Nickel superconductor works above -233°C threshold at normal pressure
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·March 9, 2025p1mrx
littlestymaar
Can you tell us more about why it is an interesting property?
hinkley
From the article:
> The -233°C threshold (40 K), often associated with the McMillan limit, marks a boundary beyond which conventional superconductivity theories become less predictive.
So it’s like finding a gas giant exoplanet that’s in the “wrong” place. We understand Jupiter and Saturn. We don’t understand a gas giant orbiting its star in ten days. Thats weird. And science can’t progress when there is nothing “weird”. It means all the data matches our models. It’s boring. It has nothing to teach.
A ten day orbit or a normal metal group superconductor are outside our comfort zone and may mean new physics.
p1mrx
If we're trying to understand how superconductors work, then it's useful to have more examples.
mort96
Yes that makes sense, but why is Nickel specifically interesting?
gsf_emergency_2
a recent work claims that in principle the upper bound to the critical temp of conventional sc at ambient p is ~100K, so this is a valid empirical step in that direction
https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.08129
The McMillan limit has been challenged before
light_hue_1
Nature has a much better news article than phys.org: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00450-3
We have two classes now, copper and iron based superconductors that work at room temperature above 40K or so. Below 40K, there are countless superconductors and the mechanism they use breaks down at around 40K. There's no reason to think that a material which is a superconductor below 40K will have some variant that is one above 40K.
Once we have evidence of superconductivity above 40K or so (at normal pressures) things change. Those materials follow different rules that we only partially understand. And there is reason to hope that variants exist which will be superconductors at even higher temperatures. There's no set barrier or upper limit once you cross the 40K threshold. One may exist, but we don't know it.
What happened with copper, and iron (to a much lesser extent), is that we marched up the curve and eventually made superconductors with many real-world. Once you reach 77K (-195C) we're in business. The hope is that maybe we can do the same with nickel. This has traditionally only really worked well with copper-based compounds.
Having a 3rd class of materials gives us a lot more options. And the more examples we have, the more likely we are to come up with some useful theory.
boothby
Hot* take: -233 is too cold for Celsius. I'm okay with folks reporting critical temperatures in C once they get near room temperature, but this is only 40K (which is blazingly hot in my world, but regardless).
But, it's cool to see the boundaries pushed on the McMillan limit, and that figure with a lazy Susan of sputtering targets looks fun.
* pun acknowledged
loufe
I'm curious by what measure you suggest it's "too cold". Kelvin is an offset celsuis, so it's not like we're talking about an innapropriate order (like 10 000 000 grams vs. 10 tonnes).
I would understand if it detracted from one's understanding, but I think this format is more accessible than assuming everyone knows what kelvin are, and it's explained in the first sentence. This is journalism, accessibility to science should be lauded while maintaining brevity for , IMO.
hexaga
Frame of reference. Kelvin immediately tells you the distance from absolute zero, which is at least somewhat relevant in this context. Celsius tells you the distance from liquid water which isn't very helpful in understanding the figure.
I think fewer people know the offset between K and C than the fact that 0K represents absolute zero.
jayyhu
For the layman, 0 degrees celsius is also a good proxy for the distance to "room temperature" superconductor.
rzzzt
-196℃ is another point of reference that might be familiar to people interested in, ehm, cold.
boothby
> I'm curious by what measure you suggest it's "too cold".
I'm accustomed to thinking about superconductors in an environment on the order of around ~0.01K. And, it's worth spending a little time understanding absolute temperature. Take, say, Zirconium -- its critical temperature is around 0.55K. This new material's Tc is around 40/.55 = 73 times hotter. This perspective is useful if you're thinking about how much work it'll be to get something down to a given temperature. So you've kinda hit my complaint on the head -- it's precisely because temperatures of that magnitude don't make sense to me. And I'd expect folks reading phys.org to be unsurprised by temperatures reported in K.
fooker
There’s another more fundamental reason to use Kelvin here, linearity.
100K is twice as hot as 50K, while the idea of twice as hot is meaningless in C or F.
ars
If you are wondering why this matters: It's not for a commercial product, it's to help understand why some materials superconduct.
Wikipedia shows 10 known superconductors at 40 K and ambient pressure. What's notable is that this is the first one to contain nickel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_superconductors -- sort by Tc (K)