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Alice Hamilton waged a one-woman campaign to get the lead out of everything

gregwebs

Today there is a one woman campaign against lead in consumer products by Tamara Rubin. [1] Unfortunately she doesn't know how to make a professional looking website and doesn't have a degree as a doctor (which would be of no value in her endeavor- operating an XRF tester and posting the results). She is however trained and certified in performing XRF tests and has probably done more XRF testing of consumer products than any other human being. Her testing has been verified independently when the CPI initiated recalls of for example baby bottles after her initial reporting.

I found her information after one of my children tested high for lead levels even though there are no lead paint issues in our neighborhood.

The highest risk for severe lead contamination is still things from our past. Painting can still be dangerous- some houses still have original lead paint that has been painted on top of or they could have a deck that was painted with marine paint (which is still allowed to have lead). Another higher risk level is antique dishware.

In modern products lead and other heavy metal contamination issues are still somewhat widespread, but thankful at much lower levels than in the past- to the point that most people won't test high for heavy metals. But unfortunately it's possible to accidentally buy the wrong products and get unsafe exposure levels.

We only really have safety standards for products marketed to kids (e.g. baby bottles). If the same level of contamination exists on a small plate that is used by a child, it won't be recalled. For consumers it is often impossible to know if there is heavy metal contamination in a product. California's Prop 65 warning often indicates an issue with lead, but the issue could just be that the company didn't want to bother testing for lead in their product.

I think it is worthwhile to try to transition cookware and drinkware towards materials that are known to almost always be lead and heavy metal free- Stainless steel, cast iron, and clear glass. Additionally, this becomes another reason to eat whole foods since the manufacturing processes can also cause low levels of contamination.

[1] https://tamararubin.com/

MetaWhirledPeas

Wow! This is a great website. And it looks fine.

And she replies in the comments. Sad quote:

> If you look above in this article there is a list of 49 things we have tested so far (49/245 published articles, and that is going to bump to 55 this week) that have all tested safe by the strictest standards – that’s about 20%.

https://tamararubin.com/2025/01/daves-killer-bread-thin-slic...

jollyllama

Note that that includes prenatal vitamins. None tested so far, including some of the most high-end ones on the market, meet the standard.

pc86

I think the site UX is more a feature than a bug (though probably unintentional, regardless).

If she had some super-slick SPA website that looked like a million bucks, I'd wonder where her funding was coming from. Whether it's true or not, this looks much more like someone who doesn't really know what they're doing just threw the site up to get the message out and cover her costs w/ some affiliate sales. I'm inclined to trust this more than something more "professional."

autoexec

> this looks much more like someone who doesn't really know what they're doing just threw the site up to get the message out

It's a typical wordpress blog. I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't really know what they're doing to end up with a functional blog full of CSS/JS, with a comment section, that's also optimized for performance and SEO

There are some curious design/graphics choices, but we've certainly come a long way from what people who didn't really know what they were doing were accomplishing on geocities (https://geocities.restorativland.org/RainForest/Vines/)

ComputerGuru

> some houses still have original lead paint that has been painted on top of

I was under the impression that various governmental safety bodies said that was safe so long as it remained undisturbed?

gregwebs

It’s unlikely to be a truly safe situation since paint wears down and chips off. It’s most dangerous though whenever there is repainting which involves sanding existing paint.

ender341341

those cases are usually what's called out as when it becomes unsafe.

It's safe as long as it's on the wall but chipping needs to be addressed and for sanding/demo proper PPE/followup cleaning needs to happen. If you maintain the surface you're fine as far as any existing testing shows, usually you want to just remove any loose chips, clean the surface and paint over it so you don't need to deal with more in depth remediation.

If you have particularly destructive kids/pets/people around you may want to do more.

relaxing

And then the owners start renovating and disturb it.

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apt-apt-apt-apt

Lead in Sensodyne toothpaste? How does this even happen?

autoexec

corporate greed and a lack of adequate government regulation.

CalRobert

Any chemists here able to comment on the recent lead test kits around? Eg lumetallix.com and detectlead.com. I have one and like it but don’t know how accurate it is.

Had some leaded Pyrex among other things

scq

It seems to be quite sensitive, down to the nanogram level. This paper has some more details: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/acs.est.3c06058

Some of the authors of that paper founded Lumetallix.

lgats

i've used a similar test but found it has false positives with zinc -- and so many things have zinc

lazide

A lot of Zinc plating (almost all galvanizing) has lead in it. It’s a common component of lead/zinc alloys (many Zamac alloys).

Lead in general is also a common component of ‘impure’ zinc (from the mine/foundry).

So chances are, your tests are correct.

bluGill

Zamac alloys do not contain lead, except as a tiny amount of impurity (because we don't know how to completely remove it). Zamac is often confused for the more general "pot metal", which is a anything goes if it melts in a pot (that is on your kitchen stove!), lead often is in these, but the goal of people who use pot metal is cheap and don't worry about quality, such alloys make be as much as 50% lead because nobody cares (there is an upper limit, but defined more by it will no longer make it past the warranty).

Please keep your terms correct. Zamac is a very useful thing to look for in hobby metal casting because you can buy ingots for fairly cheap that will melt in your kitchen (I would still do it outside) and have useful known properties thus ensuring good results. Pot metal is a low quality product that you could also work with in your kitchen, but you have no idea what the results will be.

tdb7893

I'm also not a chemist but I've heard that at least some lead test kits are meant only for paint. I recently was looking for lead free solder and I ran into a lot of reviews about how the solder triggered a lead test but apparently the strips people were using also reacted with copper (which was supposed to be in the solder)

logifail

> I recently was looking for lead free solder [...]

I went looking for leaded solder(!) recently.

Turned out it's got quite hard to buy in the EU, but I was able to purchase it online from a US supplier and have it shipped.

BoxOfRain

I needed leaded solder recently too for a vintage audio project, I'm in the UK and while it was a bit of a faff to track it down initially I was able to order some locally. Might get better shipping buying from the UK next time!

amluto

I’m not a chemist, but:

As I understand it, the biggest source of lead that gets inside people is paint, especially where windows rub against it. And sometimes lead paint has been painted over but can still become airborne when abraded. I would be surprised if these tests can detect it.

Get an XRF test instead — this will quantify the amount of lead at or even under the surface. You can do this by getting a lead testing contractor to come over, and a friendly one will test as many spots as you like in a single visit. Or I suppose you could try to buy the machine, but it isn’t cheap.

(Wirecutter says the main ingredient in these fluorescence tests is methylammonium bromide.)

CalRobert

Unfortunately I couldn't find anyone to show up with an XRF kit - nobody in Europe seems to take lead paint seriously.

aucisson_masque

In France we have obligatory 'diagnostic' of house sold, including many thing like asbestos but also lead paint.

We use a 20 000€ machine with radioactive material to measure the amount of lead, so not everyone can get it but you can definitely ask a technician to do it.

Cost around 300€, depends of the house size and he checks every single part of every single room that can contain lead paint. Very tedious.

I know that the same laboratory we send asbestos for measurement also did lead measurement.

If you got only a few place you are concerned, you could scrape it yourself and sent it to them.

Otherwise it's considered that lead in paint is only dangerous when the paint is old and it fall down, so that kids could eat it or if you're repainting the window and you scrub it without mask.

To my knowledge, the lead pipe are much more dangerous because there is nothing you can do. It's all city property and even if you don't drink city water, you still get poisoning from factory and restaurant using that water to make food.

vladms

Lumping up all "Europe" into one is quite misleading. For example in France when buying/selling a property a detailed lead investigation performed by a professional is obligatory. To the level of what wall has what concentration. Plus all explanation of potential risks, etc.

How carefully you read and understand a report depends on multiple factors, but definitely there are many people in Europe that take lead paint seriously.

logifail

> nobody in Europe seems to take lead paint seriously

Do you live in an older property or do you think there might be a significant amount of lead-containing paint in your living/working environment?

(Not suggesting lead isn't a problem, but I've dealt with a bunch of much, much more toxic substances [full disclosure: PhD Chem])

FWIW, the UK banned lead paint over 30 years ago, lead water pipes 55 years ago, and leaded petrol 25 years ago.

There's a paper suggesting lead pollution may be approaching natural background levels https://cen.acs.org/articles/94/i40/Lead-pollution-approache...

pjc50

Surprising, since the EU near-total ban on lead.

im3w1l

I think this extends beyond lead. Americans love tests, and Europeans are more like the person that is scared of going to the doctor because who knows what they will find.

rrmm

Was lead paint as widespread in Europe as it was in North America?

tonetegeatinst

I'm pretty sure a lot of small to y planes use leaded gas....

Correct me if I'm wrong though cuz iv always wondered how bad the fumes would be to a community thats near a busy airport.

Iv always hear jokes about how lead is the miracle element....its great for so many things and pushing efficiency in many areas....but the human body just can't stand it at all.

flyinghamster

If by "toy" you mean R/C aircraft, that's usually not even gasoline, but a mix of methanol and nitromethane, no lead in sight (and these days you'll find a lot more R/C stuff that's battery-powered instead). But when you move over to the general aviation world, yes, leaded gas is still the rule rather than the exception. While 100 LL has less lead than the older 100/130, it still has far more than even now-phased-out leaded auto gas. There are some aviation diesels that run on jet fuel, but they're few and far between (and sometimes vaporware), and aviation engines certified for auto fuel aren't very common, either.

dweekly

The good news is we in GA are finally getting reasonable 100LL replacements like G100UL and Swift 100R - and not just in the lab, but rolling out at airports. The best time for this to have happened would have been two decades ago: the second best time is this year.

the__alchemist

Methanol? Yikes!

jandrese

He's referring to glow fuel[1]. I would not suggest drinking it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glow_fuel

bluGill

Busy airports tend to imply jets which use lead free fuel. While small airplanes that use lead fuel can land at those large busy airports, they avoid it. Those airports have high landing fees and because of the amount of traffic are harder to navigate. (there are lots of other issues - as a pilot)

Small airports that are not busy compared to the large ones above can still see a fair amount of traffic and that is likely to be lead fueled.

djmips

Indeed, I live near a seaport and there are many a day where the wind blows the fumes in our direction. I do know that the larger seaplanes use lead free fuel but the smaller planes do as I understand it.

louwrentius

Scott Manley has a very detailed video[0] about usage of lead in aviation fuel, for smaller piston aircraft.

From my perspective, it’s absolutely ludicrous that we still allow lead to be used in any kind of fuel at all.

[0]: https://youtu.be/8zfIy17q9sE?si=f9K31eeecOde_YzO

extraduder_ire

Until I saw that video, I had no idea about the level of compatibility required to change over to a new fuel type. Since the lead-free fuel would need to be compatible with the plane you're putting it in (e.g. seals, pipes) as well as other fuels that it could be mixed with.

Retric

It’s disappointing but predictable. Lead use by a subset of small piston aircraft is several orders of magnitude less than when cars used leaded gas. So the general public doesn’t care that much, but aircraft owners care a great deal.

That’s a voting block which often ends up being appeased in a democracy.

potato3732842

Small aircraft owners would happily pay a slight premium to get rid of leaded gas because doing so would eliminate the biggest avenue by which Karens complain about them.

The FAA is the big hurdle. IIRC they recently just approved some fuel as a replacement but I'm not sure if it was a "go start selling it" type of approval or if it's some sort of intermediary approval and there's further ring kissing to be done before people can actually buy it.

hwillis

Uh, no. It's because when plane engines break they fall out of the sky onto things. They break when they aren't correctly modified to take the new fuel. It is not very realistic to mandate conversions for all of the (often quite old) planes today- like from manufacturers going out of business. It is not trivial to convert an engine, fuel system etc. and also meet the same performance so that things like stall and thrust and altitude are still accurate across the important ranges.

In practice, it's a choice between:

1. Banning or buying out older planes at not-insignificant cost 2. Swapping fuels and doing your best to get people to fix their planes, causing crashes 3. Playing it slow, requiring new planes to be compatible with lead-free fuel, building new lead-free infrastructure, and gradually encouraging people to transition

Currently we're doing 3 until it's determined that 1 is cheap enough to do. That said the FAA could certainly be doing more, but that's much more (IMO) on them not taking the issue seriously than on voters being appeased. Its a national agency, not the local school board.

someothherguyy

Go sample the air and find out, be a hero

lazide

There were many, many studies.

Answer: minimal, but measurable, compared to other sources.

So worth getting rid of eventually, but not a major priority.

richwater

Look up GAMI100UL.

Slowly the industry is moving but it requires an STC for both the engine and the airframe. It's an expensive and slow process.

Plus it's only available at like 3 airports right now

camkego

I am not sure why we are taping lead onto pickleball paddles where it can fall off in the gyms where children play on the floors.

cjrp

Especially when alternatives like tungsten tape exist.

brianbreslin

Getting lead out of our environments (housing stock, schools, etc) would do wonders to improving quality of life for so many people globally. Not just for those directly poisoned by it. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis

rrmm

Allison Hayes is another person who campaigned against lead--this time in vitamin supplements--which lead to a change in FDA rules. She was a frequent actor in Roger Corman's B-movies which is where I first encountered her. She suffered disability from the lead in Calcium supplements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_Hayes

whycome

> which lead to a change in FDA rules.

This seems like a relevant typo.

londons_explore

One would probably assume that there are lots of derelict lead mines everywhere since the world decided to stop using lead...

Unfortunately, lead mining today is pretty much stable[1], with only slight decreases in production volumes.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/264871/production-of-lea...

jagged-chisel

Reading the headline I was imagining the euphemistic “get the lead out” and wondered if this would be about handling procrastination. It is not. :-)

jmyeet

In the US, crime basically kept increasing until the 1990s and have been on a downward trend ever since. If you've fallen for the modern crime panic, it's completely manufactured. Look at any graph that goes back 40+ years and then tell me what the trend is.

The reason for this is hotly debated.

One theory is that it coincides with being 18 years or so after abortion was legalized [1]. The argument is that not forcing people to be parents who don't want to be and aren't equipped to be as well as this skewing to lower socioeconomic status. The link between poverty and crime has been well-established going back to Ancient Greece. In some ways, this is an uncomfortable argument because it's basically eugenics. In support of this, abortion access varied state-to-state by up to several years and the trends tend to follow that.

But this is a US-specific argument and I believe the trend was present in other countries.

The second big argument is removing lead from gasoline (in particular, but also water because of lead pipes) [2].

I really wonder what societal problems and public health incidents in the future will come down to micro-plastics.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_e...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis

lordgrenville

My pet theory is the proliferation of digital entertainment options, and gaming / online culture. There are a lot more ways to keep yourself occupied inside, so less reason to go out and get into trouble.

jandrese

Not just digital, this trend started back in the analog TV era. Gaming consoles certainly contributed as well.

Note that the decrease in crime coincides with a decrease in teen pregnancy, but also a decrease in fertility rates in general.

cubefox

Pretty sure I heard this theory held by social scientists as well.

Merrill

1990s was the time that the AIDS epidemic took hold. Lots of needle-sharing addicts died, reducing the number of crimes needed to support their habits. AIDS also affected the prison population, further reducing the number of active criminals.

mcmoor

And there's claim that lead is maybe overrated after all https://www.cremieux.xyz/p/who-gets-exposed-to-lead

cubefox

Thanks for this analysis. It says:

> With all said and done, it is abundantly clear that the effect of lead on IQ is overestimated and studies claiming that there’s no lower-bound for negative effects have not been adequately testing their hypothesis. Instead of effects of lead, what they've really been testing has largely been stratification of lead exposures by various causes of variation in IQ.

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Anotheroneagain

It's because people learned that alcohol damages the fetus.

whycome

> She broke gender barriers in the broader sciences that opened stodgy male-dominated fields to women. And her approach to social justice—combining evidence-based research, interdisciplinary collaboration and community engagement—remains the blueprint for nearly all public health and policy fights today, from the smallest neighborhood disputes to global battles over pollution, natural resources and climate change.

You might say that we all follow her lead. (She led the way)

louthy

You’re plumbing new depths of humour there.

gregw2

Plumbing? I think of it a /refining/ the presentation of the argument. Or /distilling/, if you will...

BenjiWiebe

Lead's symbol is Pb, from plumbum. Which is where the word plumb/plumbing comes from.

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sweeter

If this was today people would say it's your personal right to consume lead and use leaded gas (aka freedom fuel) and we'd never be able to remove it lol

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