Tether and Circle are battling to win the US stablecoin market
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·March 4, 2025kinakomochidayo
I hope Circle wins out in the end. Tether is super sketch. The fact that they they’ve only done attestations but haven’t done a full audit says everything.
numba888
I hope they both die slow painful death. As they are looking now for the last fool who will pay for everything. Musk is not doubt involved. Hope Trump is smarter than that and will not funnel taxpayers money (my money!!) into crooks pockets.
masklinn
> Hope Trump is smarter than that and will not funnel taxpayers money (my money!!) into crooks pockets.
How many bad news are you ready to hear?
hackernudes
Quick summary: Tether (USDT) and Circle (USDC) are battling to win the US dollar stablecoin market.
dang
I've put that in the title above, as it seems less baity and more neutral. Thanks!
(This is in keeping with the site guidelines - "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait" -https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html)
Scoundreller
And:
> In Devasini’s eyes, tether was meant to subvert traditional finance. His wife, an artist, exhibited paintings of dollar bills with the image of George Washington screaming because, she said, they had “no more value.”
uhhhhh
d--b
At what point would it be profitable to run a 51% attack on any of the big chains?
dang
[stub for offtopicness]
H8crilA
So can I finally use crypto to buy things I would want? Or is it still just an elaborate mechanism for separating idiots from their money? I ask myself these questions every 5 years or so.
deeviant
The later.
bix6
Crypto seems to have been taken over by the very people it sought to undermine. How many of the top crypto projects are now VC backed?
onlybadgers
I’m sure most of the proponents of the original idea of a Bitcoin reserve (for its properties, no printing, no VCs etc) don’t love the new form.
Such a surprise that David Sacks is the crypto czar and now the “reserve” has been expanded to include SOL also
fergie
How can a crypto coin even be "VC-backed"? What is the point of crypto coins if they are controlled by nation states?
Genuine questions- I don't really understand
bergen
From a "neutral" perspective it gives them legitimacy From a "maximalist" perspective it gives you access to government From a "scammer" perspective it gets you tax dollars and average Joes
yieldcrv
The best way to follow crypto is to use it and ignore the sales pitches of ideologues
You can completely ignore the “merchant adoption” “mainstream adoption” “lets pretend the man cant figure out how to use this” pitches
There is LOTS of value to extract for yourself in a 24/7 borderless global economy with no transaction size limits and already exists
OccamsMirror
Venture capitalists favor crypto projects because they enable significantly faster risk offloading compared to traditional investments, where 7-10 year holding periods are standard.
With crypto, the VCs can sell the majority of their tokens after brief lockup period, capitalizing on purely narrative-driven speculative valuations that almost always disconnect from the actual reality, let alone fundamentals.
Crypto VC perfectly embodies the Greater Fool Theory. The VCs profit by selling to later buyers motivated more by speculative momentum than intrinsic value. The joke being that VC involvement in a project is often the only thing even driving that momentum.
This combination of compressed liquidity timelines, minimal regulatory oversight, and a glut of retail investors who have FOMO from seeing their friends 100x or even 1000x, creates an ideal environment for VCs to systematically transfer risk to less sophisticated market participants at often insane valuations.
frozenport
lol these guys aren’t vcs
Term sheets from vcs increasingly include a “don’t do an ico”
JumpCrisscross
> How many of the top crypto projects are now VC backed?
Deflationary, unregulated currency embraced by plutocrats and finance at the expense of the 99%; news at 11.
Idk if there is a social term for the conservation of rug-pulling across a society across time. But it’s almost like we need to get screwed over every generation or so to remember how power and economies work.
gunian
why everything gotta be so dramatic and kill or be killed other forms of existence are possible just saying
dang
I agree - more at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43251574
w-ll
OT: what is the art style of those header/hero portrait?
sushid
Art deco/"airbrush style"?
https://www.itsnicethat.com/articles/richard-a-chance-illust...
guestbest
It seems very much it came from an AI prompt. Funny, people will still read the article thinking that was entirely written by a person.
ryanwhitney
The artist’s name (Richard Chance) is right under it.
sushid
It's not. And an article doesn't have to come entirely from a person to be considered worth reading.
chistev
I'm riding the XRP train until the end.
throwaway657656
Of all the coins why choose the one that is not regulated in anyway. At least the others like BTC, ETH, SOL are regulated by the unaffiliated miners and stakeholders.
What prevents the XRP team from introducing any arbitrary fork such as a dilutions that are then forced on their nodes ?
Trustlessness is a core feature of a cryptocurrency and XRP seems to require a whole lot of trust/faith. But I guess faith is what makes it perfect for its cult like following.
Serious question, are you also deeply religious ?
kmeisthax
What prevents miners from refusing to process certain transactions they don't like? Or the developers from pushing through a softfork that considers those transactions invalid? Dilution isn't the only threat a monetary system can face.
It is, however, the one failure mode of commerce the extremely rich actually need to worry about. Bitcoin isn't any less cult-like than XRP, they both are downstream of the whole "sound money" nonsense which exists to sell the regular folk on insulating the rich against this one particular threat.
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proxynoproxy
No!! XRP is ultimately worthless and printed out of nothing. They gave it away in the early days. (Vs mined with real resources in PoW).
Convert it into hard Bitcoin and never worry about it again.
See ya in 10y!
Always42
This could be series or sarcasm
jandrewrogers
An orthogonal question I’ve always had is what happens if SHA-256 is broken?
hannob
I couldn't care less about Bitcoin's use of SHA-256, but based on experience:
First of all, it's quite unlikely that this is going to happen at all. There are no signs of significant weaknesses in SHA-256.
But if it's going to happen, in all likelyhood, you'll get preliminary results long before any actual breakage. (For both MD5 and SHA1, you had around a decade of warnings between "this looks insecure / broken in theory" and "we now have an actual collission".) Anyone paying attention and moving away from algorithms already known to be broken was unaffected by the MD5/SHA1 weaknesses.
Of course, there will be those who will wait until an actual breakage, and a few years more, before they act. (As we've seen particularly with MD5.)
jl6
We may never find out. The financial incentive to keep it secret is too great.
If someone broke SHA-256, they could generate blocks directing all coins to their own address and thus destroy the entire system. However, in that scenario it is likely that everybody else would roll the chain back to before the break and restart it with a different algorithm (likely SHA-3).
In summary, an obvious compromise would get caught and neutralized.
So a wily possessor of an SHA-256 break would use it subtly. Most likely they would target “lost” coins that haven’t moved in decades that nobody will notice are missing. Not Satoshi’s though. Too much heat.
t_mann
The article is about stablecoins, which mainly live on smart-contract-enabled blockchains (ie, not Bitcoin). I don't think there are many (if any) major smart contract chains out there still using PoW, which I assume your concern is about. Solana's PoH also uses hashes, but I'm not sure what kind of threat that would be (would probably depend on the exact nature of the 'breaking'). Most other major chains such as Ethereum use PoS. The bigger concern would be breaking the asymmetric cryptography those chains use. That would absolutely kill the protocols in their current form (but could probably be fixed by switching to a different crypto standard).
asmor
With the current compute density of Bitcoin (which now runs mostly on purpose-built hardware) it'd still take longer than the universe has existed to find even one collision and the actual process of computing SHA256 is simple enough that we're not likely to find a shortcut.
jandrewrogers
I think you missed the “broken” part. A lot of simple cryptographic hash functions have been broken. There is a community of people with some semblance of credibility that believe it is just a matter of time for SHA-256. The creation of SHA-3 wasn’t entirely for no reason.
I’m not saying it will happen but it is plausible. The question is what is the effect of that happening to bitcoin.
adastra22
Who? I don’t know any cryptographers that think this anymore.
salynchnew
Fundamentally, just one update to the protocol (becuase code kind of is actually law, insofar that code is overseen by a group of humans capable of collective action and coordination around documentation and if-then statements) will circumvent any concerns about that particular bugaboo.
grapesodaaaaa
Much worse things than fraudulent cryptocurrency transactions.
https://archive.ph/rV2tK