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Pixel 9a: The latest A-series phone with Google AI smarts at an unbeatable value

Lanolderen

I recently got a Pixel 8a since my Nova 5t died from water damage and I wanted to try GrapheneOS, I wanted a smallish phone with eSIM and it was one of the cheapest phones long term when comparing OS update support length. I still prefer the Nova ergonomics with the fingerprint sensor on the power button and the power button below the volume but aside from that:

The notch is not an issue at all, it appeared larger to me in pictures.

The camera focus has not died on a motorcycle without vibration damping and the phone itself has not died to rain. The plastic back is also nice since I don't have to worry about it cracking.

GrapheneOS has only been problematic with Revolut from which I migrated and Sparkasse's online banking application, although their 2FA app works fine so I can still do everything in browser. Migrating away from them ATM. Past that GrapheneOS has been a joy to use. Very powerful yet simple.

Battery life is kinda iffy and the slow charging is a bit annoying at times.

To me the 9a looks like more of the same essentially so I don't know if I'd spend 550 Eur on it but I'm pretty happy with my 8a for ~330. Though realistically most of my love for it is probably GrapheneOS.

MurkyLabs

I recently upgraded from a galaxy s8 to a pixel 9 xl because I wanted to try Graphene myself as well. It's been a huge jump that I'm still getting used to but I'm a fan of GrapheneOS. There's some learning I needed to do but I do love the security features that both Graphene and Android OS have implemented since Android 9

dns_snek

> GrapheneOS has only been problematic with Revolut

That's odd, did it complain about anything? I use GrapheneOS on my Pixel 8a and Revolut works without any problems for me. It's also on this list of banking applications that have been verified to work on GrapheneOS:

https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...

Lanolderen

For me they blocked me via the Play Integrity API for using a modified OS. Writing them got me nowhere and there are 100 other similar services so I moved on.

Apparently it's been fixed:

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/113869402100735005

But I honestly can't be bothered if they're trying to block me.

smusamashah

I wish this 'a' series kept audio Jack. I have a 4a which is the last one with audio jack.

edit: Otherwise I don't see any value in all these internet dependent AI features. Performance is more than enough even on older phones (4a for example). Google's camera is the main feature that piques my interest.

lm28469

Same here, I listen to a lot of music and I refuse to buy e-waste earbuds with tiny ass non user replaceable batteries that will fail in a few years at best while delivering audio quality on par with $30 wired buds.

Dongles are a pain in the ass and keep disconnecting if you look at them the wrong way (walking, gym, &c.). If it wasn't for the camera quality I'd already have moved to something else, when the phone dies I might go back to a dedicated audio device

coldpie

I use dongles and have been reasonably happy (yes, I'd rather have a jack, but the dongles are good enough). Have you tried a few brands? The best ones I found have been Best Buy's Insignia brand. They do eventually break, but they tend to last about 2-6 months or longer for me, which isn't too terrible given the price.

jakub_g

I tried two jack-to-usb-c adapters in $5-$10 range (tbh there's very little choice) and it's not great.

- first was working with Pixel 6 but no longer with Pixel 8

- the other works with Pixel 8, but sometimes cuts the output for 0.5s (I think it cuts the output after a silence, but not always); also occasionally there's terrible thrashing for a few sec depending on how the cable is rotated

Plus in any case, you always have some white audio noise at low volume levels (and when paused etc) which is annoying when I want to listen not very loud in the evening.

If someone has a good adapter to recommend, which works with 8+, I'm all ears.

Edit: just read about Apple adapter in another thread, gonna give it a try.

lm28469

I tried anything from 0.5$ aliexpress to the apple dongle. The apple is fine but in europe you get something like 50% of the maximal volume which isn't enough in a lot of situations depending on the headset.

red-iron-pine

buy a better bluetooth headset or wearable bluetooth audio. I had an LG 730 set that lasted me for close to 6 years. ear buds are an apple meme.

but I agree with the general sentiment: outside of a good camera, I can't see a real advantage of the Pixel, and the AI is less than $0 value for me -- I don't need something data mining me in realtime more than most phones already do.

makeitdouble

For what it's worth, outside of the sheer photography parts, with the better processors and memory multi-task is actually usable (no crashes nor leaving the apps in unstable states).

Wireless charging also had an unexpected (to me) effect of freeing the USB port while charging, which is great with Qi2 mobile batteries when plugging headphones or external storage. I don't know if the 9a gets it, but display mirroring is also surprisingly useful, especially for people who don't want to network their TVs.

None of it is critical, and the audio jack is really missing, but I think we're getting decent features aside.

rchaud

AI on phones is its 3D TV moment. Phones are commodities now and like computers, don't need to be upgraded for several years. So phone vendors need a new selling point.

gekoxyz

didn't headphone jack removal come also because the DAC (Digital-Analog Converter) made interference with the Cellular Modem? Or is it just propaganda I read about online?

jsheard

They still need an audio DAC and amplifier for the internal speakers, so no.

exabrial

100% propoganda.

There are multiple switching power supplies in that phone that produce tons of noise already and it's all abated.

H1Supreme

Yeah, I hate this move. I own good, low Ohm headphones than can be powered by a phone, but they are all 3.5mm jacks.

LarryDarrell

I recently bought my wife a Pixel 8 ($500) and myself a Moto G Stylus ($175). The Pixel has a better camera, but that seems to be about it.

Something I like about my Moto is that it has a sdcard slot. That means I can sync up my entire music library (~600GB). That means I only need a small phone service plan ($15/mo). It also means I get to listen to all the Wilco I want while riding my bike down by the river where there's shoddy reception. There's also a headphone jack, which still comes in handy.

My lament is that as phones get more expensive, they seem to get less useful/interesting.

_fat_santa

The 2010's were an exciting time because every year new phones would come out that would be double the power of the previous generation (I still remember trying out an iPhone 3GS when it came out and it was noticeably faster than my iPhone 3G). But I would say starting in like 2016, the progress slowed down and it's now much more incremental.

I now recommend to my friends and family to get lightly used phones that are 2-3 years old. Personally I recently upgraded from an iPhone 11 to an iPhone 15 and the only reason I did so was to go down in screen size from a "Pro Max" to just a "Pro". I imagine I will keep this device for the next 5-7 years and by then the reason I'll be getting a new phone probably won't be because they are noticeably faster.

But I gotta say I like where phones are now. I remember in the 2010's you had to plop down some serious money to get a super fast phone, nowdays I can buy a $150 phone on Amazon that would probably be a great phone for at least 4-5 years.

bryanlarsen

3 year old phones often have degraded batteries, which is a large part of the reason why they're so available and so cheap. You can put a new battery in for ~$50 and get a fabulous value.

rchaud

I have the same phone. SD card AND headphone jack is basically unheard of on so called "flagship" phones. The camera is definitely a step down though.

The phone even has a stylus with a built in slot, although the screen itself is not presssure sensitive, the experience is like tapping on a Palm PDA.

Lanolderen

Motorolas seemed cool when I was looking for a phone recently but their update support policy was very short. Whether it matters is another question but still..

tootie

I haven't seen a worthwhile innovation in phone design in at least 5 years. Everything is such a marginal gain for a smaller set of use cases. I got my kid a $150 Moto G Power like 4 years ago because it had a giant battery that lasted 3 days. That's an actually useful feature. It still runs everything just fine and has a fingerprint reader. Not much need for anything else.

lostmsu

$175? Was it with a carrier plan?

LarryDarrell

Unlocked. It was a 2023 model I bought in 2024. There are some screaming good deals if you don't mind buying one model older at the right time. I cannot stress enough how much I don't care about OS updates as long as my apps continue to work (not many, mostly from F-Droid).

tasty_freeze

At this point I believe google is personally trying to rub it in my face that they can do what they want.

I have been a user of android for 15+ years and have had a pixel 4a for the past three years and was happy with it. In january they had a cryptic announcement that some 4a's needed a software update to deal with an unspecified battery issue. The three options provided weren't described well and once you choose you can't change your mind. The software really nerfed the battery on the phone and it often refuses to charge or lies about the level of charge, and it needs to be charged five times a day.

I opted to go with the $100 discount and I was going to get an 8a (list $499). At the time the google store had it on sale for $100. They took three weeks to issue the discount code, just after the sale ended, so it was kind of a charade. Fine. I go to redeem it ... and they won't just accept my credit card which they have on file and routinely charge things against it. It turns out, to use the code you have to send a picture of your credit card and front and back of your driver's license!

Last night I bought an 8a without the discount code because I don't want to send that info. And today they announce the 9a at the same price. F me. This has pushed me to degoogle my life more. I'm going to install grapheneOS and I'm seriously considering dropping google fiber and go back to spectrum (which is its own horror show, but doesn't have the power of google).

xnx

Is this better than a used Pixel 8 Pro (which is cheaper)?

makeitdouble

Getting the macro focus is pretty interesting.

It was to some of us the main differenciator with the non-a series, and for comparison the iPhone 16e also didn't get a macro mode. Given how solid the previous a series were, this looks like a really good phone.

jjice

I liked my Pixel 6a and 8 a lot when I had them. That said, the "AI" features I liked the most were the onboard transcription and the at a glance music recognition. The music recognition was seriously good and since it always ran in the background on device, it was always there when you picked up your phone.

The assistant changes were unimpressive and invasive IMO and I felt like I could never take advantage of Google's main suite of features because I didn't trust them or their privacy policies. Apple does a lot more on device and I respect them more from a privacy perspective, so they won me as a customer.

The other issue I had - and I don't know if this is an Android across the board issue or a Pixel thing - was that apps would _regularly_ need force kills and restarts. Mind you, this was on a Pixel 8 when it was their flagship phone. Things just didn't work as well. It was one of the things I was more pleasantly surprised by when switching to iOS. Apps generally run better and crash/bork way less.

The other thing that I don't blame Google or Android for is that iOS apps just seem to have more attention put into them. Larger market share for most app audiences and I assume fewer targets to deal with so I've just had a much better experience with the actually software. Datadog's mobile app is notably better on iOS for me than it was on Android, for example.

I am glad that Google has consistently released a well priced quality phone though. the A-series is a real bang for your buck smartphone.

redcannon218

Serious question: does "AI" in a product description make you want to buy it more, or less?

bigstrat2003

Less. It means that at best there's stuff I'm going to have to waste time disabling, at worst the product will have that crap using resources all the time for no benefit.

herrherrmann

Makes me want to buy it less for sure, since the maker is clearly focusing on a feature (set) I don’t want to use or support. In the worst case, the AI stuff cannot be disabled and will annoy me on a daily basis.

jjice

I associate it with marketing and privacy invasion, in most cases.

I keep griping about this, but I hate that features that we used to just love that were a more traditional ML now have to have "AI" branding slapped over it. The image search on iOS where I can just search "beer" and find a glass of beer I had a month ago is absolutely incredible, but it was early enough to not get hit with the "AI" branding. If that feature, or any other ML features that all smartphones have today, came out now, it'd be labeled "AI". It's a broad term that has now been shoved into everything, even in places where it may technically apply, but feels over the top.

rchaud

Nobody asked Microsoft to put an unremovable Copilot button next to the cursor in every Office app. Shoving AI into everything has little to do with what customers want, and much to do with checking a box re: org strategy and investor PR.

StrLght

With Pixel it doesn't really matter to me. I'll install GrapheneOS the minute I get it out of the box.

As for other vendors -- definitely less. I just want a decent phone with good software and minimum bloatware. I see all these AI features as bloatware.

Tcepsa

Absolutely less. Like, "Will not purchase unless there is no alternative" less.

cfiggers

Mostly irrelevant to me. Maybe a tiny bit more *if* that means it comes with more RAM at the base price (as with "Copilot+ PC"s starting with a minimum of 16GB).

Moosdijk

Less.

If the AI features ran totally locally, it would be a different story but there’s no way I want features to be locked behind having coverage/a subscription etc.

jauntywundrkind

Throwing this one out there, since AI × phones is a topic here...

Really super glad that the latency has improved greatly on the AI assistant, fairly recently too. I've used voice to set timers while cooking for years, and I used to count seconds in my head while it processed.

I feel like general responsiveness has massively improved, down to two seconds. It also has considerably better visual feedback, which is much faster to assess than listening for its reply.

ckastner

Dimensions: 154,7 mm (height) × 73,3 mm (width) × 8,9 mm (depth) or: 6.1 in (height) x 2.9 in (width) x 0.4 in (depth)

Weight: 185,9 g or: 6.6 oz

A bit lighter than the previous versions, though I do miss the days where tha 4a was just around 145g or so.

jakub_g

Almost same weight as 8 and 8a - FWIW I have 8, and the size and weight are very comfy, as a previous 3a owner (I "downgraded" from Pixel 6 which was too big and too heavy to fit in one hand and in the pocket, though I actually gotten used to it at home as a "tablet"). Using Spigen Liquid Air case.

OriginalMrPink

Really considering switching from iPhone this year. Been using iPhones since 3G.

rtkwe

The AI integration doesn't add much to the assistant usefulness for me but I do like even the previous Google Assistant way more than I've ever found Siri useful. Apple has just been behind on the digital assistant game for years before the LLM integrations came along.

apples_oranges

Same. I can just launch the Gemini app, but maybe the integration saves a tap or two.

rtkwe

Not even that. The rare things I use an LLM for I'm not even doing on my phone so there's no use in the integration at all and IIRC you lose some functions the old GA could do that Gemini can't.

heroprotagonist

Eh maybe if you actually use it a lot. But if you don't then accidentally activating it gets annoying.

selykg

Been on an iPhone since the original and mostly until maybe the XS got a new model every other year, since the XS I've been on a 4-5 year cycle, with a 14 Pro to replace my XS.

I also have a Pixel 7 that I use primarily as a home phone stuck on a cheap very few minutes pre-paid plan. I've used it at home on wifi a number of times just to try it out. I think it's... fine? App quality is definitely a negative as I find as a Mac user that some of my favorite developers are better at making iOS apps, or their app is simply not available on Android at all and the alternatives are not nearly as good.

If not for that I probably wouldn't care from a usability perspective, but I still think Apple's focus on privacy and security tend to win out overall. That said, I now carry around a camera with me 90% of the time so I suspect I will be downgrading to a standard iPhone when I upgrade next if the camera carry continues. When I need super pocketable, I use a Ricoh GR, when I need small but great a Fujifilm X100VI, and when I want to go big I have a Sony a7cr full frame camera (still a small camera but FF lenses are much larger than APSC lenses)

gekoxyz

I tried carrying a camera around, but honestly I didn't even remember about it most of the time. Taking the photo with the phone was easier, and they already were synced with my digital photo library. I would really like to carry around a camera and switch to a flip phone... but it's not for me unfortunately.

gekoxyz

why are you considering the switch? just AI features or did Apple's monopoly break it for you?

OriginalMrPink

Apple feels stuck. Only incremental improvements, no real innovation, no risk... Also, some improvements turned out to be real bad.

exabrial

> With Google AI

This is not a selling point, FYI

rchaud

Take out the Google and it'd still be true. People need an AI phone like they need a "Smart TV".

exabrial

> With .* AI