Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams
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·March 6, 2025tpoacher
blitzar
This is beyond silly.
You could be using your phone to to find a hooker for tonight. A legit uses of technology. Normally they use their iPads for that though.
potato3732842
Even if they're not paying attention it's likely a "this issue is not a me issue, I'm gonna re-read my notes or the summary memo for the next me issue" situation.
People don't generally slack of when a legislative body has a hearing. That's basically their "game day".
nzach
I agree with you, but this doesn't mean this data is useless.
You could could count how many people are using their phones by speaker.
"When Alice speaks 18% of the members use their phones for more than 15 minutes, but when Bob speaks the rate is 27%." could be a proxy to understand how important the parliament thinks the subject/speaker is.
lolinder
This project doesn't seem to collect data, it posts the photo from the stream to social media and tags the politician. You might be able to derive the data you're talking about from the social media posts and timestamps, but that is obviously not the primary purpose.
ToucanLoucan
The notion that you must have your phone away and be giving all your attention to a speaker is so antiquated and worthless.
I have issues with auditory processing and attention. If you deliver information to me verbally in a format where I cannot rewind/playback, have no subtitles or text to consume alongside it, and demand my full attention, I will have objectively worse reception of whatever information you're communicating. The way neurotypicals demand adherence to these, to be blunt, ceremonies of conveyance is tiresome and interferes with the goals they espouse of communication.
In fact I would go so far as to say a lot of the time, the goal is not communication at all; it is a demonstration of one's power and authority over others. If your goal is actually communication, text is better in every way. Every reader can read at a speed of their choosing, re-read parts they missed, have a speech-to-text program read it to them if they like, stop in the middle and tend to something time sensitive, what have you. A live speech allows none of this.
So yes, I probably use my phone while you're talking. I probably have my AirPods in too, because the settings where they remove background noise and just give me the person speaking are phenomenally useful. I might even be watching or having my phone transcribe what you're saying, too. And if you're going to try and chastise me for it, fine, that's your prerogative, but then I'm probably starting a job search for a place that will appreciate my skills and not demean me for not being able to perform "good worker vibes" to your arbitrary standards.
baumschubser
Angela Merkel was known to text during parliamentary sessions, sometimes with multiple phones, with colleagues about the ongoing debate.
Other anecdota: Nowadays it is only part of Green Party folklore from the past, but to knit in political sessions was a common sight. What is not so silly but just stupid is conservative delegates watching football during a sex work debate (2018, https://twitter.com/BoehmeMarco/status/1012001444302598146). In German Bundestag, parliamentary rules forbid to photograph "personal documents" (including phones and tablets) in a way that the content is recognizable.
wwweston
> Angela Merkel was known to text during parliamentary sessions, sometimes with multiple phones, with colleagues about the ongoing debate.
Legislative / collective council discussion has probably always had some sort of quieter back channel discussion. The low tech solution might be a whispered conversation, or might be conducted via pages/runners when decorum puts moving around the room out of reach.
Mobile devices mean you can use technology instead of runners.
fwn
> This is beyond silly. You could be using your phone to [...]
I think you think the benefit of such a tool would be to shame politicians for something specific, whereas the real benefit of such a tool would be to make decision-makers aware that unchecked AI video scoring and facial recognition has implications far beyond the obviously controllable.
A nose picking score would be just as useful. But it would be more vulgar.
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float4
You call it silly because you could be doing useful stuff on your phone. I'd go one step further and say that even if you're slacking off that's not necessarily a bad thing. Everybody, including politicians, slacks off from time to time. Be it due to stress, awful sleep because the neighbor's dog barked all night, illness, or something else. It's just human and there's little wrong with it as long as you do your job well most of the time.
sureglymop
Also, it ignores that perhaps sometimes slacking off (or perhaps better "taking a break") may be a good thing.
LastTrain
A tool which simply invites superficial condemnation intending to anger and divide us even more than we already are. SO, congratulations on your negative contribution to society!
quuxplusone
"37% legislative efficiency? That's bad! Let me call my supervisor."
"Hey @JanJambon, what's going on, man? You're in red!"
"It's just been a rough day."
"Rough day? More like a rough month."
(the reference: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43180133 )
neilv
This seems to be an art installation, but I see no explanation of what it means. Is there subtext that's obvious to someone from Belgium (e.g., politicians on phones is a known hot issue)? Or is the viewer supposed to interpret?
BTW, if the main complaint that you have about your politicians is that they sometimes look at their phones while in meetings, you're doing really well, count your blessings.
bondarchuk
Obviously the subtext is that they are faffing off on their phones and not using their presence at a parliamentary meeting to represent the interests of their constituents in that meeting, which is what they were elected to do. Though from that perspective we should also focus some more on the empty seats, then.
amiga386
It's somewhat tricky to measure the effectiveness of your MP, because of course their work output is politics.
We have https://www.theyworkforyou.com/ in the UK, which is a fantastic site, listing everything your MP does in Parliament. But the truth is that most MPs always vote exactly how their party tells them, and rarely speak. The main chamber in Parliament is mostly national debate on how to run the country, and amendments and motions are put forward outwith that chamber, by teams of MPs communicating with the Speaker's office.
Most MPs in the Commons are just waiting their turn to speak, and they wrote their speech the day before. The rest only turn up at voting time, and vote how they were told to by their party, then leave again. They don't listen to speeches, it's not going to make them vote differently.
So perhaps we need all the MP's official emails and texts to truly scrutinize their activity. Their presence and focus in the chamber is of limited importance.
What's more useful, IMHO, are when MPs join the various Parliamentary committees and listen to witnesses, scrutinize legislation line-by-line, and such. Those are meetings where I'd like MPs to be fully focused.
rrr_oh_man
> presence at a parliamentary meeting (...) which is what they were elected to do
Parliamentarians from all around the world gasp in shock and revulsion
suddenclarity
> if the main complaint that you have about your politicians is that they sometimes look at their phones
It's just a cheap shot to rile up people that don't know better. Actively listening and arguing with opposition in the Parliament have very little to do with actual politics.
Swedish newspapers do a similar thing every year when they name and shame the politicians that submitted the fewest bills, making no mention of the fact that they are all useless and will be rejected in the current system. Somewhat related, The Social Democrats abuse the system and use AI to generate hundreds of questions each month that the government have to research and give written responses to. It's all a ton of pointless work that have negative impact on actually getting things done.
I'm confident most people can agree that Belgium have worse problems. Without knowing the details, I believe them going two years without a government had more impact than politicians using their phones while waiting for their time to speak or vote.
netsharc
He (oh he is you, OP) has got a lot of different projects, including one that was tracking people on EarthCam streams and trying to find their Instagram post (or the other way around):
https://driesdepoorter.be/thefollower/ , which went sort of viral: https://mashable.com/article/instagram-stalking-ai-facial-re...
I wonder why you self-promote and repost your "old" stuff though..
sergers
Yea kind of odd when the last post by which the submission about is from 2022 when it appears to be last active.
If there was some update, revelation, or even just being active.
I am seeing this person being referred as an "artist".
Thinking its a ploy for sales... they arent really selling anything i would consider valuable or sellable (eye of the beholder?).
itishappy
I suspect you may just not value artists or art.
Propelloni
> they arent really selling anything i would consider valuable or sellable (eye of the beholder?).
Which meshes well with art, so maybe the OP, in fact, is an artist.
nkmnz
"Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."
Cthulhu_
> I wonder why you self-promote and repost your "old" stuff though..
Personal branding / marketing? Pretty common on HN if you look out for it.
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kelseydh
Looks like the last tweet was from 2022? https://x.com/FlemishScroller
guy234
Whoever wrote this must really like taking pictures of electronics.
pjc50
Fun, but also kind of a dick move to apply bossware to more people; the phone is where the real politics happens.
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2
No, if anything, all that stuff regular people are subjected to, must be now be used against people in power just to let them feel the weight of reality they have created. It is not that dissimilar to how Musk flights were tracked by a bot on Twitter not that long ago.
Is it a dick move? Sure, but I am tired of there being two set of rules for those with power and those without it.
mathgeek
> Sure, but I am tired of there being two set of rules for those with power and those without it.
Can you elaborate on how this project is going to impact that? What change do you expect will come about from it?
bondarchuk
Can you elaborate on how this is not obvious to you? Sorry but this feels borderline concern-trollish.
geysersam
In what way has the Belgian parlament participated in bringing about the surveillance ad-industry or the american tech oligarchy?
If anything European politicians have struggled against the surveillance monopolies and enforced more online privacy protection than any other leaders on the planet. You can argue the effort hasn't been sufficiently successful and you're probably right about that.
1oooqooq
five eyes had buy in all around in EU.
European council still forces all government to buy exclusively from Microsoft despite a whole documentary and outcry about it. the IT mamager is now even further promoted.
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totetsu
Living in a country that doesn't speak my first language, I use the dictionary all the time during meetings and presentations. I hate it when people tell me that’s rude.. Okay I'll just sit here and not understand what was said to keep up appearances?
bondarchuk
Presumably that specific reason would not apply to high-level politicians in their own country, and if it did they would have a real-time translator.
Lanolderen
In other wording, if someone is speaking about a subject I'm not entirely familiar with, I'd likely be googling different details to get a more real picture than the one presented by the person proposing changes. Incentives and all that. An issue with political discourse in parliaments is that it's a meeting with a lot of important people so you can't really ask for clarifications again and again as you would in a 5 person meeting at work if you don't understand something you feel might be important. Partially because if everyone started asking for clarifications the topics won't get anywhere and partially because it's politics so you have to appear competent at all times.
rrr_oh_man
Don't let the special case invalidate a good heuristic.
mcculley
What I found more amusing when in meetings with government officials is their constant use of two phones, one officially issued and one personal. There is a lot more use of the personal phone in official meetings than there should be. They have been trained to do as little as possible on the phone more likely to be subject to a subpoena.
nickdothutton
If it is anything like the UK parliament, what goes on in the chamber is less important than the WhatsApp groups the UK Gov runs on.
This is beyond silly.
You could be using your phone to factcheck something that relates to the ongoing discussion. Or having a side-chat with another member, privately expressing/requesting an opinion to provide context. Or to take quick notes. Or, nowadays, you might even be using an AI to keep a running summary of what the speaker has been rambling about in the last 50 minutes, translated from 'buzzspeak' to 'humanspeak'. All legit uses of technology, which enhance the politician's attention rather than detract from it.
I'm not saying I'm having a hard time believing people 'could' be checking out 9gag instead during parliament, but unless you give me an AI that can detect people who are on their phone AND verified to be slagging off, then you're just bullying people for having phones and being able to use them.
Also, I like how laptops are somehow exempt from this bullying for some magical reason.