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I taught my 3-year-old to read like a 9-year-old

randunel

I have two children roughly OP's age, they couldn't possibly be more different in terms of motricity, senses, intelligence, etc. Polar opposites.

My first said her first words at 9 months old, "ba" for ball, bath, and 2-3 more meanings, and made a repeated sound pointing towards the object of interest, sound which cannot be described in words. Before the age of 1 we had amassed over 50 words, most up to 3 syllables, a handful had more. Same for walking, fine motricity, etc. She reads at 5 years old.

My second only started saying single syllable words at 1y10m, started walking similarly later, and isn't able to do at 1y10m most things that my first was already able to do before being 1yo, so the delay between them is higher than 100%, more than double.

Same family, same teaching style, etc, only 3 years apart.

The ability to teach your child to do something depends almost entirely on the child, your teaching abilities don't seem to matter much, they simply copy you. All that matters is that you are present and offer them the attention they need.

yoko888

My child is now six years old. To be honest, watching her grow up has made me let go of many ideas about "what should be done". She speaks later than other children and walks later. I once wondered if I was not doing well enough. But one day, she suddenly told me a story like "Clouds are shy before raining". She can't read perfectly yet, but she will draw a whole dream world and then tell me excitedly like a little writer. Home is the same, love is the same, I haven't changed, but she is growing up at her own pace. Now I think that the best education is not to push her forward, but to accompany her to slowly discover and grow up. Every child has his or her own destiny, and I think what I can do is to accompany her. I am also very grateful for her company, which makes my world bigger, softer, and better. I really love her very much. Although there are pains, doubts, and times when emotions are out of control in this process. But most of them are beautiful. Thinking of her company, my heart is full of joy and love.

Freak_NL

Genetics and a bit of dice rolling. That's the biggest part of the equation it seems. I have only one specimen to work with (and I am not inclined to create more), but he was reading at 4 and currently at 6 reads at a 3rd or 4th grade level, despite still being stuck in kindergarden until September.

Sure, we read to him, and we make him read aloud to us too, but we're really just catalysts. He can make himself comfortable in a chair or on a sofa and read comics (Donald Duck, Asterix, etc.) for hours without any prompting (which, honestly, is a really nice feature to have on a child). I expect we'll be able to coerce him onto autonomously reading suitable books in addition to comics by next year too.

I do strongly believe that him seeing us read, and being surrounded by (actual paper) books helps. It means he grows up in an environment where books are normal, not just something you must grapple with because of school.

I don't like the heavy training implied by the article though. I want to raise a kid who likes reading, not one who will resent being pushed to read.

acquisitionsilk

I wonder if it's merely some language or cultural difference, and I don't mean it as a snipe at all, but may I just say - software products have "features", human beings have traits! Maybe it's a confusion based on the fact that human beings as well as traits also do have "features", but that refers to things like having tiny ears.

Having a very strong liking for sitting reading books for long periods is a lovely trait, but it certainly is not a feature (I would say!).

BobaFloutist

I think it was intentionally playful language, not a language difference.

WillAdams

One thing which I tried to do with my kids, after exhausting all the classics (Narnia, _The Hobbit_, _The Lord of the Rings_, Susan Cooper's _The Dark is Rising Pentalogy_ --- highly recommend the latter for folks who have not read it) was to read biographies in chronological order --- as a dry run I did American Presidents (which did great things for my understanding of the ebb-and-flow of American history, since I would try to read an adult biography in advance in anticipation of questions).

The intent was to then go back to the beginning of human history and read biographies of notable persons in chronological order --- unfortunately, my wife's work schedule changed, so that bedtime reading quit happening --- probably my kids were about to age out of this anyway, but it was an interesting endeavour, and one which I have been meaning to take up again for my own sake. EDIT: and, if I should ever have grandchildren, inflict on them.

pc86

Are they the same sex? I seem to recall a study where there are some - not huge, but statistically significant - differences in first onset of movement vs. language in boys vs. girls.

perlgeek

The common wisdom is that that girls often speak earlier than boys.

pc86

Yeah and anecdotally this is what I've noticed in our family and our friends' families at a pretty high percentage.

randunel

My youngest is a boy, indeed.

HPsquared

Biologically it's not double, you need to add 9 months to both. Then it's not 12m vs 22m, it's 21m vs 31m. Still a big difference but not twice as fast, just 48% faster overall.

Brain development starts very soon after conception.

viraptor

Yeah, one off examples don't really mean much when people talk about anything kids related. In this case additionally because hyperlexia exists. (https://www.healthline.com/health/hyperlexia) Maybe the methods worked, maybe you got lucky, maybe the kid learned despite what you did. Who knows.

pc86

I see this "yeah well that's an anecdote so let's just ignore it" claim a lot but it doesn't hold water in my opinion. Most glaringly, the article almost immediately links to peer-reviewed scholarly research about the effects of reading for pleasure being initiated at various times in development relative to the average. N > 10,000, not that big N is itself a positive measure but it certainly doesn't hurt.

There are certainly times where "this is an anecdote" is useful commentary, even though everybody knows what an anecdote is. But I don't think this is one of those times.

viraptor

I meant the method, not the benefits - that one kid reading at 3yo doesn't say anything about the method used. Also, that paper classifies early as starting reading between 0-7yo. Also, in twin studies they show quite high heritability compared to environment impact (which is higher to be fair). Also the impact they showed was between early reading and positive outcomes, but it doesn't show that (simplifying) you can make kids read earlier in some ways.

So it's an interesting study, but it's not really discussing "How I taught...". It's (simplifying) "do early readers have better life", not "can you use method to give kids better life via earlier reading". (Which may still be true!)

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Jedd

Is that just the phenomenon of subsequent children leveraging the benefits of a slightly older sibling? Combined with some training of the parents by the first child, and therefore a significantly different mindset being exhibited towards the second child.

> The ability to teach your child to do something depends almost entirely on the child ...

Is this a summary of your personal experience or are you citing research?

xattt

I can second the OP. Children can be wildly different, and development can be influenced both ways. The age gap between children also matters.

Yes, children can piggyback off the achievements of their older sibling in social development and play.

However, I found that I am unable to devote as much time with my second child because my attention is split.

Jedd

Your third sentence seems to agree with my suspicion - subsequent children get less attention. (Though I reiterate my belief that some of the apparent developmental difference is because second children don't need to be as communicative as the first child.)

The sibling comments here primarily echoed a similar sentiment, while agreeing that there's variation and assuming that's just random, while also tacitly confirming that 2nd-child tended to perform less well.

wiredfool

First Child: ooh I know nothing. Nothing works. Second Child: Ok, We've got this. Except, No, completely different. Third Child: At least we've got the range. No. No you don't.

Big issue we had with the first was that he was reading several years above grade level, and we ran out of interesting things for him to read that were age appropriate. When they can read the Hobbit at 7, but are scared, it's really difficult.

Of course, he's now reading things like type theory and scares me with Nix advocacy, so I guess it all comes around.

randunel

> > The ability to teach your child to do something depends almost entirely on the child ...

> Is this a summary of your personal experience or are you citing research?

Strictly personal experience, not just my own kids, but also personally observed.

timcobb

Nope, it's "just" genetics...

kayodelycaon

Nope. I’m the older brother and I’ve always been further ahead developmentally.

Which is somewhat ironic because I’m the one that’s bipolar.

darkwater

More or less same here, both girls, now 10 and 7. The 10yo started reading pretty good at 4.5yo on her own, now she reads books for teenagers since a couple of years, the 7yo is more or less OK for her age (probably having her side by side with her sister doesn't help us to be fair).

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flkiwi

Our kid effectively taught himself to read very early. We had been reading to him at every opportunity, and I think he teased out what was going on and, on some level, decided to learn on his own. He's been reading well above his age level for years now. As the OP mentioned, one of the primary short term benefits is that this child is, comparatively, a breeze to parent. If he gets frustrated, he goes and reads. If he gets bored with playing a video game, he goes and reads. He appears to be a well-adjusted kid with a close and functional friend group--within the limits of the COVID generation anyway--and he gets on fine with kids who aren't big readers. It's his thing, his intellectual space.

One thing OP didn't address directly is that the most significant lesson of watching our kid on this journey has been learning on a practical level how early individuality and complex reasoning show up. Before I was a parent, I thought kids were blobs where parenting unlocked skills. Since becoming a parent, I've learned that kids, on some level, are experiencing frustrations and joys that are shockingly similar to adults' and that a lot of their development isn't just bits and pieces turning on over time but affirmative effort on their part. I don't know why that should be surprising given we're the same species, but it really struck me that this little person on some level realized he couldn't read, wanted to, and learned. That affected other areas of our parenting, e.g., addressing his frustration as if it were a rational human response to a challenging situation from his perspective rather than irrational childhood reaction. (Note: He's still a child and we don't parent him as if he's an adult, but we have subtly adjusted our approach to be more ... I don't know, respectful of his individual motivations as a thinking, feeling person with comprehensible goals and desires, even if the underlying support infrastructure is still a bit in flux.)

j2kun

I have been trying to teach my 3 (now 4) y/o to read and while he's getting it, the process is very slow and he won't try reading on his own except to look at the pictures.

On the other hand, he finds numbers delightful, can add two digit numbers and knows his multiplication table up to 10, loves squares and square roots, and can do simple algebra problems in his head (equivalent to solving 3x+1=28). He once sat by himself with his blocks for an hour figuring out all the triangular numbers ("step squad" numbers) that he could make with the 200 blocks he had.

I think you just have to try different things and see what the kid latches on to. Lego, drawing, music, whatever. Reading is not the only way to activate your brain, and I think peer pressure is a big part of why kids want to learn to read once they get to school. That and there are just too many ways to be entertained these days (video, audio, toys, etc.) while reading takes true grit.

jonhohle

My oldest son was similar and when he did start reading he wouldn’t stop. We restricted screen time but never books (until he was up all night reading, rushing through work to read, etc.).

You may want to look into having your son tested for gifted services when he reaches school age and if he’s highly gifted and your district offers it, enroll him in a comprehensive gifted program. Someone with abstract reasoning like that may benefit from a modified educational environment.

11101010001100

Similar story here. Kid is very happy to talk numbers.

IMO logic is something that is not directly taught, so I'm happy to fill this hole as a parent.

euroderf

They tell you to use words that the kid can relate to. So I made a set of flash cards with the names of body parts.

I hacked an HTML <table> so that the cards would come out in only two different sizes, and then laminated & cut them. Also simple words like left, right, front, back. I used font attributes to grey out silent letters and oddities like "gh" (this was for English), and I used <small> for the occasional unusually long word.

Then my kid and I played "The Body Parts Game". I shuffle the cards and go thru them one by one. Each card, I ask him to say the word and then point to the body part.

It went really well. It kept a 2yo entertained and he knew he was learning something important.

WillAdams

The problem of course is how does one continue such a trajectory?

Dividing classes up by reading level is a major factor in reducing problems in a classroom --- but it's only feasible where the number of classes offered and class sizes and school size/budget allow.

The best school system I ever attended extended that to dividing classes betwixt academic and social --- social classes were attended at one's age level (homeroom, civics/social studies, PE, &c.), while academic classes (math, science, English/reading) were attended at one's ability level, with a 4 grade cap until 8th grade --- after that, the school had faculty who were accredited by a local college and there was a mechanism to either bring professors from that college to the school, or to take students to the college for classes --- it was not uncommon for students to graduate and be simultaneously awarded a BS or BA or BFA along with their high school diploma.

ttshaw1

What school system? Sounds like a great setup

WillAdams

As noted elsethread, it was adjudged to be an illegal system by the Mississippi State Supreme Court, so was dismantled.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44126175

xkriva11

Alan Kay: "I had the fortune or misfortune to learn how to read fluently starting at the age of three. So I had read maybe 150 books by the time I hit 1st grade. And I already knew that the teachers were lying to me."

kayodelycaon

I can relate to this. Grade school was hell. Learning cursive when I knew none of the adults in my life used it drove me up a wall. My dad worked for IBM and we had a 286. My mom was doing night classes for her degree and she always typed her papers.

sincerecook

Adults don't go to recess or play marbles either, were you mad about that too?

kayodelycaon

Yes, actually. It was like being locked in a prison yard. I was safer in a classroom.

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sixtram

I taught my five-year-old to read in approximately three months. We progressed from simple letters to sounding out two letters, then three, then words with hyphens, then simple stories, and finally children's books. We practiced daily for 5-20 minutes, five times per week. There were plateaus, but also huge jumps in ability, especially when we took a two-week break. Now, she can read two to three pages of an A4 document in one sitting with great speed (i.e., she looks at the words and sentences in one quick pass). She still slows down and makes some errors with complex new words.

Note that our language is Hungarian, which is much easier to teach because writing and sounding out words are nearly one-to-one in terms of letters and sounds. The AI part: Phonemic orthography: A writing system in which each letter (or combination of letters) consistently represents a specific sound (phoneme), and each sound is represented by a consistent letter. Hungarian is highly phonemic, meaning you can usually tell how to pronounce a word just by looking at how it's written, and vice versa.

acquisitionsilk

Maybe one day I'll get used to people people putting pictures and videos of their 3-year-olds on the internet, but that day has not yet come. I see it there and can only think, oh the poor kid. It even says he's shy at one point in the article.

More on-topic - I recommend Grace Llewellyn and John Holt on learning, to anyone. Truly life-changing material. Finally got around to John Holt recently, and am very happy to eventually read his work.

You can't get back the years made painfully lesser by the school systems we put people through - myself included - and you probably can't undo all the damage done, either. But you can face the absurdity of the situation, and try to improve your own mental life, and that of the people in your life.

evanmoran

I think the main takeaway of this shouldn’t be that all kids will be able to read, but more that parents should not be afraid to try to teach letter sounds/blending/simple reading before kindergarten. So many parents I’ve met feel like this is “way too early” and I found many of those same parents end up tutoring their kids in kindergarten to catch up to grade level.

More recently, I’ve been teaching a 3 year old letter sounds and he loves running around finding signs saying “Dad” I found a “duh”. “Duh duh duh!” (For D). Kids really just want to hang out with you so, it’s ok to just throw in some letter sounds or number counting ideas in here and there. You’ll be surprised what they pick up!

rocmcd

> Kids really just want to hang out with you

Adults spell "love" L-O-V-E. Kids spell "love" T-I-M-E.

explorigin

People are different; that includes children. Some kids can advance in some areas faster than others. But to measure them all by the same ruler (by way of assumed potential) is dehumanizing. Love and raise your kid where they are.

pc86

It's a spectrum. The OP's approach, with the wrong kid, could very quickly turn home into another (worse) school and wreck the kid for a long time. "Raise kids where they are," taken to the extreme, will teach a lot of kids to accept mediocrity.

"Dehumanizing" is extreme. Having goals and benchmarks is important, probably even required, to help everyone grow to their full potential.

Jotalea

I started reading when I was 2, and writing at 4. And in elementary school I was the one that read the fastest. As of 2021 (12 years old) I had read books ranging from 50 to 600 pages; approximately 270 books. Nowadays, I just read reddit stories, programming documentation, blogs, forums and chats; and to be honest, I lost track of how much I have read.

timonoko

Excellent.

I remember we learned to read and write in one month in Finnish school. If this did not happen, one was officially classified as retarded (in 1950s). How long it takes average american to achieve errorfree skills?

Grok:... In USA on average, achieving consistent error-free literacy might take 4-6 years of schooling (kindergarten through fourth grade), but this varies widely.

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