feels more like "Under Biden enough openings occurred that he selected the entire existing committee," where as under Trump they are being pushed out "“Without removing the current members, the current Trump administration would not have been able to appoint a majority of new members until 2028,” Kennedy wrote in a Wall Street Journal opinion piece. “A clean sweep is needed to re-establish public confidence in vaccine science. ”"

bjourne

If one goes by the ACIP Membership Rooster this seem to be the case: https://www.cdc.gov/acip/membership/roster.html Likely, the compensation scientists receive for being a committee member is not great so the committee has to be constantly refilled. Appointees to such committees are de facto apolitical because there aren't enough world-class specialists available for the executive to choose between. So the Trump team will have to choose, actual experts in immunology or loyal MAGA goons...

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vkou

A clean sweep of RFK and his ilk out of power and the media is the bare minimum of what is necessary to re-establish public confidence in vaccine science.

That trust was undermined by habitual liars in an effort to score political points at the expense of public health. None of the batshit-insane things they claimed were just around the corner have actually materialized.

dacox

yeah, I see that.

Apparently ACIP is very much not new. I am curious to the specifics of the prevous mass appointment, however.

miltonlost

What are you curious about? What does that curiousity have to do with the current mass firings? Are you just asking questions to smokescreen for this executive power grab?

josu

"Although it’s typically not viewed as a partisan board, the Biden administration had installed the entire committee."

mudetroit

They typically serve four year terms. When any president begins their term the entire board will have been appointed by the previous administration. Now if games were played to make most of the terms expire at the end of the term that's also not okay under any means.

Qem

> Now if games were played to make most of the terms expire at the end of the term that's also not okay under any means.

I think terms in boards like this should be filled under a different periodicity from the presidential term, preferentially with a period coprime to it, just like the cicadas do. This way it would be harder to pull the trick of letting them sync.

ChrisArchitect

lbrito

Flagged by the anti-rationality brigade.

gregwebs

There is a conflict of interest lookup that you can view for yourself of declared conflicts of interest. [1]

However the main issue here is that the Biden administration made 12 appointments right before leaving office to try to make it impossible for the Trump administration to make new appointments. [2] This is not the way that a democracy is supposed to function: with the voted out president trying to thwart the incoming president.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/acip/disclosures/by-member.html

[2] https://www.statnews.com/2025/01/31/vaccine-policy-acip-memb...

durkie

From the way you described it, it sounds like there were openings and Biden appointed folks to fill those openings.

How is this different from any president filling any vacancy? By nature of the vacancy being filled, a future president won’t be able to fill it.

normalaccess

Very fuzzy memory but I believe in the past it was common to leave these things for the incoming president (think Clinton era). Could be wrong.

malfist

Yeah, like SCOTUS vacancies

timewizard

Is it usual for 12 spots to be open simultaneously?

chris_wot

Nothing was normal under the first Trump presidency.

wat10000

And if they can be removed at will, as link 2 says, why does it matter?

helf

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Eddy_Viscosity2

> This is not the way that a democracy is supposed to function: with the voted out president trying to thwart the incoming president.

Wild that you can unironically say that Biden appointing committee members is undemocratic..

I can only imagine what you'll say when you hear about what Trump did when he lost the 2020 election. You will be most upset when you learn about that I suspect.

bradleyjg

How about John Adams?

timewizard

So two wrongs can make a right?

curiousgal

Defending this while listing "health" as an interest is peak irony. I've always wondered what drives seemingly smart people to side with such shitty (sub)human beings.

xnx

> This is not the way that a democracy is supposed to function: with the voted out president trying to thwart the incoming president.

Correct. The senate majority leader is supposed to thwart the current president. /s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_...

andreygrehov

> Kennedy, who was one of the nation’s leading anti-vaccine activists

Kennedy was anti-COVID vaccine activist, not anti-vaccine activist. Low quality journalism.

healsdata

"There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective." -- RFK Jr.

How is that not anti-vaccine activism? You can watch the clip here: https://x.com/cwebbonline/status/1770188599096639573