A leaderless NASA faces its biggest-ever cuts
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·June 6, 2025tagami
It may take a few years but there's Blue Origin's New Glenn (i.e. https://spacenews.com/nasas-escapade-could-launch-on-second-...)
vjvjvjvjghv
If they maintain their development speed I don’t have much hope. They got started before SpaceX and still haven’t reached orbit.
fooblaster
They reached orbit with new glenn in January. This just isn't true.
vjvjvjvjghv
Totally forgot about that. When is their next launch?
rockemsockem
I generally agree with this sentiment, but they did reach orbit with their sole launch of New Glenn! An admirable thing, even if it took like a quarter of a century.....
jdkee
Does NASA have heavy lift capability today? Why not?
kulahan
Does anyone have a mirror?
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1970-01-01
And if Elon pulls SpaceX out of NASA?
tocs3
I think Elon has more to lose than the folks holding the purse strings for NASA. Defense contracts might make some pause for a little while but congress has a long history of supporting more traditional defense contractors and they could spend some money on lobbying (or dinner at Mar a Lago).
credit_guy
Yeah... no. If the Golden Dome hopes to have a chance to get built (on budget), SpaceX needs to get involved.
tocs3
SpaceX did OK with the Dragon capsule some years ago. I will happily give them credit budget wise and performance (and timing for something like that is hard). The Golden Dome project is a different animal all together. This is a cynical take, but Golden Dome is another giant DoD project. It will not keep to any sort of budget and the timeline is fantasy. Something might get produced but congress will have no trouble awarding launch contracts to who ever spends the most on lobbying.
JumpCrisscross
> If the Golden Dome hopes to have a chance to get built (on budget)
Why do you think anyone in D.C. cares about those endpoints?
whatever1
What if the gov takes over SpaceX overnight?
to11mtm
You'd have bigger questions coming up based on the general 'how did it get to this' as well as any other companies as well as the populace being very concerned about such behavior.
forgetfreeman
I think you might be surprised to find out how much of the populace would literally applaud such behavior.
brookst
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piva00
The USA would get SpaceX but also have to deal with businesses getting spooked that the government can now nationalise private assets on a whim.
When that happened in Iran 1953 the CIA fostered a coup; Cuba is under embargo since the 60s triggered by Fidel nationalising sugar mills; Chile's coup in the 70s with CIA support was triggered by nationalisation of the copper mines; invasion of Panama in the 80s was from tensions with Noriega wanting to take over the canal's assets.
Venezuela's sanctions were because Chávez nationalised oil under PDVSA. The rift with Bolivia's Evo Morales was from gas nationalisation.
So if the USA just takes over someone's private company it will be absurdly hypocritical, and shatter even more the USA's international reputation, the added risk to businesses in the USA after this precedent opens will probably also be of concern.
indy
Then any progress would also stop overnight.
nickthegreek
they should probably toss in starlink as well.
dev1ycan
I'll be honest, SpaceX is his as long as he respects the country he is at, and what he was allowed to do, he "joked" about decommisioning the dragon but I don't think a single person in government will allow him to sabotage the ISS like that. Actual room for criminal investigation and possibly expropiation. If he was in Canada or South Africa he wouldn't have access to the technical knowledge or talent that he has in the US, due to law, and said law exists to protect critical industries in America, it goes both ways, you are also not allowed as an individual to sabotage the nation.
georgemcbay
Pretty sure his relatively quick walk back on that "joke" was due to the realization that if it was left open as a credible threat it is very likely the government would have just seized control of SpaceX immediately.
There's not really any need to charge him with anything to do that when he is making active threats to weaken national security, though its possible they might have separately gone after him.
And if the government did take that action they would have had incredibly high popular support for doing so among virtually everyone on both sides.
JumpCrisscross
> if they did, they would have had incredibly high popular support for doing so among virtually everyone on both sides
What? Where? If you mean expropriation, no, that has never been popular here, it’s part of why we have a massive economy.
lostlogin
> you are also not allowed as an individual to sabotage the nation.
I’m not sure of this.
KerrAvon
I wouldn’t have thought a south african script kiddie would be allowed to do it, but as long as it had the Oompa-Loompa president’s OK, apparently everyone is good with it.
JumpCrisscross
> criminal investigation and possibly expropiation
Criminal investigation into lying on clearance forms about drug use effectively sidelines him SpaceX’s chain of command without stealing his or anyone else’s shareholdings.
That said, it would be an authoritarian shot across the bow for Silicon Valley from this White House.
watwut
He wants them money. The contracts for SpaceX is his primary gain from his political engagement. He needs those contracts and got them.
If he looses them, it will be as a revenge from Trump rather then voluntary something.
mft_
To offer a little factual background:
* The fact that SpaceX is currently the only US company with an available and reliable capacity to fly astronauts to/from the ISS is the main reason for many of the contracts, and they had this before and irrespective of Musk's political engagement.
* For other launch activities unrelated to the ISS, SpaceX offers the most cost-effective service, so again it's not unreasonable that they would win business irrespective.
* Most of SpaceX's active contracts with NASA predate Trump's second term.
tayo42
How was the US getting to the iss before SpaceX. Seems to concerning to have all of the capabilities tied up with one irrational guy and his toy company
dkjaudyeqooe
Musk tried to have a close associate installed as the head of NASA. Even if those facts are true there are many, many benefits Musk stood to get.
So although the GP comment is a bit silly it's still in the ballpark.
RIMR
SpaceX would go under, that's basically all of their income...
bpodgursky
NASA is about $1B of SpaceX's ~$15B revenue.
SpaceX does a LOT of commercial launch. And Starlink is growing fast.
JumpCrisscross
I’m assuming if Trump is cancelling SpaceX’s NASA contracts he’s also yanking launch and possibly even radio authorisation.
In a strange way, the middle path is targeting Elon personally. Not his companies.
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