I ditched my laptop for a pocketable mini PC and a pair of AR glasses
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·April 12, 2025raffraffraff
regularfry
The first gen XReal glasses are similar in that you need software running on the host to get anything other than dumb monitor mode. With these newer models they've moved a bunch of the functionality into hardware on the glasses themselves, so you get virtual monitor and wider device support out of the box.
There are a couple of projects that are trying to get better open source support of the Airs on linux; I've not kept up with their progress.
Hojojo
I really liked the new Xreal glasses because of the built-in head tracking. But I was getting a lot of drift over time such that after anywhere between a few minutes and maybe half an hour, the center of the screen wouldn't be straight ahead anymore. Meaning I would need to reset the display location far too often. I ended up returning them because of it.
regularfry
Oh ick. That's not so good. Hope they can firmware-update their way out of that. It's odd that they've got that problem because my experience with the tracking on the Airs with the desktop software driving it has been pretty much fine.
arend321
Waiting for the XReal One Pro to vibe code using Aider and Samsung DeX in a Termux terminal while walking my countries national parks (just something I would like to try)
fsiefken
I tried something like that 2 decades ago with a 640x480 monocular strapped to my sunglasses, with interpolation i could use a 1024x768 resolution in combination with a arm based pocketpc with host usb and compactflash video-out. I used it for reading and 'fast' offline wikipedia/tr3 database search with both frogpad and twiddler2 and some voice commands.
The problem is that you can see the foreground and depth ok as the monocular screen on my left eye 'merged' semi-transparently due to brain processing. I assume this is a bit worse on the XReal. The main issue was that when walking you make a slight sinus wave up and down compared to the foreground. You don't notice this usually, but with a paragraph of text or code positioned in front of your eyes it becomes very distracting.
One solution, using a mode of transport that doesn't involve moving up and down slightly, for example using a bicycle or car for transportation. In both circumstances, the latter being the most problematic, it's not advisable safety wise (or even illegal) and a screenreader solution is better. I had the idea of using Emacsspeak for this, or do a smart speakup echo from the commandline.
Another solution is using RSVP, or using both RSVP and text to speech. Samsung DeX is great though, Motorola, Huawai and recent Android have support for desktop mode too (if the phone supports video-out).
carpo
I was thinking the same while was walking my dog.
georgewsinger
SimulaVR[1][2] is releasing our standalone (belt-strappable) compute packs this year, which will (ii) come pre-installed with our FOSS Linux VR Desktop compositor and (ii) work with AR headsets like the Rokid Max series (and potentially the XReal headsets). So basically: you'll get full Linux Desktop apps in AR (not just Android ones) with actual VR window management (not just "dumb monitor mode").
[1] I know we're taking forever D: But we intend for this to be a way to release an intermediate product (which we've been making anyway for our full headsets).
[2] Our next blog update will be about this. Here's a video video preview: https://youtube.com/shorts/Y67D8DkqScU?si=LpdSpjmfGn2k2rxP
hoppp
I have xreal air 2 that gets zero use. I dont recommend them that much, working on a laptop is better and since they constantly making newer versions its worth the wait to not buy anything current and wait for the next one which which will be better. I had the buyers regret, wishing I waited longer for the newer version but unless I buy a steam deck to play games Ill probably never use them.
pridkett
Ditto. I bought them because I travel a lot for work and TVs at hotels are always a mess when it comes to HDMI in. I use them on maybe 1 of 4 flights I’m on (usually on SteamDeck with XR plug-in in Decky), and rarely at the hotels.
The only time they were really helpful for me was one flight when I had to work on some sensitive content and the person next to me was obviously trying to shoulder surf me.
Maybe it would be more productive if I had a newer iPhone with USB -C or the XReal One glasses. But having to use all the dongles to get to go from iPhone to lightning/HDMI adapter to HDMI to USB-C cable to original XReal Beam (which is way underpowered), to USB-C to glasses, that’s a ton of cables. And some forget, you’ve now got to pair your AirPods with the Beam! Ughh. It’s a little better with the Beam Pro. It’s faster and generally a good experience, but it’s still another device and still doesn’t have a good way to stream 3D content from Plex/NAS. Ugh.
That being said, when I put in the effort, the picture is very nice.
NBJack
The iPhone sucks with most if not all AR glasses solutions. Most flagship Android devices just need a single cord. Apple made their choices, and it sucks.
NBJack
The Air 2 sadly went backwards in the clarity at the edges, which makes them harder to use for work.
gattr
I'd like to try this kind of setup (coding from a lounge chair with just a keyboard tray & trackball, yay!), "dumb monitor" would be sufficient - but since switching to high-DPI displays in 2016 I really need this to be 4K.
ytjohn
I did this with nreal air glasses (now xreal air), specifically for coding. Most uses cases for these type of glasses is around media consumption, so I was taking a bit of a leap when doing it for coding/heavy text usage.
There are two modes. One is fixed so that the virtual monitor stays in one spot on the lenses. The single virtual monitor stays directly in front of you. The other is floating, which basically keeps the virtual monitor in one spot and you can turn your head to look away. This mode also lets you set up 3 virtual monitors side by side so you can turn to look at them. It uses head tracking to basically shift the image in the opposite direction you turn your head.
In both cases, the screen does move, and this is super relevant when looking at text and down at status bars. The fixed one is better because it moves relative to your head, but both cases have some amount of jitter. I found the best case coding scenario is the fixed monitor (no head tracking), and being in a seat wth head rest and you can press your head back into it. This minimizes your head movement, which minimizes how much the text moves about. The downside is that we're used to looking up and down at the screen, so you want to set the monitor at a proper distance so you can look up and down with just your eyes. You really want to shrink the monitor to a size close to that of a laptop.
I ultimately ended up not liking the experience very much. No matter what, you're gonna end up with some amount of text movement. There is also a bit of light saturation bleed through (old CRT style). Putting the blackout blinders on helps a lot, but the projected nature remains an issue. Essentially only usable long term in a recliner or a car seat with headrest. Unlike the author, I am using a work provided laptop and I have that with me anyways. There was coolness to leaving the laptop in my backpack and just bringing the glasses up via wire - but to actually do anything, I need a keyboard. Which means taking along a Lenovo's thinkpoint trackpad keyboard (really great backpack keyboard); or pulling out the laptop.
The newer ones, like Xreal One from the article might be a better experience. A coworker had the air 2 pros and used them for travel. He said he didn't really notice the things I did, so maybe it was a improved experience even with that version. But he mostly worked in office documents and only occasional terminal work. When traveling and using the glasses, it was almost all "office docs", and only for short periods of time. For me - I am going to wait and be a slow adopter to move to a new version.
russfink
Thank you for your detailed insights. I was on the fence, now I think I’ll wait.
WesolyKubeczek
If your monitor keeps following your head movements, even teeny tiny ones, it gets annoying very fast.
raffraffraff
Yep, can't get past it
0x400000
The open-source Breezy GNOME is worth a try. It has head tracking and multi-monitor in beta with GNOME DE.
1oooqooq
open source that requires a commercial license. and the drivers link to a repo that 404. think i will pass.
mzajc
It gets even worse, looks like their driver makes calls to google analytics.[1] I'd stay away. The README doesn't even mention it, and the promise that "your personal data will never be shared, sold, or distributed in any form." certainly sounds misleading when you consider this.
[1] https://github.com/wheaney/XRLinuxDriver/blob/main/src/plugi...
mbreese
Which is particular odd to have a publicly available GPL repo. For this project, it looks like anyone could just comment out those sections of code that check for a license and redistribute. Or is there another binary somehow required and wasn’t clear in my 2 minutes of searching?
yokoprime
The thing with a laptop or tablet is that setup time id nearly nothing, so just kicking back in the couch or anywhere you can quickly reply to an email or do some work. this setup requires sitting down at a table or desk. this little overhead will create enough of a barrier that you wont actually do it unless you plan on doing some serious work. So that makes this at best a desktop replacement.
sathackr
I've been doing this a few months now with an xreal one and minisforum um790.
Same ability to power via usb-C and have other ports available.
It's worked very well, the 1920x1080 resoultion of the glasses is pretty clear but I find "anchoring" the screen to be most usable because the edges do get a little blurry, but with the screen anchored you can just "look around" a little to bring them into focus.
The biggest drawback is the resolution. While still very sharp and clear, it's tough going from a framework laptop 2256x1504 to 1920x1080.
I'm just used to everything being a little smaller and being able to fit more info into my FoV vs having to look around a "larger" screen for it.
KolibriFly
I feel like resolution is kind of the last big hurdle for AR glasses to really feel like a true laptop replacement
raffraffraff
Same with the Viture Pro. The OLED is crisp and colourful but the resolution is too low to be useful for productivity unless they really nail the head tracking, and can support lots of virtual monitors (and they haven't done that).
sathackr
yea I tried the Viture and the headtracking was nowhere near where it needed to be. I really liked everything else about the Viture Pros. They were lighter than the Xreal ones, generated less heat, and had individual diopter adjustments on each lense.
Xreal One however has rock-solid head tracking. It does drift occasionally but it's very tolerable. I returned the Viture Pro and ketp the Xreal one.
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cma
Are any of them 4:4:4 1080? Previous gen was only green at full resolution I think which wasn't great for text
senectus1
yeah this is whats holding me back... if it was half the price i could handle that resoultion just for the portability benefit, but double the res and I'll dump my monitor
Abishek_Muthian
AR glasses brings great accessibility improvements, especially those who are bedridden; I wrote the need-gap for wearable low latency computer displays[1] ~6 years ago when I was in bed recovering from a spinal fusion surgery as the only option available to me were those unwieldy bed mounts for monitors and it requires help from others to adjust the angles.
[1] https://needgap.com/problems/16-wearable-low-latency-display...
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK
I am partially bedridden ... so far mackbook air remoting to my desktop PC looks like the best solution - it's light, sturdy, stays cool, has decent resolution and excellent battery life. The only thing I don't like is non-standard keyboard.
wordpad
Since when is having a laptop on your lap or by your side a problem in bed? That's my default wfh setup. I even have a 2nd monitor on a standard arm mounted to my bedrest for when I need it. I do also use Xreal One but only when I'm trying not to wake my partner.
Abishek_Muthian
There are people who can only lie flat on the bed and can't sit without support.
em-bee
to use a laptop you need to be sitting up. when you are bedridden many times you can't do that. and even healthy, sitting in bed with my legs stretched out is uncomfortable for longer periods of time. not to mention most people would balk at their partner doing that when they share a bed. consider yourself lucky. but do check that you are giving enough attention to your partner otherwise. i have at least one friend who got divorced specifically because he was more interested in computers than his wife.
Dylan16807
> not to mention most people would balk at their partner doing that when they share a bed. consider yourself lucky. but do check that you are giving enough attention to your partner otherwise. i have at least one friend who got divorced specifically because he was more interested in computers than his wife.
The question was about a laptop as contrast to AR glasses. AR glasses are worse here.
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK
Computers are definitely better than wives :)
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jareds
I got excided looking at this hoping there was a laptop with out a screen. I'm totally blind so the power draw of a screen is pointless. I currently use my ROG Alli with a Bluetooth keyboard to connect to my more powerful laptop which has a keyboard that's going bad. While this setup works well and the battery life is pretty good it would be much nicer if I didn't have to put a keyboard on my lap, and the Alli on a table. At least the Alli doesn't need to be somewhere where I can look at it.
tmzt
I'm not sure if this would work for you, but there are inexpensive devices that plug into an HDMI port. They appear to the computer as a monitor. I use them for screen sharing to a remote display, but they should enable to think there is a monitor attached. It negotiates the display information as if it was an actual monitor.
Here's the pack of three I purchased on Amazon.
Woieyeks 3 Pack HDMI Dummy Plug https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CKKLTWMN
nemomarx
Would one of those computer in a keyboard set ups work, like the rapsberry pi one?
balfirevic
On my Macbook Air, if I bring the screen brightness all the way down the screen appears to be completely off.
stoltzmann
You could take a normal laptop and remove the screen.
RandomBacon
I've seen several laptops used like this. The only issue is that the WiFi antennas are (usuall?) in the screen.
jareds
I wonder how the Framework laptops work with out a screen? I'm interested in the new Framework 12 for it's small size.
stoltzmann
You can get some other antennas, place them in the chassis and connect them to the network card. On (at least the first run of) MNT Reform laptops that's how it's done.
nashashmi
There is a handheld keyboard you can get called the mini keyboard. It has a trackpad for a mouse. Connects by Bluetooth.
justincormack
He says he uses the Khadas Mind / Khadas Mind 2 which is a mini pc that has a battery so its pretty much a screenless laptop. Not clear the battery is very large but he uses an external one too as its usb c powered.
stavros
It says that the battery is for when you want to move the PC between desks, so I'd imagine it only lasts for five minutes or so.
ac29
Its a 90Wh battery powering a mobile SoC. It should last significantly more than 5 mins.
nashashmi
It goes into standby mode when unplugged. And lasts for 25 hours in standby. It is great for unplugging from one workplace and plugging into another.
CasperH2O
Since you mentioned the ROG Ally, if you are looking for a handheld without a screen (basically a controller with a built in computer) you may like the Tecno Pocket Go.
Also, great pun with being blind and "excited looking at this".
gostsamo
> Also, great pun with being blind and "excited looking at this".
I'm also blind and this is not a pun. No one blind I know would change their usage of language to avoid using vision verbs for the sake of underlining how blind they are.
wizzwizz4
Obligatory SMBC comic: https://smbc-wiki.com/index.php/Dragons
supermatt
The Tecno Pocket Go kickstarter seems to already be 4 months late and lots of complaints in the comments
KolibriFly
Honestly surprised no one's really leaned into that as a product category yet. Seems like there could be a small but very appreciative market for it
Mortiffer
Sounds like sponsored content. Every other review I have read people say they go back to laptop because the text fidelity, eye strain and keyboard on lap is just the best productivity setup
videogreg93
I had trouble believing anything in the article since every sentence or 2 has a link to "the best laptop" or "the best powerbank". Just seems like a hub for a bunch of links to sponsored content.
andybak
I'm over 50 and need reading glasses as well as distance glasses. I actually find working in the Quest 3 better than a laptop in many ways. The balance betweeen (virtual) screen size and focussing distance seems to be easier to balance. With a laptop the distance sweet spot for vision isn't always the same as the comfort sweet spot for posture. I could probably optimize my desk setup to improve this - but the point of a laptop is freedom from being chained to a desk.
If I could get a remote keyboard/trackpad with a better range then I wouldn't need a laptop at all but currently I also use a laptop and Chrome Remote Desktop when I need text entry or a regular mouse.
losvedir
Yeah, it's interesting because the focal distance in the Quest is a fixed ~5 ft, regardless of the apparent depth of the thing you're looking at in VR. This is a pretty comfortable spot for old eyes, so it can make things a little crisper compared to real life, at shorter and further apparent distances.
Though it comes with its own set of discomfort issues: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergence-accommodation_confl...
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK
Do you wear both VR and regular glasses? I'm not sure the VR set can accommodate cylinder and astigmatism of my prescription lenses.
jbs789
I thought the same. Notice he doesn’t say it’s better than a laptop, only better than he expected. Then he goes on to explain what he doesn’t like about laptops generally, without explaining what he doesn’t like about this set up.
NBJack
I use a pair of Air Ones with prescription lens inserts and a DIY nose pad for comfort. I can't beat my desktop monitors for clarity, but it is fantastic if you have to read a lot of documentation and like distraction free environments. My job let's me book up my Samsung phone for basic access to documents, and I enjoy reading up on things as I get away from my desk for a change of pace. To say nothing of flying coach with my steam deck on a massive screen.
regularfry
I really, really wanted the SimulaVR headset to work out because of th attention they were paying to text rendering. The hardware feels dead but the virtual desktop project might still have legs: https://github.com/SimulaVR/Simula
As far as eye strain goes, I think there's room for argument: having virtual screens cinema-screen-distance away from you is less straining than something under a meter away, but only if the text rendering is up to the job.
bgribble
I don't know that the hardware is dead yet. They got a cash infusion last year and there are occasional hardware updates in their Discord. It's just a slow process with 1-2 engineers total working on the many different hardware and software and firmware elements of the overall product.
regularfry
Yeah - last update on the web page was, what, December? I think they're going to get outrun by the rest of the market. "Walking dead", possibly. If I can get NUC+XReals+some sort of integrated desktop then they'd need something really compelling to make their headset worthwhile at the price they're aiming at.
layer8
Laptops are pretty bad ergonomically, compared to a proper desktop setup. It’s true that current AR tech is even worse for most.
mrbonner
The Xreal is a nice device. I got the first gen for $199. I'm able to plug this into the MacBook pro and watch Netflix in bed. The fonts do look a bit blurry and small. I don't think I can work with it full time. I don't have myopia (or my number is small to notice).
jwr
Thanks for posting this! I'd be very interested in more real-life usage comments from people, I don't trust YouTube "reviewers" (who get stuff for free and want cosy relationships with companies).
I wonder specifically if their high-end devices (Xreal One Pro?) would be OK for some amount of coding work, or is it just a movie-watching screen. Even if it is only for watching movies, it might still be interesting for flights, though.
TrueDuality
I have the Xreal Air and it's alright. Low resolution and a bit blurry text still. It's the nature of optics right now.
It's a single virtual display by default unless you run a fairly unstable piece of software. I use it mostly on plane flights.
It feels like the tech is almost close enough to really be useful but it's just not quite there yet. It's useful but not pleasant.
mdp2021
> a bit blurry
I found the Epson Moverio very crisp.
...Of course, though, I used at around 12..14 lines per screen. You have virtual relatively small screens in front of your eyes...
regularfry
I've used my Air for coding work. I found that I couldn't stick with it in Dumb Screen mode. I have astigmatism and the lenses to correct it; and my impression is that the lenses slightly contract the usable FoV which means you need the head tracking to be able to look around the screen more. That means you need the virtual desktop code running on the host (or the dongle, which I don't have) and the OSes you can use are them restricted.
With that, though, it's fine. The main reason I don't spend as much time in them these days is that I'm spending a lot more of my time in video calls than coding and we've not socially normalised big black sunglasses on video calls yet.
mrbonner
I would not use this for coding, even with their high end glasses and corrected vision. I don't use all of the fancy 3D, VR features either. They just feel like gimmicks with buggy software for me.
If you keep that expectation and use it like an external dumb monitor, it is great.
nine_k
I can imagine that such glasses would allow to really work, or at least read comfortably, on an airplane, flying economy class.
criddell
Xreal lets you return devices for 30 days. You could try one basically for the cost of return shipping.
KolibriFly
Watching Netflix in bed with a giant virtual screen sounds pretty ideal though, not gonna lie
elcritch
It’s pretty good on airplanes too
T3uZr5Fg
This is a glimpse into computing's near future. The Nebula Capsule packs enough power for basic work, but the real breakthrough is the Rokid Max glasses. With advances in AR optics and compute power, these portable setups will soon replace laptops entirely for many users.
herpdyderp
How good are actual VR headsets at being virtual desktop screens? Specifically I've been interested in the Bigscreen Beyond 2 due to its extreme lightweight, but most people seem to use them for gaming instead of doing work. I want more screens (or, even better, an infinite screen) but I don't have the desk space for them. I know the Vision Pro sort of does this but I need the full power of my maxed out MacBook Pro, the Vision Pro is too heavy, and it's way too expensive.
heelix
I picked up a Quest 3 headset, with the thoughts of using it coding when I had to deal with a hotel style work desk. The text was just not sharp enough to be usable for programming.
bemmu
Same, while I use it for Beat Saber all the time, after testing virtual desktop and the new native desktop sharing, I quickly abandoned attempts to use it for work.
Not only because of the resolution, but also it’s tiring to have something strapped to your face, and it makes it hard to have a cup of coffee or a snack.
KronisLV
I remember using my old Quest 2 with an app called Immersed that ran on the Quest too and rendered the environment there, seemingly streaming the monitors in what felt like higher resolution vs the Quest Link. It was really pleasant until the Immersed app removed support for physical monitors and I could no longer use my 4 monitor PC setup in VR: https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/1cm2niy/imm...
I actually enjoyed it, because having nothing other than a black void or space or whatever in my vision was surprisingly zen and nice. It wasn’t quite like my 1080p monitors, a bit closer to what felt like 720p, though the absolute biggest issue was the pressure on my head which meant that it became uncomfortable after a few hours, even with a custom strap - something that had gotten better in the more recent hardware.
Aside from that, I’d say that Virtual Desktop is pretty nice but also has artificial limitations on how many screens it can display: https://www.uploadvr.com/virtual-desktop-multiple-monitors-u...
I’ve never really found that sweet spot that I had between discovering Immersed and them ruining the app for me again.
raffraffraff
These AR glasses are not. It feels like sitting at my desk looking at a single static 27" monitor with 1080p res. The fully immersive ones like the Quest 3 or Apple Vision are better.
dr_kiszonka
I am very curious about BB2 too. I can't really imagine using them outside (cafe, train) because without a pass through I wouldn't feel comfortable, but at home it shouldn't be a problem. (Unless, you have cats maybe.)
jbellis
The ones that require base stations like the BB are not very portable.
plun9
They're pretty good. It's just that they get uncomfortable to use for long periods of time.
creativenolo
So hard to see the content sneaked in around the ads
danielEM
Having nreal air. It is so freaking inconvenient to wear for longer that every time I see someone posting how they replaced regular screen with ar glasses or vr (yes, tried also Quest 2) I laugh HARD!
andybak
I regularly work for a few hours at a time in a Quest 3. Feel free to laugh.
danielEM
Didn't try Quest 3, but biggest disadvantages of quest 2 are:
- half a kilo hanging in front of your face
- working in the summer w/o air conditioning is a nightmare
andybak
Never massively noticed the weight but I guess I'm comparing with the OG Vive and other 1st gen headsets.
As for the summer thing - I live in the UK so it's less of an issue...
spicyusername
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I tried this with the Viture Pro XR glasses last year and it sucks. Can't use it with Linux, except in dumb monitor mode. No head tracking unless you're using a supported OS. Android app sucks becaus you can't use it with any old app, eg productivity apps (their app is like a demo of head tracking that only supports stuff like YouTube and local media). Maybe I should have purchased the Xreals?