'Trump Gaza' AI video intended as political satire, says creator
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·March 6, 2025volleyball
Protostome
People (men, women and children) were exterminated in gas chambers in Auschweitz
Comparing this with the war in Gaza is ignorance or just manipulation. Gaza was (and actually, still is) a home to a murderous organization that terrorized not only Israelis, but also its own people for 20 years.
Gay men were thrown off the roofs to their deaths in Gaza shortly after Hamas took over violently, political opponents were brutally murdered.
Hell, whole families were burned on Oct 7th, to the chants of "Allah Akbar".
It blows my mind that people don't know that wars lead to casualties, even in the civilian side. I think that since it has been 2-3 generations without any serious conflict in the west, people are simply not familiar with the nature of war.
There's genocide, and there's war. Those are not the same.
regularjack
Yes, there is genocide and there is war, and most of the world knows which one is currently happening in Palestine.
Ozarkian
For those of us in the world who don't know, which one is it?
dragonwriter
Both: genocide often happens during war, and the one that has been carried out by Israel against the Palestinian population for most of the last 60 years certainly fits that model.
Protostome
Really? there was a poll or a vote I missed? There's one thing I'm sure I missed in this all narrative - evidence.
volleyball
What is happening in Gaza is a ethnic-cleansing and genocide. There is long chain of evidence from the words of of its highest-ranking civilian and military leaders all the way to mid-level commanders, rank-and-file and corroborated by evidence from the ground and ample video evidence and testimony. Trump literally called for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza before posting this video.
The point of my original admittedly flippant post was - If it is okay to satirize the tremendous tragedy currently ongoing in Gaza, is it not okay to make a similar satire about a tragedy that took place 80 years ago? How would the world react. How would hollywood react? How would Solo Avital react ? From a cursory look, It seems he has worked with a few prominent names like Sarah Silverman, Lewis Black in hollywood. Is he going to be black-balled, cancelled by Hollywood for mocking the suffering and planned ethnic-cleansing of 2 million palestinians.
morkalork
Took it down because they didn't want to take a side or be insensitive? Only shared it with friends and didn't think it would go further? The story reeks of CYA.
AstroJetson
Exactly, it scary to wake up and see your yard full of “Free Gaza” supporters while a team of executives from Kiewit Construction are knocking at your door.
JetSpiegel
Shared with his friend Mel Gibson. A Jewish guy.
doix
Really? I find it very believable, you make a high quality meme for your friend group. Someone decides to spread it further and now far-right people are taking it seriously when it's taking the piss out of the people involved.
Protostome
Turkey took millions of Syrian refugees, Germany in particular and a lot of european countries accepted many more from all over the middle east.
Food for thought why Egypt and Jordan refuse to ease the sufferring of Gazans by offering them temporary refugee statuses, until Hamas is eradicated and they could live in Gaza happily ever after.
koutetsu
Having talked to a few Palestinias that live outside of Palestine, I know that they all have temporary statuses in the neighoboring countries (for example, those in Lebanon) and that doesn't give them much rights and it has lasted for decades already. Forcing the remaining people in Gaza to leave "temporarily" is first of all ethnic cleansing (forced displacement) and second of all it will be anything but temporary.
The same for Syrians in Turkey, they don't have a proper refugee status and have instead a secondary status that gives them fewer rights.
Here's some food for thought from me as well: why does anything that goes in and out of Gaza go through israel? Why don't other countries recognize the state of Palestine? Wouldn't that be a good step towards a two-state solution? (Even though I don't believe that would work, at least not without justice for the Palestinians).
Protostome
Historically, Palestinians rejected all compromise attempts to end the conflict and get their state. that's the only reason why there's no palestinian country.
There's a great project led by a youtuber called Corey Gil-Shuster. This guy walks around the west bank and ask random people about the conflict. I think it sums up a lot of the public opinion in the palestinian territories about the conflict. Here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbPK7NnPRUk&ab_channel=Corey...
xg15
I can understand that historical position. If someone knocked on my door and told me "hey, I'm gonna take 2/3 of your house or all of it, what do you prefer?" I probably wouldn't inclined to answer either.
Of course none of the present-day Israelis are responsible for that. They are responsible for retreating into a sanitized, mythological narrative about the founding of their state, however.
> Historically, Palestinians rejected all compromise attempts to end the conflict and get their state. that's the only reason why there's no palestinian country.
Since then, Palestinians have already twice declared their acceptance of a two-state solution in the 1976 borders and declared a state in those borders. It does not explain why Israel and the US kept blocking a state even within those borders. (Meanwhile you can read in Likud's founding charter that the party always fundamentally rejected any kind of Palestinian state as their official policy - a policy that Israel now enacts increasingly openly)
koutetsu
They have the right to reject any unfair division of the land or agreement. Why would they be the only ones to compromise whereas Israel gets to keep almost all of the land.
What did Israel compromise on? They have settler colonies in the west bank, they control everything that goes in and out of Gaza, they built a wall around Gaza, etc.
It all starts from the initial division of the land that led to the creation of Israel. To me that division makes no sense because the area is not proportial to the population and because of the very nature of the split it created. Instead of offering Palestinians a contiguous division of land, it offered them two disconnected pieces of land with Israel right in the middle. That makes no sense.
As for your video, I don't know what you're trying to stay or do by sharing it. No matter whether you like Pelstinians or not, they have rights especially so under apartheid, settler colonialism and genocide.
Here's for you an example video showing israelis:
https://youtu.be/8RVoPZPKxLY?si=Z-T_iKehTsfJ7xMq
It doesn't look good.
bbqfog
Why would they "compromise" with the people who stole their land. Were the Jews meant to "compromise" with the Nazis?
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actionfromafar
Another big turning point was when Yitzhak Rabin was murdered. (By an israeli right-winger.)
History could have tipped entirely differently had Yitzhak lived.
beardyw
> Historically, Palestinians rejected all compromise attempts to end the conflict and get their state
.... back.
Rather a short reading of history.
mungoman2
Currently, 146 UN member states (75%) recognize the State of Palestine.
koutetsu
Yes, but most of them are from the global south. The USA, Canada, countries in western Europe (except for Spain and Irelandand those are the same countries always talking about a 2 state solution. That's very hypocritical.
nix-zarathustra
> Food for thought why Egypt and Jordan refuse to ease the sufferring of Gazans by offering them temporary refugee statuses, until Hamas is eradicated and they could live in Gaza happily ever after.
Historically, Palestinians have destablized those countries. Palestinians assassinated the King of Jordan[1] and a Prime Minister[2]. Not to mention the instability in Lebanon from Palestinian migrants [3]. Eventually Jordan had to expel the Palestinians from Jordan. [4]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_I_of_Jordan#Assassina...
[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Wasfi_Tal
bbqfog
Palestinians would be in Palestine if they weren't being ethnically cleansed by the Zionists. Any destabilization rests firmly at the feet of Zionism.
sickofparadox
Being displaced from your home country does not give you moral shielding for killing the leaders of another. In fact, I would argue that being displaced from your home means you owe a debt of gratitude to the countries that take you in, which makes bad behavior in them more often reprehensible.
jltsiren
Jordan has taken far more refugees relative to is size than Turkey and Germany. Its population of 11.5 million includes 1.4 million Syrian refugees, 300-400k Palestinian refugees still living in refugee camps (and at least 1.5 million who have gained citizenship), and 1+ million illegal immigrants. There were also ~1 million Iraqi refugees in the 2000s, but most of them eventually returned home. It's kind of surprising that the country is still mostly functional and stable, despite all this.
Egypt is kind of overpopulated. Most of the country is uninhabitable, and the Nile from Aswan to the Mediterranean is effectively a contiguous chain of settlements with a total of ~100 million people. The current administration also doesn't want to import Hamas, because they have enough trouble with the Muslim Brotherhood, which used to be the parent group of Hamas.
siltcakes
There would be no refugees if it wasn't for Zionism. Most of the world recognizes that Zionism is a crime against humanity and the generations that don't are rapidly aging.
bbqfog
They don't want to support Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Why doesn't Europe take all of the Zionists so we can return Palestine to the Palestinians?
wruza
It stems from that nice picture that politicians of the first world paint to their voters. Which is, there are countries, and they all live in friendship, and sometimes boo boo happens and good guys do good things and bad guys don’t do good things. This political infantilization goes all over the world.
I learn nothing about that region cause there’s no need to. Absolutely sure that Gaza conflict is not about historically bad neighborship, but about multiple large political forces funding armed groups to retain various destabilizing vectors. And both Jordan and Egypt and a bunch of other clans around have their hands elbow deep in this muppet show, while being partially sponsored by the same good guys who call for the resolve.
Also, even in a scenario where this happens, Hamas will feel betrayed and won’t just allow mass exodus for free. Meat shield is all it has.
pjc50
> about multiple large political forces funding armed groups to retain various destabilizing vectors
Especially Iran, but also Hamas can freely fundraise in several of the other gulf states.
Don't forget that there are internal anti-peace factions on the Israeli side too, such as those who assassinated Yitzhak Rabin and terminated the last working peace process.
Protostome
I agree. the good vs. bad guys narrative that dominates many western countries is toxic.
siltcakes
People should learn about Palestine because all you have to do is read about The Balfour Declaration and Nakba and it becomes crystal clear that the Zionists are "the bad guys", is there doubt about Nazis? It's the same situation.
volleyball
The majority of Gaza's residents are 'temporary' refugees from the Nakba[1] in 1948. Trump and Netanyahu have also cleared any lingering doubt in their mind about being able to come back if they ever leave. Trump literally said that they won't come back. And Israel and its allies are working hard to dismantle UNRWA which tracks the refugees status of 6 million displaced palestinians. All this is part of Israel's three-pronged strategy of ethnic-cleansing, genocide, and apartheid.
The leaders of Egypt, Jordan and people of Gaza know better than to fall for such an obvious ruse. Anyone arguing otherwise is clearly ignorant or speaking in bad faith.
Protostome
The refugee status of Gazan and other palestinian has been strategically kept this way for generations.
Many peoples have suffered wars throughout history, were displaced and relocated in other countries. Only the palestinians retain their refugee status even after living in surrounding arab countries like Lebanon, Syria for more than 3 generations.
There are more than 2 million arabs that remained in Israel and didn't flee during the 1948 wars, they are all full citizens now, in full contrast.
The only reason for keeping palestinians in a refugee status is to keep the conflict going until the eradication of the state of Israel.
UNRWA is a known cover for laundrying Hamas activities, there are many accounts of Hamas members firing and conducting military activities wearing UNRWA uniforms and traveling in UNRWA vehicles. That's why many countries stopped supporting them financially
alexisread
Most countries restarted funding when Israel did not produce any evidence of UNRWA malfeasance to back up their allegation.
The arabs within Israel do not have equal status to Israeli nationals, and less than any Jew who claims lineage but has no connection to Israel. Refugee status is also maintained by Israeli rulings about refugees from Palestine, in order to delegitimize right of return: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_citizenship_law https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/6/29/israeli-aparthe...
Furthermore, the UN have ruled that the right of return is valid, as opposed to the current nationality rules around Jewish heritage that make no sense - no other countries allow similar things: https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/09/1154496
Neighbouring countries accepting refugees could well be considered an endorsement of ethnic cleansing. TBH Gazans should not have to move, the current state of Gaza is entirely down to Israeli destruction which was completely unnecessary - hostage exchange could have happened at any time in the last 15 months, and Netenyahu has blocked that discourse 10+ times before, as it has not been in his interests to seek a resolution to the conflict (witness the complaints by the families of the Israeli hostages).
xg15
> Many peoples have suffered wars throughout history, were displaced and relocated in other countries.
This is Israel's weird hasbara logic of "19th century imperialist rules for us, 20 century postwar rules for everyone else". The prohibition of taking land by force is a central rule of the post-WWII world order, yet it seems to apply to all except Israel.
Also, large-scale waves of refugees are always a challenge for the host countries, and I don't know about any situation where the host country didn't want the refugees to go back eventually. (Not even speaking about the refugees themselves, who have to start a new life with basically nothing)
gedy
> Many peoples have suffered wars throughout history, were displaced and relocated in other countries.
Yes, at the same time in Europe, millions of people were kicked out of their homes because of redrawing borders and ethnic cleansing of many regions after WW2. Look up the history of Displaced Persons.
bbqfog
Israel gets handouts from many countries including the US and still talks about the holocaust, which pre-dates the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. It's quite hypocritical that WWII is "never again" but Nakba is "just get over it".
2Gkashmiri
uh.. why doesnt israel not do genocide for once?
xg15
I'd believe it.
At least I found it odd how many weird and straight-up unflattering scenes of Trump, Musk and Netanyahu were in the video, for what should ostensibly be a video to sell their idea. (Bearded belly-dancers? Trump and Netanyahu in skimpy swimsuits? Musk standing in a rainfall of dollar bills? What audience would see those as positive depictions?)
It seems like obvious satire (even though extremely tasteless), except for the fact that Trump posted it in all earnesty.
So I guess this says more about Trump than about the video creator...
vibrio
Agreed with your point. Satire relies on Truth for context. At the moment, both are critically wounded, if not dead.
prox
I honestly don’t know how we (as in all of us) gonna solve the information cycle pollution and have a news delivery platform that people on the left and on the right of things can agree on. That a satire video can be flipped and portrayed as an honest view held by the president (as he posted it) is telling.
chneu
Hank Green over on youtube did a fun look back at history and "disruptive" technologies. He likened today's social media to the invention of the printing press. It's a pretty fun video. He calls Martin Luther a troll, which is pretty good.
I think it's this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8PndpFPL8g
unglaublich
Humor based on absurdism doesn't work well if you always do absurd things.
exe34
one man's satire is another man's fervent belief. Poe's law.
Maybe the creator could make a similar satirical video set in Auschwitz. The place is kinda dreary and not life-affirming.
[1] - More about the creator - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solo_Avital