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Right to Repair laws have now been proposed in all U.S. states

ok123456

Car manufacturers trying to lock down their systems turned the tide on this issue.

Tell someone their $500 gadget is disposable; most people will be mildly frustrated. Tell someone that their $70,000 vehicle, on which they still have years of payments to make, is disposable or unrepairable by their usual mechanic; most people will feel more than just frustrated.

freedomben

I want to think you're right, but most of the activation I've seen on RtR is from people who are mechanics and others whose livelihoods are threatened by this (like farmers). Most consumers (at least in my small sample of anecdata) don't seem to care at all for whatever reason. The ones who do are a small enough group to be safely ignored.

sudoshred

On the surface that makes sense. From a consumer perspective lack of RtR just indicates the consumer needs to spend elsewhere if it becomes a concern.

octorian

This is an easy dodge. The problem is that when lack of repairability becomes the norm, the consumer no longer has that choice. Or they have to severely compromise their market choices in the search for repairable products.

And wanting repairable products is something most consumers don't even think about at time of purchase. Its something that comes further down the line, when the purchase decision has already been made.

api

Also farmers, who have been turned upside down and shaken by John Deere and other manufacturers using locked down hardware. The farming lobby is powerful.

lolinder

Yeah, my sense in following this is that farmers have had a far bigger impact than consumers. I see your $70,000 car and raise you a $500,000 tractor that's core to a farmer's livelihood.

p0w3n3d

there are ways to omit the right to repair. My mechanic told me story about the new emergency system (mandatory in EU) that calls automatically for help on the crash event. It has a battery and a small controller in a all-in-one module. If the battery goes down - it will stop working and require replacing. If you replace only the battery it won't work. Not sure if you can replace battery while maintaining voltage, but this might be impedimented using plastic cover or something like that.

The new module costs 500$

bluGill

From what I can tell the only mechanics who care are trying to illegally bypass emmissions controls, or they are trying to run a chop shop steeling cars for parts. Cars are very repairable outside a dealer for most things.

though I'm told tesla is an exception and they are unrepairable - I don't drive one so I wouldn't know.

the above is my personal opinion. My employeer has an opinion on this subject, but I don't speak for them.

protonbob

This is incorrect. Often times manufacturers will lock down the systems that can report statistics and reset failures to only work with their proprietary tools. They will not sell these tools and force people to go to the dealer. After a while the dealer can close or not sell that tool anymore and now people have an expensive paperweight that caused tons of emissions to create.

bluGill

This is often accused but it is already a violation of federal laws that have been around for ages. It is called obd and covers a lot more than emissions.

right to repair may cover more but it isn't nearly as useful for normal diagnostics.

poly_morphis

Take Volkswagen vehicles (VW/Audi, mainly). Nearly every electronic module in the car that you'd want to replace has component protection, making it literally impossible for a non-dealer to replace it since you need access to VAG servers to get the token to code the module for the car VIN. I had this experience recently with a CAN bus controller module that just randomly failed. $3k at the dealer. I would have preferred to do it myself but there is no way.

bzzzt

VW didn't key components for a long time, but a VW Golf was uninsurable in certain cities in the Netherlands because airbags and navigation units were stolen multiple times per year in some instances. Sometimes the thieves waited just a few weeks until most cars in a neighborhood had replaced the stolen components and made another run...

hn_acc1

I couldn't believe it when my wife's '16 GTI (base) needed a new battery, and I realized for non-base models, the BATTERY is coded and needs dealer programming to be replaced.

Our '08 Caravan had the ABS module die, and try as I might with 3 or 4 independent mechanics, had to go back to Dodge/FCA to get it reprogrammed for the car to accept the new module.

gs17

If anyone from The Repair Association is reading, there are a bunch of issues with the website. It sends me to https://tennessee.repair.org/ , which has a broken iframe for the "Make your voice heard" section. Fortunately the "Tell your repair story" section seems to also handle contacting representatives, except it auto-fills to what seems to be the wrong bill. It tells them I want them to support SB0077, which "As introduced, extends the medical cannabis commission to June 30, 2029" (I don't know enough about it to know if I actually do support this or not), instead of SB0499, which "As introduced, enacts the "Agricultural Right to Repair Act." The header of the page has correct bills for last year.

kwiens

Thanks for the feedback! Fellow Tennessean here so I'm a bit embarrassed. I fixed the Make your voice heard embed (we removed a CallPower integration).

I'm working on fixing the letter now.

We built this tech when having five or six states with bills was exciting. Now, 50 states times two chambers times sometimes two or three bills has become a whole thing to keep track of it all.

Keeping all of these bills up to date across 50 states that change every year is quite the project. It's a pretty manual process right now, alas. I'd love to automate it.

Everyone else: please thread any bill year mismatch / other issues you find here, and I'll fix them!

gs17

I think there's still a mismatch for TN, it looks like SB0499/HB0432 is the version of the bill for the current legislative session (the pre-filled subject line already mentions "H432"). https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillN... https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillN...

I don't know how your site's infrastructure works, but would it be possible to have some way we could submit something like a pull request to contribute easier? It would be no trouble for me if it made it easier for you.

layer8

Note that “introduced” refers to bills being filed. Only five states have actually passed RtR laws yet.

esafak

Proposed would have been more accurate, for the average person.

dang

Wow, good catch. I've s/introduced/proposed/ the title above. Thanks to both of you!

whartung

And those that have passed, are not necessarily universal. For example, Californias (I think) only applies to electronics, not cars. The John Deere "thing" is still a "thing" in California. The CA law is mostly about iPhones.

I don't know if they have other bills and what not in play to address other industries.

wanderingmind

I don't like being pedantic, but there is a fundamental difference between bill and law. It takes a few people in legislature to introduce a bill but takes majority to create a law with the executive ascent.

The bills have been introduced in 50 states, only 5 have legislated these bills into laws.

smashah

Right to Repair should extend to software also. Just the same way someone can make an accessory for a tractor without permission from the tractor company, developers should be able to make tools for software/accounts without the express permission of the megacorp behind it without needing to worry about legal threats.

fluidcruft

I really have trouble understanding that map. What does "Active and Passed" mean? I assumed it meant they had passed laws and updates in the works, but those States are excluded from the praise over the "Passed" States. I presume "Historical" means "Failed to pass" and no current activity to get a law passed.

hn_throwaway_99

You are correct, something is not in sync with that map and their description. That is, their description says that five states have passed legislation: New York, California, Minnesota, Oregon, and Colorado. But in the "Passed" and "Active and Passed" categories on the map, it includes those 5 states plus Massachusetts.

FWIW, all of the searching I could find about Right to Repair laws in Massachusetts focused solely on vehicle right to repair (e.g. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Massachusetts_Question_1), not on electronic devices generally, so maybe that's why Massachusetts was not included in the description (which specifically said "passed electronics right to repair legislation") but was categorized on the map.

MZP1992

Hi all! I volunteer with repair.org to create the map on repair.org/legislation and saw this thread. I'm sorry for the confusion!

I have updated the map to remove MA from the "Passed" or "Active and Passed" category given the law that has passed is related to automotive and our focus is more on digital electronics equipment.

I also updated the legend to address some of the valid concerns mentioned here:

Dark Red = Active in 2025 (or current year); Light Red = Active before 2025; Red and Black = Law Passed & Currently Active; Black = Law Passed

buttercraft

> Dark Red = Active in 2025 (or current year); Light Red = Active before 2025; Red and Black = Law Passed & Currently Active; Black = Law Passed

I still don't understand these categories. What is the difference between "Active" and "Law Passed & Currently Active?"

seanw444

Maybe they're excluded because they've already been praised, and they're focused on the new states joining in? I assume "active and passed" means that they not only passed the laws, but they are currently in effect. A law being passed doesn't necessarily put it into immediate effect.

fluidcruft

I did consider that interpretation, but by "praise" I simply mean that the article says "Five states (New York, California, Minnesota, Oregon, and Colorado) have passed electronics Right to Repair legislation" and that "the remaining states are working hard to restore repair competition" which is also overblown since so many of the States are merely "Historical" with nothing going on.

antasvara

Based on what I know about one of the states in question, I'm thinking that "Active and Passed" means they have both a passed bill and an active bill that isn't passed. Though I'd think they'd call that "Passed and Current" to match their other nomenclature.

cadamsdotcom

Pretty clearly this is a good idea, but even the best ideas need champions to get up.

Thanks iFixit for championing this cause for so long. The rest of the world will follow these states’ lead.

oblio

For comparison:

https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/consumer-protecti...

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20240419IP...

https://repair.eu/

It's not perfect (see the last link for details), but it's a great start. Also, if you have the time, read the actual directive. It's fairly readable as far as laws go.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A... - see Article 5.

Also the FAQ:

https://commission.europa.eu/document/download/2d443b31-dc2a...

Also there's an entire directive for batteries:

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1542/oj

Article 11 is the one that's probably most interesting to people here, the reason why we are now starting to see easily removable batteries in mobile devices, again. Actually "easier to remove", they're definitely not as easy to remove as the Nokia 5110 batteries :-p

dataflow

Don't get your hopes up just because they have something they call right-to-repair legislation. It doesn't imply a practical ability to get repairs done. That requires e.g. parts availability, schematics, etc., way behind what legislation I've heard of requires.

42772827

I wonder if we’ll see “compliance devices” like we saw compliance cars in California. That is, highly modular, repairable devices available to consumers inclined that way, “offsetting” some of the other devices companies like Apple make

BrenBarn

The issue is not just the passage of laws, it is enforcement. Unless the penalties are ruinous, corporations will flout the laws and use legal trickery to skirt them.

swayvil

This is morally obvious. We only have a law about it because somebody's feeling greedy or squeezed.

Law is a maximally complex representation of reality manifested by anxiety.

jjtheblunt

that last sentence is great.