The Strategic Crypto Swindle
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·March 5, 2025Terr_
gs17
The Beanie Babies could at least be burned for fuel if we were really desperate and no one wanted to buy them (and the government didn't want to play Santa). Crypto is almost the opposite, we burn fuel to get it and if no one wants to buy it, you couldn't even use it to make children happy.
adeptusluminati
..."and if no one wants to buy it"
It's a 3 TRILLION dollar market...so far! Looks to me like people want to buy it.
For context, the Beanie Baby craze in the 90's at peak, was $2.6 Billion dollars adjusted for inflation today. Crypto is world wide phenomena, and so far, is 1000x larger. It also has utility for those that don't like bank lineups and banker's hours.
PS. FYI The Atlantic has become an extreme left leaning digital publication (source: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/atlantic). It stopped writing balanced articles years ago. Too bad, because it used to be great.
strgrd
Market cap does not equal value... Market cap does not equal value... Market cap does not equal value...
JKCalhoun
(Was thinking we need an Herbalife Reserve.)
BuyMyBitcoins
>Strategic Russian Ruble Reserve
Pardon my ignorance here, but don’t the central banks of most nations hold foreign currencies in a strategic reserve? I feel like we probably already have Ruble reserve.
Terr_
Some quick searching suggests the US government has some Japanese Yen and Euros, and if other stuff exists it's much more indirect via the IMF etc.
https://home.treasury.gov/data/us-international-reserve-posi...
desumeku
Strange, because a lot of the rhetoric I see online lately amounts to local propaganda saying "Russia might need to be nuked".
Terr_
Are you aware of the absurdity of your reply?
On one hand, multiple years of Russian government-controlled television running professional segments, depicting potential targets, stock footage of missiles flying and exploding, with supporting quotes and appearances from Russian government figures.
On the other hand, you recently saw *checks notes* internet randos venting, displeased how a portion of their government bends over backwards to appease Russia for no legitimate reason.
You want us to believe those are even remotely comparable? Weak.
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dudefeliciano
Don’t forget about the inert hypersonic missile that hit Ukraine a while back, that was purely a show of force
kjksf
If you don't believe that long-term Bitcoin is going 10x - 100x and becomes, at the very least, a planetary store of value, then of course Strategic Bitcoin Reserve doesn't make any sense.
If you do believe that then you understand why any person, company or country will benefit financially by stocking up on Bitcoin today.
If you believe that Beanie babies or russian ruble will 10x - 100x then you would believe that any person, company or country will benefit financially by stocking on beanie babies today.
wmf
That wouldn't be a strategic reserve, just a speculative investment. You might ask why the US doesn't also invest in AAPL and NVDA. You might also consider the "soft power" effects of the US using the global middle class as exit liquidity.
kjksf
Ignoring arguments on semantics (the meaning of "strategic"), here's the difference between AAPL or NVDA and Bitcoin.
In the long term AAPL and NVDA market cap / stock price will converge to their future financial performance and historically speaking it's guaranteed that those companies will decline. So if you're looking for a really long term investment, it's not a good one.
This is different than U.S. buying Alaska from Russia. There's only one Alaska, if U.S. has it then no-one else has it.
Bitcoin was designed to have the same scarcity as land. There's only 21 million bitcoins and if you buy 5 of them today, no one else will own those 5 until you sell them.
If you believe that Bitcoin will become the largest "store of value" asset class that any person, company or country buying Bitcoin today will benefit compared to people / companies / countries that do no buy Bitcoin today.
Is such belief speculative? Of course it is. Buying Alaska from Russia was also speculative purchases. Not everyone thought it was a good deal and no-one knew it has gold and oil.
Is there strategic benefit to U.S. to owning scarce financial asset?
Well, U.S. does benefits from dollar's status as world's reserve currency. If Bitcoin does become planetary store of value and planetary currency, it's better for U.S. to own larger part of it than China or Russia or Iran.
senordevnyc
We have a gold reserve...
pants2
Though much of the controversy is around the inclusion of ripple, solana, and cardano. There's no reason to have these in the reserve. Might as well hold GME in there too.
krustyburger
I love it when my government apes into things.
desumeku
You can't have stablecoins, smart contracts, and an entire crypto economy on Bitcoin alone. Trump said crypto capital. I'm personally expecting grocery stores to start showing you a QR code for stablecoin payment over your preferred chain next year.
Terr_
Even if everything is as rosy is all that, there's another big problem:
Why would you want men with guns taking away your money (and mine) to buy crypto for their own uncontrolled slush-fund purposes, instead of letting you invest it yourself??
And no, don't even get me started on how Social Security is different, because insurance plans are not the same as the somebody else's investment account.
yks
Pro-reserve argument such as it is, is that the day will come when the trading partners of the US government won't accept dollars BUT accept bitcoins/cardano/solana/whatever? The former is definitely coming on accelerated schedule, but why would the latter ever come? The new industrial and trading hegemon (aka China) would demand trading in the currency under its sole control, and by proxy, that's what everyone will end up trading in.
chairmansteve
They would borrow dollars to buy crypto, thus increasing government debt.
kjksf
Buying Bitcoin is neutral to spend (or "debt" in your framing).
If you "borrow" $100 and "buy" $100 with it, nothing has changed. You didn't spend anything hence you didn't incur any additional debt.
If you buy $100 equivalent of Bitcoin then nothing changes either.
Only future changes in Bitcoin price relative to dollar are changing your "debt".
If price of Bitcoin goes down, you have a paper loss.
If price of Bitcoin goes up, you have a paper gain.
When you convert Bitcoin back to dollars, that paper gain or loss converts to a smaller or bigger debt.
Strategic Bitcoin Reserve is motivated by the belief that the price of Bitcoin will go up drastically in which case the more Bitcoin U.S. buys today, the more debt it'll be able to reduce in the future.
Aurornis
> If you "borrow" $100 and "buy" $100 with it, nothing has changed. You didn't spend anything hence you didn't incur any additional debt
This is incorrect. You’re confusing a neutral net worth with a lack of debt. They’re not equivalent.
If you borrow $100 then you have incurred $100 of debt. It doesn’t matter if you still have $100 in your hand, you still have $100 of debt to service.
That last part is important: The government would have to service the interest on the money they borrowed. As time went on, the effective size of the debt will grow.
spankalee
All it does it turn the government into a hedge fund making bets, while paying off crypto holders with taxpayer money along the way.
kjksf
The same argument applies to gold i.e. governments and central banks buying gold is just like a hedge fund making bets while paying off gold retail holders with taxpayer money.
This is Status Quo Bias.
If you accept that Bitcoin, like gold, is a hedge against devaluing currency, then it makes sense for China or US to stock up on Bitcoin just like they stock up on gold.
Unlike gold, Bitcoin has a non-zero chance to supplant (or at least become a viable alternative to) US dollar as a global currency. In which case it's strategic for a country to own as much of such asset as possible.
chairmansteve
You are talking nonsense. If you borrow $100 to buy bitcoin, you owe the $100 + interest to service the debt. The govt is planning to hold the BTC forever, interest is 4% a year, currently. That debt will be paid either by your taxes, or by money printing, leading to inflation. Sure, maybe btc will go up. Or maybe it won't.
Is it the government's job to speculate on crypto. If you think it is, why only crypto? Why not shares? Why not property?
kjksf
If government spends $100, did that $100 came from taxes or from selling bonds (which you call "debt").
I object to calling it "debt" because you can't tell. And my greater point was that buying a liquid asset is neutral to, let's call it, "net worth" of country.
The government does "speculate" on gold. That is the closest equivalent. Gold is a hedge against declining value of a dollar, just as Bitcoin would be.
rtkwe
Could they take any currently seized bitcoins and just shuffle that sideways into a reserve?
It'd break the main point of this though which imo is to boost the price of various crypto assets they're probably flush in since the Trump family personally just did two back to back memecoin rug pulls.
nickthegreek
I believe that would be considered a stockpile. A reserve would mean new purchases.
https://www.npr.org/2025/03/04/g-s1-51748/trump-crypto-reser...
rtkwe
In that vein the actual order never uses the phrase 'reserve' only stockpile. I'm not sure it would rule it out though you could start it with the existing assets and then actively manage it like a reserve.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/stre...
rtkwe
Another possible goal is to try to hamper any regulatory or legislative threats to crypto since it would affect a 'strategic resource'.
dinkblam
would make more sense to call it the Anti-strategic reserve
Terr_
Another place where the typical prefix seems to be insufficient lately: Un-constitutional versus Anti-constitutional.
boramalper
> On 3 January 2009, the bitcoin network was created when Nakamoto mined the starting block of the chain, known as the genesis block. Embedded in this block was the text "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks", which is the date and headline of an issue of The Times newspaper.
We’ve now come a full circle where the US government is bailing out crypto bros.
kjksf
There are estimated 420 million owners of Bitcoin. The "crypto bros".
We don't need governments to "bail us out".
The value of Bitcoin rose from $0 to $2 trillion without ownership of large governments (small governments, like El Salvador, did benefit from that rise).
It'll rise to $20 trillion without U.S. government buying it because we're still in very early days of Bitcoin adoption.
People, companies, countries need Bitcoin much more than Bitcoin needs them.
boramalper
I believe people would (and already do) greatly benefit from cryptocurrencies but
a) Why would a government/state want to back a currency that it cannot control by definition? Especially if they own the world’s reserve currency. What’s the upside for them?
b) I doubt that Bitcoin is the answer with its slow transaction times, low throughput, high fees, abysmal privacy and non-fungibility. It enjoys the network effects and undoubtedly that’s the most important thing in a currency so there’s that.
SketchySeaBeast
Who NEEDS Bitcoin? Sure, lots of people have got in on the speculation, which is really an argument against using it as a currency (can you imagine using a deflationary asset as a countries coin?), but why is there a need? What common use case does Bitcoin make better for the everyday person?
desumeku
It's like money, but better, and it can't have its value destroyed by the government through the insidious process of inflation.
kjksf
Today the most common use is is as a store of value.
If you have excess cash, be it $100 or $1 million and keep it in dollars, you'll loose ~8% a year, which is the historical yearly rate of US money printing which is the real inflation (not the fake 2%; check the inflation of health care plans, college education or housing).
To preserve that value you can do simple / safe (bank savings account rate, bonds, S&P 500 etc.) and underperform that 8%.
If you want to match / outperform that 8% (i.e. not loose money over time) you have to become a successful (better than average) stock investor or invest in real estate with all the hassles it involves (like managing tenants).
Or you can invest in Bitcoin, which, historically, over 4 years, outperforms dollars, gold, us stocks.
Bitcoin outperforms dollars because US can (and does) print as many dollars as it wants, whenever it wants. Bitcoin has a fixed limit of 21 million bitcoins. You can't print more bitcoin than that therefore you can't devalue bitcoin.
It's even worse in countries like Niger or Argentina because they print even more money than US, causing even greater inflation, making it ever more important to park assets in non-inflationary asset.
If you self custody bitcoin, you remove the risk your money will get confiscated by the government or bank.
In some countries you can already pay directly in Bitcoin.
In US you can use Strike to basically store you net worth in Bitcoin and convert to cash (dollars) to pay for stuff.
dboreham
Science experiment to test the hypothesis: there is no limit to corruption in the USA.
pants2
If we have Fort Knox we might as well hold Bitcoin too. Whether or not it's Digital Gold is up for debate, but it's a self-fulfilling prophecy; the more countries that hold Bitcoin in reserve the more it becomes Digital Gold.
That said, let's limit it to BTC. ETH at least isn't so insider-owned. The inclusion of ripple, solana, and especially cardano though is especially stupid. Those are majority owned by the "foundations" and a pump in price enriches a select few.
blandcoffee
I think perhaps you may have misread the article.
Here are some items that stuck out to me:
> As for American gold holdings, they’re essentially pointless: Fort Knox is a legacy of the days when the U.S. promised to exchange gold for dollars on demand.
> More to the point, bitcoin was created to be an alternative to the dollar, not a support for it. Far from strengthening the dollar, having the U.S. purchase billions of dollars of assets that were created to be alternatives to the dollar would at best be economically pointless and at worst would actually weaken confidence in the dollar.
so why other than fort knox, are you advocating for this position?
kjksf
Gold is not just legacy.
Countries and banks (including central banks) are still buying gold as a hedge against dollar and other currencies.
For example, "from November 2022 to April 2024, China reported adding about 314 tons to its reserves, bringing the official total to 2,264 tons by mid-2024".
The logic for holding Bitcoin is the same as the logic for holding gold: a hedge against dollar and other currencies.
blandcoffee
You may be right, but I think China specifically has learned something from Russia.
Before invading Ukraine, Russia held assets across the world and they were frozen (some of it USD).
Now imagine you are a large holder of US treasuries, would you take some off the table and purchase this other asset (gold) that can ensure you're less susceptible to your enemies sanctions?
desumeku
Additionally, the proposed currency for BRICS is going to be partially backed by gold, assuming they still go ahead with it even with the threat of Trump's tarriffs.
wmf
Fort Knox is also pointless.
brokencode
At least gold has real world uses, such as in electronics and spacecraft. Keeping large quantities of it safe for the future seems prudent, even outside its use as a value store.
adeptusluminati
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la_fayette
I'm not an expert on the economics, but as of now, Bitcoin hasn't been hacked, which suggests it lives up to its promises. Personally, I find it incredibly useful to be able to carry my wealth anywhere on Earth, just by remembering a few words.
paulgb
> as of now, Bitcoin hasn't been hacked
We should be cautious about whether past precedent applies to future bitcoin, because the bitcoin halving mechanism ensures that bitcoin enters uncharted territory (with regards to the incentives at play) every four years for the next ~100.
Satoshi's design was that bitcoin would be used as cash and transaction volume would provide the funds to secure the network. That largely hasn't happened (it's a "store of value" now, lightning exists, etc.), so mining incentives are still ~95-98% funded from the exponentially diminishing supply of new coins.
Short of some institution stepping in to secure the bitcoin network by mining at a loss, it's hard not to imagine a 51% attack being relatively cheap on the time scale of decades.
desumeku
One word: fees.
paulgb
Transaction fees currently make up a tiny sliver of the mining rewards, and this seems likely to be even more the case the more ways there are to exchange it off chain (like trading ETFs). https://mempool.space/graphs/mining/block-fees-subsidy
BSOhealth
Has the dollar been hacked?
Currency is not a “thing”—it is a promise. We invest in promises, whether currency, stock, etc.
miramba
My credit card does that too, and I can buy things with it almost anywhere. There is also a system in place to restore access in case I forget the magic words.
kjksf
Up to a (meager) daily / monthly limit.
Unless you're Canadian protester and the government freezes your bank account.
Unless you're American, like Melania Trump, and the bank decides to kick you out and take away your credit card because the politician sent them a letter threatening "oversight" if they don't kick out "risky" clients.
Unless you trip bank's fraud metrics and they freeze your account for months, refuse to say why, ignore your attempts to contact them and fix it.
Unless you're Russian and U.S. bans you from using international banking system.
Other that that, there's no difference.
desumeku
They'll just say that these are all good things because they're political enemies who should be targeted anyway. I mean, Melania Trump? Russia? Obviously we should weaponize the financial system to target people that we don't like, and vehemently oppose any system that might threaten our ability to do that.
readthenotes1
The good thing is that when someone drains the strategic crypto reserve for tactical advantage (digging for coins in the couch, so to speak), the USA will won't be hurt
blitzar
Strategic reserves are marked at cost. (e.g. Gold is on the US balance sheet at $35 an ounce).
Selling the crypto reserve will hurt the country if there is a loss.
ChrisArchitect
Related:
Trump's 'Crypto Reserve' Is Such Brazen Corruption
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43261899
The “strategic reserve” exposes crypto as the scam it always was
jgalt212
> What they hope for, in other words, is a handout for crypto holders—or, from the point of view of non-crypto-holding Americans, a misbegotten government backstop for purely speculative assets.
Replace this with those who borrowed money for expensive degrees of specious value and the bondholders who will be repaid at par.
History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.
RealityVoid
This take horrifies me. Furthering personal knowledge is not even in the same class as driving money on machines calculating random hashes for the sole purpose of proving they are calculating random hashes.
I believe strongly in the power of education, an educated populace that is able to deeply hone it's craft and practice it's interest is the path to prosperity.
I recoil at the kind of outlook you need to have to believe what this post seems to believe.
Compare: The Strategic Beanie-Baby Reserve. What does it accomplish? Betraying American taxpayers in order to enrich the manufacturer and collectors.
P.S.: For that matter, why not the Strategic Russian Ruble Reserve?
Sure, it means asking US taxpayers to suffer in order to prop up a warmongering dictator whose local propaganda is that America might need to be nuked, but modern Republicans think it'd be awesome 'cuz reasons.