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Unfit for Work – The startling rise of disability in America

AndrewKemendo

I am a 100% P&T disabled veteran - I have handicapped parking and all of that.

I could sit here and list out all the medical and legally accepted reasons that the Veterans Administration, and as a result all other regulatory bodies, give me this status (epilepsy, constantly dislocating shoulders, hip arthritis, tinnitus, PTSD etc...)

However I have friends, colleagues and neighbors who are measurably less physically and mentally capable but are not considered disabled.

When I look at the job market, MOST people are not capable of doing their individual life without significant training, help, direction or supervision. People call this bad-state "adulting" and find it onerous.

Said another way, the vast majority of people do not have the cognitive ability, education (self taught or formal), or experience to set goals, take actions and self improve without significant direction from someone else. I personally consider that disabled.

So if these people are considering themselves disabled, then they are probably right - they are incapable of being independent or living within a community that takes care of them. So the only remaining community left is the abstracted transactional monetary system implemented by governments to allocate resources toward them provided they check the right boxes.

Ideally 100% of humanity would be on disability - because we can build systems measurably more capable than human labor - someone just needs to rebrand it as "UBI."

itishappy

I just applied to a job and part of it was a disability disclaimer. Here's the list:

* Alcohol or other substance use disorder (not currently using drugs illegally)

* Autoimmune disorder, for example, lupus, fibromyalgia, rheumatoid arthritis, HIV/AIDS

* Blind or low vision

* Cancer (past or present)

* Cardiovascular or heart disease

* Celiac disease

* Cerebral palsy

* Deaf or serious difficulty hearing

* Diabetes

* Disfigurement, for example, disfigurement caused by burns, wounds, accidents, or congenital disorders

* Epilepsy or other seizure disorder

* Gastrointestinal disorders, for example, Crohn's Disease, irritable bowel syndrome

* Intellectual or developmental disability

* Mental health conditions, for example, depression, bipolar disorder, anxiety disorder, schizophrenia, PTSD

* Missing limbs or partially missing limbs

* Mobility impairment, benefiting from the use of a wheelchair, scooter, walker, leg brace(s) and/or other supports

* Nervous system condition, for example, migraine headaches, Parkinson’s disease, multiple sclerosis (MS)

* Neurodivergence, for example, attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), autism spectrum disorder, dyslexia, dyspraxia, other learning disabilities

* Partial or complete paralysis (any cause)

* Pulmonary or respiratory conditions, for example, tuberculosis, asthma, emphysema

* Short stature (dwarfism)

* Traumatic brain injury

The form asks if you currently have or have ever had one of these in the past. Well, I don't know if anyone I've met hasn't. I said "no." I have no idea what the right approach here is.

s1mplicissimus

I'd definitely not tick "low vision" and then straighten my glasses in a disapproving manner

howard941

If you want the job the right answer's going to be no. Unfortunately only a small fraction of those maladies gets you on disability, almost none of them before age 50.

leereeves

Or say yes, then sue when they don't hire you.

hungryhobbit

How can you say anything except no? Who, when applying for a job, wants to make themself look like a less attractive candidate?

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DiggyJohnson

Interesting perspective. A lot of the nuance and disagreement comes from what we mean when we say “incapable”.

dingnuts

No, the view that "everyone should be on disability" is just socialism..

constantcrying

I would absolutely hate to have to think myself "disabled" and I would hate the idea of the state seeing itself as my "caretaker".

What you are describing is also the opposite from what liberal democracy was envisioned as. It was supposed to be a state, which created complete and mature citizens, which make well formed decision and can be trusted with governing the country.

To be honest I do not think that you are wrong in your description, the state is certainly transforming into an institution where the citizen are envisioned as disabled wrecks, which are in desperate need of government support. I just hate that this is the case, it is fundamentally incompatible with the ideals of a liberal democracy.

lazyasciiart

It was supposed to only count landowning males over 25, which was expected to consist of mature able citizens with assets.

constantcrying

I don't know what you are trying to say. Obviously what you are complaining about has changed and now all adults should be capable citizens.

Is it wrong that the state wants to create capable and mature citizens who can be trusted with participation in government?

dingnuts

so the problem is actually allowing renters to vote? that's a wild take I didn't expect to see on the orange site today but points for honesty and boldness I guess

01HNNWZ0MV43FF

The fundamentally incompatible part is that the citizens are not complete and mature?

constantcrying

If citizens are broken people who need the support of the state they obviously can not make informed decisions and should not be allowed participate in politics.

The goal of liberal democracies is that the citizens are capable and mature and thus can be trusted with governing.

rowls66

This article is nearly 15 years old (2013). According to center on budget and policy priorities, the number of SSDI beneficiaries has fallen from is peak in 2014. So this article was written about a trend that peaked a year after its publication and had reversed over the past 15 years. Odd that it would be reposted today.

https://www.cbpp.org/research/social-security/social-securit...

lokar

It’s not obvious, but I’m pretty sure this is from 2013 (I remember hearing it when it aired).

Uvix

Confirmed - if you follow the "Listen to this story" link, it's from 22 March 2013.

pyrophane

Glad you posted this as I remember hearing about this situation some years ago but couldn't remember where.

olalonde

> Fewer than 1 percent of those who were on the federal program for disabled workers at the beginning of 2011 have returned to the workforce since then, one economist told me.

Do they lose their "disabled" status if they go back to work? If so, that seems like a textbook poverty trap. Why risk losing lifetime free money for a minimum wage job that might not last?

genewitch

I have a friend 'trapped' by government aid. They receive some benefits from being diagnosed with something as a minor and their father received a government aid that conferred to them. Its SSDI IIRC; the rules say they can't get married, can't own property, can't earn more than $X/unit of time.

The 27 years I've known them have been punctuated by my saying "what if you do this to solve your current issue" and the reply is "I'll lose my benefits"

I'm unfit to say if they need it; as in I am unsure if their life would be worse or better without.

Don't read too much into the setup, above; my memory is fuzzy unless I am directly talking to them about it, and even so they correct me like, "its not ssi it's ssdi," or whatever it is. This is to +1 with an anecdote.

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cebert

It’s unfortunate that we can’t seriously consider universal basic income in the United States. If we provided every adult citizen with $13K annually during their working years, it could offer support to those unable to find meaningful employment without forcing them to declare themselves disabled just to survive. That label can take a real toll on a person’s psyche and limit their belief in their ability to grow or find better opportunities. We also have to be realistic and realize AI is positioned to replace a significant number of jobs in the next decade. A safety net like UBI will only become more essential moving forward.

vjvjvjvjghv

That would require a total rethinking of our economic system. I doubt this will happen without any catalyst like war or revolution.

okanat

I agree. Some libertarian economists noticed that endless growth demands slavery-like conditions and the economic collapse one way or another. They are trying to back away without using the s-word and invent half-baked solutions like UBI.

UBI by itself will not solve the problems. It will only drive exorbitant inflation. Implementing UBI requires socializing many institutions and nationalizing big companies. People who control the biggest portions of the economy will not give their power up without a war.

olalonde

Not necessarily. The US government already spends >2000$ per adult per month. It would require a total rethinking of the role of government.

paxys

Spends on what? It's not like you can disband the military, not build roads and bridges and eliminate medicaid just because you send out a $1000/mo UBI payment.

If you want to consider just social assistance then the US government spends about $950B annually, and that works out to $2800 per year per citizen. To make it a livable amount you'd have to at minimum 5x that expenditure (and a lot more than that in urban areas).

mouse_

More safety equates to less people willing to work slave jobs for slave wages. They're just gonna make disability bucks harder to access.

nlh

I'll never forget the run-in I had with this corner of the labor market:

Back about 15 years ago I was running a small business in the auto industry. A guy who did deliveries for us (entire job: driving cars to people) who was in his early 20s found himself in a very minor fender-bender -- he rear-ended someone else. He claimed his twisted his ankle from the jolt (based on where he was resting his foot). Fine, no big deal.

He went to see a doctor shortly afterwards and immediately filed for a Worker's Comp claim. He then kept seeing that doctor and within a few weeks was given...permanent disability. Literally got a doctor to say he'd never be able to work again. Full sign-off. He of course was seen walking around just fine a few months later.

Absolute insanity.

Hilift

This grossly understates the current 2025 financial impact of the problem, and is directly linked to the ~$36 trillion debt.

There is a target to reduce Medicaid recipients by 4.8 million by 2033, by requiring them to attend school or volunteer 80 hours per month. That's a lot.

https://www.nola.com/news/politics/impact-on-louisiana-of-me...

In the next four years, nearly every state that has huge Medicaid obligations will be forced to restrict and reduce access simply due to budget constraints.

For example, California has 6.6 million enrolled in Medicaid and requires a staggering $85 billion federal assistance annual infusion for Medicaid. "People with disabilities composed 8% of Medi-Cal enrollees and accounted for 31% of spending".

California has 49% of the population on employer-provided health insurance. Only 5% purchase private insurance (Affordable Care Act). However, 22% of Californians are covered by Medicaid. That number is unsustainable, and Governor Newsom is already enacting measures to reduce enrollment and eligibility.

https://calmatters.org/health/2025/05/medicaid-work-requirem...

https://www.chcf.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/MediCalFacts...

https://calmatters.org/health/2025/05/medi-cal-assets-newsom...

gusgus01

California is not a great example, since they pay out to the Fed so much more than they receive, so that infusion isn't really an infusion when you consider the overall budgets.

hollerith

Nit: "the Fed" means the Federal Reserve Bank, which does not collect taxes. "The US treasury", "the Federal government" or "Fedgov" would work in your sentence.

dhosek

Last Week Tonight did a great piece on the negatives of how SSDI disability works in practice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq2s7RMRsgs

vjvjvjvjghv

I thought disability is often the only way for people to get support when there is no other option for welfare.

therealdrag0

I remember some article mentioned that the rise in disability correlated with the fall of welfare availability. (I didn’t read article so donno if covered)

sgnelson

One thing I've noticed over the past 20 years. At least in the United States, we need less "ditch diggers." This means that those who are less intellectually capable find it harder to get employment in a suitable position. I think this is an issue that needs to be addressed. But you know, I live here and now, so that ain't happening.

Yeul

Companies would rather hire an illegal immigrant than deal with someone who is not 100% mentally or physically fit.

Animats

"Somewhere around 30 years ago, the economy started changing in some fundamental ways. There are now millions of Americans who do not have the skills or education to make it in this country." Not wrong, and sad.

This article shows what Universal Basic Income looks like on the ground.

cavisne

Nothing compared to the NDIS rort in Australia. There is literal gang warfare over providing "services" to people with high payouts.