QVQ-Max: Think with Evidence
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·April 3, 2025torginus
I wonder why are we getting these drops during the weekend. Is the AI race truly that heated?
jsemrau
Judging from my blog, I get much more engagement on the weekends.
daxfohl
IIUC engineers in China only get one day off per week.
mohsen1
> March 28, 2025
frainfreeze
I guess a lot of people do their regular 9-5 through week and play with new stuff on the weekends. But also yes, it is truly that heated
daxfohl
IIUC engineers in China only get one day off per week. IDK if that's hyperbole or not.
null
xpe
The about page doesn’t shed light on the composition of the core team nor their sources of incomes or funding. Am I overlooking something?
> We are a group of people with diverse talents and interests.
tough
I think Qwen team is alibaba AI arm https://qwenlm.github.io/about/
Alifatisk
I’ve tried QVQ before, one issue I always stumbled upon is that it entered an endless loop of reasoning. It felt wrong letting it run for too long, I didn’t want to over consume Alibabas gpus.
I’ll try QVQ-Max when I get home. It’s kinda fascinating how these models can interpret an image and actually understand what is in it and reason around it. So cool.
AbuAssar
Naming things is truly hard even for the smartest people.
aitchnyu
I appreciate Sony and AI companies for not naming their wares Cake Super Pro or such.
ttul
Just going off the blog post, this seems like a multimodal LLM that uses thinking tokens. That’s pretty cool. Is this the first of its kind?
unixhero
So how do I run it locally?
gatienboquet
Isn't "thinking" in image mode basically what chatgpt 4o image generation do ?
simonw
Not at all. GPT-4o is image output - this model (and previous Qwen release QvQ - https://simonwillison.net/2024/Dec/24/qvq/) are image input only with a "reasoning" chain of thought to help analyze the images.
8ibzjj
WHY
drapado
Unfortunately, no open weights this time :(
fxj
https://ollama.com/joefamous/QVQ-72B-Preview
Experimental research model with enhanced visual reasoning capabilities.
Supports context length of 128k.
Currently, the model only supports single-round dialogues and image outputs. It does not support video inputs.
Should be capable of images up to 12 MP.
drapado
>Last December, we launched QVQ-72B-Preview as an exploratory model, but it had many issues.
That's an earlier version released some months ago. They even acknowledge it.
The version they present in the blog post and you can run in their chat platform is not open or available to download.
xpe
The wisdom of open weights is hotly debated.
drapado
wisdom? I don't get what you meant with that. What is clear is that open weights benefits society as we can run it locally and privately.
xpe
Have you sought out alternative positions that you might be missing?
xpe
I notice four downvotes so far for stating a fact that a debate exists. My comment above didn't even make a normative claim. For those who study AI risks, there is indeed a _debate_ about the pros and cons of open weights. The question of "what are the implications of open-weight models?" is not an ideological one; it is a logical and empirical one.
I'm not complaining; it is useful to get an aggregated signal. In a sense, I like the downvotes, because it means there are people I might be able to persuade.
So how do I make the case? Remember, I'm not even making an argument for one side or the other! My argument is simply: be curious. If appropriate, admit to yourself e.g. "you know, I haven't actually studied all sides of the issue yet; let me research and write down my thinking..."
Here's my claim: when it comes to AI and society, you gotta get out of your own head. You have to get out of the building. You might even have to get out of Silicon Valley. Go learn about arguments for and against open-weights models. You don't have to agree with them.
moffkalast
Is there a good wisdom benchmark we can run on those weights? /s
curtisszmania
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I think this is old news, but this model does better than llama 4 maverick on coding.