Cross Views
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·February 26, 2025thih9
blululu
Was going to say the same thing. Presenting stereo pairs has a lot of layout and resolution issues to say nothing of the fact that some people have stereo blindness to varying degrees (lazy eye is an extreme case). The author is correct that stereo depth can greatly enhance an image, but a wigglegram does this at full resolution with no visual puzzle solving.
ilyagr
Thank you! I have not, to this day, have been able to see any Magic Eye/Cross Eyed or similar images. A wigglegram is immediately trivial.
I'd probably most appreciate a layout with one frame on the left, the wigglegram in the middle, and the other frame on the right, so that I can get a sense of both the distances and the detail.
dagss
WHAT... this is the first time in my life I have been able to see 3D with one eye!
Closing one eye and I still see the depth effect.
Main brain works very differently than I assumed...
With this effect I guess one could make even people who are blind on one eye see in 3D
James_K
I'm slightly suspicious that this comment was written by a bird.
colingauvin
This is very common in structural biology papers, where you need to make figure of complex 3D arrangements of atoms, but the figures must be printed in 2D. Typically using molecular modeling software, you find your view of choice. Then you rotate +- 0.5° and render two images, and put those side by side as a stereo pair figure.
It takes quite a bit of practice to see them well:
https://spdbv.unil.ch/TheMolecularLevel/0Help/StereoView.htm...
BrandoElFollito
Thanks for that! It is quite impressive and I learned to see the 3D molecule on first try.
I remember seeing something similar, but made of an array of dots (you did not know what was behind the doors until you see it by crossing your eyes)
regularfry
I did this on a school project back in the 90's, with a structure of quinol clathrate that was completely wrong but very pretty. I was very into povray at the time. My chemistry teacher didn't quite know what to make of it...
groggo
technically rotation is going to end up giving a slightly different result than lateral displacement, right? but it's very similar for small distances.
CGamesPlay
Since the advent of models like Depth Anything, you can now convert 2D images into this effect using them plus a bit of creative processing. Here's a non-technical overview that plugs some software and talks about the underlying models: https://www.owl3d.com/blog/2d-to-stereoscopic-3d-with-ai-dep...
Bonus, I also found this real-time 3D-ifier for your screen: https://github.com/zjkhurry/stereopsis-anything
jasonjmcghee
I had to, hopefully you don't mind moultano!
Same content, but all lined up and rendered the whole article in cross-view.
You can now read the article and see the pictures while in cross-view.
https://jasonjmcghee.github.io/you-should-make-cross-views-3...
tenkabuto
This is great! I can only imagine how strange it would look to observe someone reading an article this way, but it's a great idea!
Cogito
Now just need to duplicate the mouse cursor to be in 3D too!
I also had to shrink the window as I couldn't manage the cross view on a widescreen :)
jasonjmcghee
Yeah I didn't know how big to make the text so I figured people could just zoom out as needed lol
moultano
Clever!
ziofill
If you are able to cross two images for the 3D effect you can also do it to spot differences like a savant in “spot the differences” games. Give it a try: https://spotthedifference.games/
You’re welcome.
__rito__
Very relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42655870
jy14898
It's interesting how the difference appears, a strange artifact. Very fun to feel like a pro clicking through the differences quickly
keyle
My mind is blown right now. This is so cool.
Karawebnetwork
When they wrote "your screen can display 3D photos", I thought it would be a hardware hack and not something that depends on a human physiology hack.
Something like stereoscopic GIFs come to mind, e.g. https://tenor.com/fr-CA/view/dain-stereoscopic-daingifs-3d-m...
In other words, taking the two images and swapping them quickly creates the illusion of depth.
Edit:
Looking into it, there's a word for it. Wiggle stereoscopy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiggle_stereoscopy
zro
There's a whole bunch of these over at https://old.reddit.com/r/wigglegrams/ if you want more
fritzo
A great source for stereo pairs is NOAA's aerial imagery data, consisting of various snapshots along an airplane's trajectory. For example here is a stereo pair of Desecheo Island:
https://cdn.coastalscience.noaa.gov/datasets/aerialphotodb/u...
https://cdn.coastalscience.noaa.gov/datasets/aerialphotodb/u...
EDIT it can be tedious to discover such pairs. If only there were a tool...
ben7799
I can generally see the Magic Eye pictures very well.. these are way harder.
The tiny thumbnails at the bottom of the page work, but the larger images I can't cross my eyes enough.
I think it depends greatly on getting the screen/image size just the right size and also getting the viewing distance right. On large monitors it seems harder to see.
Agree2468
> You can do this by holding your finger substantially in front of the image, and focusing solely on the finger with your eyes, while turning your mind’s attention to the image behind it while keeping your eyes still.
This tip in the article helped me a lot, it's much easier to cross your eyes further with something to actually focus on
ortusdux
It's helpful if you can smoothly zoom in on the images. Start zoomed out far enough that you can easily see the effect, and then slowly enlarge the images. Your brain will work to keep them in focus.
on_the_train
I believe the author switched left and right. Because the inverse ones at the bottom work fine
moultano
Magic eye pictures are viewed by diverging your eyes, so the "parallel view" versions at the bottom work correctly with that method.
"Cross view" pictures require converging your eyes, so the images have to be in the opposite position from what your eye would see.
ben7799
You're right.. guess I always thought Magic Eye was converged.
Once I look at the ones at the bottom and just zoom in/out in the browser I can see them perfectly.
I have a 33" monitor and seeing them means sitting much closer than normal and then zooming out in the browser.
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on_the_train
Nah, magic eye is crossing, at least the ones I know. And I can only do crossing
spookie
The best way I came across doing this is to try and do a "thousand yard stare" while looking at the image. It's super reliable.
jasonjmcghee
Zoom out on the page a few times. Try 50%
moultano
Yes, making them smaller certainly helps.
tombert
I love this effect. I had a book of Magic Eye pictures as a kid, which was a similar effect.
I'm not sure how practical the "crossing your eyes to get 3D" thing actually is, it makes my eyes water after a minute or so, but it's still sort of cool to see my cheapy monitor doing 3D without any special glasses.
tomw1808
I had the same book - the one with the black border? :) There was a dolphin or something, right? So long ago, can barely remember...
The water eye thing only happens to me if I cross my eyes and focus before the picture and not behind the picture. The latter takes some time to let the eyes relax, but its much more natural.
RIMR
If you stitch the photos together seamlessly, you can display them on a VR headset in a really natural way. I take stereo images in landscape mode, stitch them together top/bottom, and then enjoy them on my Quest 2 using the Pigasus media player.
If you use a 180° fisheye lens, you can immerse yourself in the scene. just make sure to keep the camera perfectly level, or you'll end up making yourself sick if you try to view the images unadjusted.
alnwlsn
I only learned somewhat recently that a lot of (or all?) Magic Eyes are meant to be parallel viewed instead of cross eyed. The difference was pretty impressive the first time I saw one correctly.
regularfry
I seem to recall that Magic Eye pictures had you decross your eyes, so you were looking past the page. It was a bit harder to do.
voytec
"Wow, a sailboat!"
vrighter
eh, you get used to it. I've watched whole movies like this
EvanAnderson
I've done this with my SLR. Moving the camera different amounts can give a more pronounced effect, however it can be more difficult to get the image to converge.
I had a lot of fun with doing this 20 years ago. Sadly, my visual acuity has become significantly different between my eyes (even w/ correction) and the enjoyment of 3D displays has really diminished as as result.
Just musing because I'm working and busy:
I wonder how difficult it would be to do video. (Obviously you'd have to shoot two videos in parallel versus just moving the camera and shooting again.)
Converting existing 3D videos to a cross-eyed viewing format would probably be the easiest way to experiment with it. I wonder if anybody has done that. I've never looked at 3D movie formats before. I always assumed it was two interleaved streams.
alnwlsn
I remember seeing video done this way on youtube during the 3D tv craze about 10 years ago (not the 3d stuff that youtube supported, this was just people messing about with 2 images side by side). It worked about as well as the examples here, but was not a particularly comfortable experience for anything longer than a few minutes.
alnwlsn
For that matter, there are a couple of "Magic Eye" videos out there, which look like TV static until you cross your eyes enough.
mncharity
> I wonder how difficult it would be to do video
One approach is time-shifted side-window video. Time-offset frame pairs from mono video that's pointed perpendicular to camera motion. Pretending that frames offset in space, time, and orientation, are offset only in horizontal-space-perpendicular-to-shot. Sufficiently perpendicular that difference in apparent size within pairs doesn't bite, and similarly for motion stability, orientation, distance from subjects, and non-horizontal motion. Phone video out the side window of a train/plane/bus/car with a view, or a drone footage segment that meets constraints. River seen from bridge-crossing train window; waiting rocket seen from circling drone. Upside is easy capture, and an inter-ocular distance that's potentially quite large (miles) and adjustable in post processing. Downsides include non-static things don't fuse (traffic by that river, fog off the rocket), and it can be a pain to find usable segments in existing video.
mncharity
With AI generating depth maps from mono images, and filling in image gaps, it may someday be possible to generate stereo from some mono video. One challenge is visual artifacts involving depth can be very noticeable.
wkat4242
You should move it by the distance of your pupils for the best effect. Mine is bog standard 63mm so I'm lucky.
If you get it wrong things will look too big or too small and the 3D effect will be softer or too pronounced.
llm_trw
The point is that you can force the respective of a giant or an ant if you so choose.
Using two cameras I had a time lapse of a fog coming in where you could see the 3d structure becuase they were at two different streets looking out.
Like op this was done nearly 20 years ago. Now you don't even get fog any more.
Jarmsy
I remember reading about a physical device someone constructed with mirrors (I think at an early burning man) that gave you the experience of a huge inter ocular distance to get a giant's eye view. I've always wanted to try one (or the opposite to experience a tiny inter ocular distance).
regularfry
The reason you need to change the inter-frame distance is because the amount of information carried by the parallax drops off quite quickly, to the extent that at the sort of distance in the tree photo, your brain is mostly using motion cues for 3d reconstruction, not stereo vision. Increasing the horizontal distance simulates bringing everything correspondingly closer.
JKCalhoun
To simplify capture, I've picked up a couple of digital stereo cameras (Fujifilm FinePix REAL 3D is a good one). The image quality is so-so and they're fairly affordable still on eBay (maybe $200 or so).
Last summer on a road trip to Alaska, it was almost my exclusive camera for the trip. When I got back I wrote an app to take the MPO files it contains and turn them into a printable parallel-view image. The side-by-side images are intended to be printed and used in an old-fashioned stereoscope.
groggo
3d cameras though won't let you experiment with the distance between images. It'll give you a consistent look, similar to what our eyes see, but what's cool about using one camera and moving it is you can exaggerate the distance to show depth much farther away.
zehaeva
Ugh, there's some people out there who cannot see these. Not for a lack of trying, I've personally been trying since the 90s.
AndrewStephens
I have always had trouble with magic-eye pictures - I am told my eyes are quite different shapes. I can see stereograms with some effort.
I believe that there is a small percentage of the population for whom stereoscopic images (including 3d films) just don't work at all. Either they lack the ability to perceive depth directly or their brains aren't fooled by images with no parallax relative to their eye movements. I don't have any cites for this though.
tantalor
There are two communities, you need to find out which one you belong to.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrossView
https://www.reddit.com/r/ParallelView
There is a test image you can try:
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fg...
Whichever "view" looks to be closer is the one you should use.
alistairSH
I don't get it... the reddit image is the same on both sides. Trying to look at it cross-eyed just gives me a headache.
"Foreground text describes viewing type" - there is no foreground, it's just text on a page?
dividuum
It’s not the same. They are slightly different and depending on whether you cross-eye or parallel view them, both texts will slightly move away or towards you in 3D.
StevenNunez
I don't think I understand what the image is supposed to do. I can only see from one eye at a time.
smusamashah
Have you tried using pipes/kitchen towel rolls?
As in, try doing something like this:
1. Zoom the images small enough to be almost parallel to your eyes.
2. Make a binocular out of used kitchen rolls.
3. Each side should look at exactly one of the images
It should just work. Both images should converge like they do in a binocular.
(you can then try removing this DIY binocular suddenly and see if you can maintain focus)
nightpool
Presumably that would only work for the wall-eyed (diverging) images given at the bottom of the screen, the cross-eyed (converging) images given throughout most of the article wouldn't work with this technique.
wkat4242
It took me a while too. Especially those double images that look totally contorted and only come out when you relax your focus. It took ages but suddenly they popped and now i can do them every time. Once they came through they were crystal clear.
stewarts
I am with you. I could also never see the hidden image things. Been trying for 40 years.
DamnInteresting
I made a stereogram a few years back that turned out to be unusually easy for people to view. Perhaps you'll have luck with it:
https://www.damninteresting.com/temp/damn-interesting-stereo...
The trick is to focus normally on the image, then move your focus to be a few inches behind your screen, as if you're looking through it at something behind.
kookster310
The trick for me was to completely cross my eyes and produce the double images, then slowly uncross/cross them until I could start to see the image, which eventually clears up.
dist-epoch
Do you manage to align the two small white squares above each picture so they are on top of each other?
moultano
Yes.
I prefer wigglegrams. If you're looking for an example - Wikipedia page has one from 1927[1]!
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiggle_stereoscopy