Show HN: SuperUtilsPlus – A Modern Alternative to Lodash
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·May 24, 2025yoz-y
What I’d like is a utility library like this, but instead of it being an actual library, be it some utility that generates a single file with exports of the few functions I need. Even just something that would make copy pasting them easier.
As in, I want actual zero dependencies, not even the library itself. The reason: I never want these to randomly update.
acbart
Couldn't you just pin a specific version dependency? My brain says there's some way to also pin to a hash, but that would require googling and I'm on mobile.
mystifyingpoi
Pinning is a good strategy (I'd say that it should be the default one), but depending on your level of paranoia (think left-pad), you might consider just downloading the lib as it is, and storing it in source control forever.
hinkley
This is why running your own mirror is what most large companies do. Guarantee no take-backs.
nodewrangler
The problem is that even if you pin to a version, at some point you’ll need to update node, typescript, or some other package, and then if this package doesn’t update, then you may have to migrate from it to something else. While js tries to enforce backwards compatibility, and npm, etc. help with the complex landscape, in practice with node, typescript, etc., even with LLMs helping, it can be a pita and hours or days of work to update at times. It’s just not worth it for things you could’ve just implemented yourself. There are exceptions to this, though.
mystifyingpoi
> at some point you’ll need to update node, typescript, or some other package
I experienced both sides of this discussion (project that always pulled :latest disregarding any kind of versioning, and project that had node_modules commited inside the repo) and both extremes suck, but I lean towards the second one. I'll totally take a few days of pain over not knowing whether prod will work today or not.
fsloth
Nobody wants anything _ever_ to ”randomly update”. Why this is the default setting on so many development setups boggles my mind.
I really havent figured out why professional systems insist running on the bleeding edge - it’s your feet are bleeding here I believe. 10 year … 15 year old code is generally excellent if you know it through and thorough.
skydhash
As my experience grows, I'm getting fonder of stances like Debian or Common Lisp, which favors stability. Once you've solved a problem, it's not fun having your foundation morphs under you for no other reasons than bundling features and security updates.
parentheses
OOC, what is the benefit of having a "library" that requires such manual labor to maintain and upgrade?
You'd miss out on CVEs because you don't use the common dependency paradigm.
You'd also miss out on bug fixes if you are not detecting the bug itself.
Help me understand because I'm with you on less dependencies but this does feel a bit extreme.
hofrogs
Why would small functions like "difference", "groupBy", "flatten", etc. have CVEs and require bug fixes? Implementing those correctly is a one and done thing
jsheard
You'd be surprised: https://positive.security/blog/lodash-ramda-underscore-vulne...
programmarchy
shadcn distribution model for utils is a good idea. i wanted something for react hooks as well and was surprised that didn’t seem to exist either.
michaelsbradley
Why not copy & paste the code you need into a vendor/ subdir?
If the vendored code needs to be updated because of a change in your build tools or whatever then you’ll likely be making similar changes to other parts of your project.
_1tan
We use es-toolkit to replace Lodash - how would you compare your library?
We just migrated a React app with around 500k LOC and this worked quite well and flawless.
dhax_or
I've not used es-toolkit but from what I see you get lower bundle size, typescript support and a better performance with our library. I will be releasing the the benchmark soon enough so do watch the repository if you can
uwemaurer
I use es-toolkit. It is fully in Typescript. Every function can be imported without any extra overhead, for simple functions it just adds a few bytes then to the bundle. I doubt "better performance" since most helpers functions are just tiny and there is no room for significant improvements.
So I think trying to be better here is pointless, better focus on offering more helpful utility functions which might be missing in es-toolkit
thih9
About pain points / feature requests:
Is there an idiomatic way to duplicate a hash while replacing one of its values, preferably something that supports nesting?
Whenever I work with react and immutable structures, this comes up and I hack something simple.
I don’t do FE on a regular basis though so my perspective may be skewed.
meeech
don't discount the value of a good docs site. that was one of things i loved about lodash that made it so easy to use, and to discover all the functionality it offered. So if you looking to replace it, would be good to have similar docs.
gaaaaaaaarf
Nice work! Reminds me of https://github.com/angus-c/just
Suggestion: add more tests and run some benchmarks
dhax_or
Thanks for this! I've already started adding more tests. I ran some benchmarks and they were really impressive. I will get it out in the next release
rco8786
I wonder why the authors decided to make `flatten` only go one level deep, and have `flattenDeep` that goes N levels. AFAIK most other implementations of Array.flatten do it recursively through however many levels exist.
insin
The published version appears to be CommonJS only:
$ node index.mjs
import { isString } from 'super-utils-plus'
^^^^^^^^
SyntaxError: Named export 'isString' not found. The requested module 'super-utils-plus' is
a CommonJS module, which may not support all module.exports as named exports.
dannyfritz07
I don't think we've really seen many successors to LoDash other than Ramda because the platform now has many of Underscore's functions built in.
null
7bit
> Like isObject([]) returning true - arrays aren't objects in my mental model.
Correct me if I am wrong, but Array factually are JS objects and "[] instanceof Object" is true.
Fair enough if that does not fit your mental model, but I would not use any library that treats facts like opinions.
williamdclt
I agree with the author that it’s almost never what you want. But I agree with you that it’s the reality of the platform, ignoring it will cause its own problems.
I’d surface the footgun rather than trying to pretend it’s not there: isNonArrayObject and isObjectOrArray, or something like that
dcsan
your option is a bit more verbose but definitely more clear. confusing the underlying definitions of the language itself will lead to problems later.
PUSH_AX
Will it? Will it really?
I’ve been writing JS for so long I’ve forgotten all these language quirks, I feel like it’s fair for most people, these language choices are kind of meaningless in day to day, what’s meaningful is a function returning things that will make sense to most people. Or at least have two functions, languageStrictIsObject()
7bit
Absolutely agree. I also hate that empty arrays are true, which is different from other languages. But I agree that it's better to face the reality of the language than create a function that evaluates [] to false. It trains you a bad habitnand some day that will cause you to introduce a bug.
williamdclt
> I also hate that empty arrays are true, which is different from other languages
I don’t mind that actually! I don’t think I have much use cases for “empty array is semantically different from non-empty”. Usually I find null/undefined are better choices, an empty array is just a normal array, I don’t expect it to be handled differently
bryanrasmussen
libraries of this sort, especially in JavaScript, often exist to enforce a more reasonable mental model rather than the model baked into the language.
7bit
I understand that. I just don't think that it is a good habit. Instead of just learning the languages and it's quirks now you form a bad habit and start to rely on one dependency for all your projects.
bryanrasmussen
this is generally the view I have on these sorts of things as well, although I must admit that my views are often out of step with what everybody else I work with feel on the matter.
ivanjermakov
Distinction is tricky since you can use indexing on plain objects, e.g.
const foo = {};
foo[0] = "bar";null
jokull
I recommend https://remedajs.com/ - they're always making the types more accurate too. Like groupby has nonempty lists.
gcmeplz
The types look great on remeda, but one thing that looks intriguing about SuperUtilsPlus is the focus on being tree-shakeable. Lodash's lack of tree-shake-ability is a drawback to using lodash on the frontend.
edit: the types on remeda look great though! If I were doing a backend-only NodeJS project, I'd be super tempted to test it out.
bythreads
Just import what you use for lodash?, the theres not need for a treeshake situation?
null
Hey HN!
After years of wrestling with Lodash's quirks and bundle size issues, I decided to build something better. SuperUtilsPlus is my attempt at creating the utility library I wish existed.
What makes it different?
TypeScript-first approach: Unlike Lodash's retrofitted types, I built this from the ground up with TypeScript. The type inference actually works the way you'd expect it to.
Sensible defaults: Some of Lodash's decisions always bugged me. Like isObject([]) returning true - arrays aren't objects in my mental model. Or isNumber(NaN) being true when NaN literally stands for "Not a Number". I fixed these footguns.
Modern JavaScript: Built for ES2020+ with proper ESM support. No more weird CommonJS/ESM dance. Actually tree-shakable: You can import from specific modules (super-utils/array, super-utils/object) for optimal bundling. Your users will thank you.
The best parts IMO:
compactNil() - removes only null/undefined, leaves falsy values like 0 and false alone
differenceDeep() - array difference with deep equality (surprisingly useful)
Better random utilities with randomUUID() and randomString()
debounce() that actually works how you expect with proper leading/trailing options
Also genuinely curious - what are your biggest pain points with utility libraries? Did I miss any must-have functions?