Pollution from Big Tech's data centre boom costs US public health $5.4bn
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·February 24, 2025boxedemp
01HNNWZ0MV43FF
Everyone needs a pollution tax, hardly anyone wants one
willvarfar
A lot of modern electricity generation is to power data centres and bitcoin mining.
Quick googling found a stat that 1.6% of the whole world's electricity supply going on computing and also https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charted-big-tech-uses-more-... etc.
And we need more! On day 2 of his presidency Trump pledged to fast-track new power generation to drive data centres in the US. https://www.axios.com/2025/01/23/trump-ai-power-plants-data-...
Drill baby drill! Using electricity on compute is driving future dirty power generation.
ipython
I’m confused by the article mentioning West Virginia as a prime location for data centers along side Ohio - I am not aware of a large concentration of data centers in WV? (Unlike VA, of course)
https://westvirginiawatch.com/2025/01/16/west-virginia-isnt-...
markhahn
Ugh, this is horrible writing.
For instance, "Data centres cause pollution through high eletricity use" - high relative to what, residential housing? Aluminum smelting?
It's fine to be skeptical of the AI bubble, but this article (ironic for FT) reads like veiled de-development.
We also don't need any fizzy-drinks - shall we calculate the deaths due to pollution caused by that, let alone the primary effect on health of drink-victims? If you don't like what electricity is being used for, argue for specific regulation to make it more expensive.
otikik
It’s deflection from the real polluters
TheSpiceIsLife
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tbrownaw
> but this article (ironic for FT) reads like veiled de-development.
Hard to tell if they're singling out AI because it's the current hot thing that everyone's talking about (and afraid of being replaced by), or if they're singling out "big tech" because they're rich and cool to hate on.
SilasX
Agreed. It reminds me of the article about how self-driving cars, by being safer, would worsen the organ waitlist.[1]
Like, in what other context would you raise this concern about saving lives?
It's the same kind of dishonesty, picking out one hot-button source of pollution, apportioning out its health impact, and complaining about it alone.
[1] https://slate.com/technology/2016/12/self-driving-cars-will-...
pkaye
As someone who got from an organ transplant, I'd still push for self-driving car and safer cars. My hope is pig organ transplants make it through trials soon. That could push a 7 year wait for kidney transplant down to a year which is a big deal because the long time on dialysis can have a lasting impact.
scarab92
We should be building far more nuclear.
We wildly overengineered on safety regulations making them far more costly and risky to build than they actually need to be.
Even our older Gen II nuclear reactors from the 1990's are orders of magnitude safer than current fossil fuel power stations, in terms of both released radiation and lost human lifespan years.
Moreover, the higher electricity prices that resulted from using non-nuclear power lead to ICE vehicles remaining more prevalent than they should be, and non-heat-pump heating remaining more prevalent than it should be, leading to millions more years of human lifespan lost.
From a health perspective, blocking nuclear with overregulation was one of societies biggest health policy failures.
notTooFarGone
How about we build this stuff in deserts where you can just plaster everything with solar in like 10% of time and 30% of money investment.
You now have 70% of budget to build battery/wind and still got enough time.
This is solved with current renewable prices without ideological preferences.
js8
Nuclear is not economically viable compared to renewables (wind & solar), and it's rightfully on its way out.
What is really needed is for humanity to say "enough" and stop using fossil fuels. Would it be a problem if training AI models (or running any other analytics) be lot more expensive in winter than summer? I doubt it. There is no reason not to use more renewables for this use case, then.
scarab92
Nuclear has a far lower LCOE than renewables, when you mass produce them rather than do ad-hoc bespoke builds.
For example, the Gen II+ plants built in the 90's had an (inflation adjusted) price of about $500 million per GW. Whereas, the cost of the Vogtl plant was $15 billion per GW.
Renewables proponents point to the cost of Vogtl (or similar) when they say that Nuclear has a higher cost than renewables, which is dishonest. The incremental cost of new reactors is far lower when you built many of them. The recent projects are mostly learning curve costs because of how long it's been.
The other part of this is that expensive silicon is not going to sit idle. You don't want to stop during the 2/3rds of the day when the sun isn't shining, and you don't want to run them at reduced power during winter. Treating solar as baseload requires downrating it's capacity to winter time capacity, and adding batteries to increase it's baseload capacity, which blows renewables LCOE out of the water.
jltsiren
When a major nuclear disaster happens, it can cause hundreds of billions of damage. To make it worse from a liability perspective, that damage can be attributed to a specific power plant.
We know from natural disasters that insurance is usually insufficient to cover the true damage. Either governments have to step in, or the victims have to bear the costs. If the government has to pay for damages but someone else pays for safety features, there are clear incentives for overregulation.
The company operating the reactor obviously cannot pay. As long as shareholders are shielded from liability, it's easy enough to structure the company to ensure that it has no major assets beyond the power plant.
scarab92
It's overall beneficial for society to switch to nuclear.
The problem you posed is just a market structure implementation detail. Government could operate the plants, or they could offer insurance to private sector operators.
vasco
I'm pro-nuclear but the idea that insurance fixes everything is strange to me. How much insurance money fixes you getting killed, would you say?
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burnished
What do you mean over engineered? Genuinely very curious, I thought the problem boiled down essentially to 'lack of will' and that there exist very safe reactor designs.
tbrownaw
That's certainly a funny phrase, since it ought to mean that too much engineering effort was put in to getting something right but what it's actually used to mean is that someone got the trade-offs wrong.
In this case it's being used to mean that the regulations are overly restrictive or complicated, and impose higher costs than are reasonable for the benefits they provide. (Or potentially that being overcomplicated actually makes them less effective than if they were done properly.)
croes
Who decides they are over engineered on safety?
Didn’t we already learn better safe than sorry?
Hammershaft
Even if you account for chernobyl and fukushima the death count from nuclear is orders of magnitudes less than the death count from coal, oil, solar, etc. We overregulated nuclear because the risk of nuclear disasters feels scarier than the real risk of deaths downstream of airborne particulates. There are tradeoffs to every safety regulation on nuclear and those tradeoffs include more climate induced disasters, a sicker population, long term higher energy costs, etc.
kristiandupont
>nuclear disasters feels scarier
I am in favor of more nuclear power and I know very little about the field, but this argument never resonated with me.
If the Chernobyl series paints a reasonably realistic image of what could have happened had they not contained the melt down, we are talking "better part of a continent being uninhabitable for thousands of years". When that is the potential risk, comparing death counts from non-catastrophic scenarios isn't what we should be looking at.
margalabargala
Tell us more about the death count from solar. Is it all people falling off roofs?
adgjlsfhk1
Specifically, the current regulatory framework requires not just minimization of accident, but also minimization of radiation (to levels well below that of other powerplant types like coal). There probably could be a pretty notable cost savings in nuclear plant construction if they were allowed to regularly leak as much radiation into the environment to that which we already consider acceptable from other power sources.
markhahn
"better safe than sorry" is the definition of a slippery slope.
but I'm curious: what event do you think taught us that?
IMO, there's far mode damage being done to the world by, say, mercury in batteries than by nuclear accidents (of which chernobyl is the only serious one).
tmpz22
$PROBLEM_2 being worse than $PROBLEM_1 does not mean $PROBLEM_1 is over regulated.
Nuclear Waste handling and disposal is a significant regulatory issue and includes many REACTIVE measures that have been hard-learned over the past century at sites like Pennsylvania, Fukushima, and Chernobyl.
This blind lashing out at any and all forms of regulation is ignorant. Each of these situations needs to be considered thoughtfully and contextually to find a balance between short term and long term objectives.
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oefrha
There’s nothing specific to data centers here, just electricity use. The electricity use generates a shit load of GDP and soft power for the U.S., way more than $5.4B over 5 years.
So what do these degrowth people want exactly? Cant have resource extraction. Can’t have manufacturing, pollution. Can’t have tech, pollution. Just twiddling thumbs and money will come? Or keep all the benefits while offloading all the downsides to Mexico? And a few years later they will complain about dependence on foreign countries.
TheSpiceIsLife
What about obesity?
99_00
And now you know why big tech was so quick to kiss Trumps ring, and dump DEI. Their alliance with the left was no longer useful to them.
Elon Musk once again showed his forethought and boldness in seizing first mover advantage and going all in on this.
It’s about money and power (power to make more money) for big tech. Such was the case when they aligned with the left and it is when they court the right. Don’t take it personally and don’t shoot the messenger.
Arainach
What does this have to do with the article?
99_00
Big tech is building data centres. Data centres pollute. Environmentalists are part of the left wing coalition.
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Sounds to me like the real criticism is dirty electricity generation.