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It's unlikely that there will be any further releases of mt32-pi

nullc

The social media-izing of open source has been a massive blow. Projects and contributors across the board are randomly bombarded with mob harassment.

Return to Cathedral.

jakelazaroff

> Return to Cathedral.

What does this mean?

jballanc

It's a reference to Eric S. Raymond's famous article "The Cathedral and the Bazaar", where he compares the rather top-down, leader driven culture of Unix development to the free-for-all style of Linux.

Of course, I always like to point out the foolishness of this metaphor: Bazaars in the Near East were usually run in a fairly regimented fashion by merchant guilds and their elected or appointed leaders.

immibis

A closed-off development team releases what they want, and you take it or leave it, like sqlite.

anthk

'DOS" retro pseudo-hackers [crackers] always have been a cancer like this, sadly. Elitism, tons of gatekeeping that would even blush most *BSD users, code stealing, non-acreditation... basically the opposite of the public FOSS/Nix/Lisp world.

They were like that in the 90's, and tons of them never acknowleckged their mediocrity against, well, serious systems.

Amiga diehard fanboys and microcomputer owners were like that with tons of 'secretive' software, too.

In my country (Spain) tons of people tolk about the 'Golden Age' of the Spanish software, were 90% of it was pure crap against what the French and the Brits where producing even for the ZX, not to mention what the Japanese did with the MSX.

A community built on snobbism and spoiled kids. Then when the international scene (the serious one) compares their IF 'work' against The Hobbit or, worse, isometric games (not the ones made with an infamous engine, the ones with amazing artwork and free roaming), the whole deck of cards collapses.

pino82

It's an intentionally edgy statement, got it...

The major problem: With any idea around decreasing all that social media circus, and coming back to the actual things a bit more, you lose entire generations of human beings nowadays whose only reason to exist, whose only driver, whose only source of energy, is their smartphone with the right social media silo apps installed.

It's at least a decade too late to stop that apocalypse. It will not get better before a big boom suddenly forces them from outside. Our societies are obviously not strong and not resilient enough for more than a few decades of existance before it makes boom.

crtified

mt32-pi has been, and will continue to be, a source of great joy for many retro PC enthusiasts. For those of us with a particular interest in DOS music, it is huge.

Some modern projects generously give enthusiasts access to the power and functionality of (what might otherwise be $1000+ in) rare retro hardware, and in this hobby, mt32-pi ranks high among them.

amstan

I did find the community around those projects (MisterFPGA) to be rather weird, so I understand a little where he's coming from.

ranger_danger

In my experience, their description sounds exactly like the greater emulation and retrogaming scene in general.

gunalx

So sad when people feel pressured and harrased out of the fun in doing open designs. Looked like a really cool project .

bhouston

One thing to watch out for is generalized depression. It can make it seem that all projects are not worth investing in. It may seem to be related to this project but it may be a wider issue for the individual.

heavyset_go

Sometimes responses like the OP's are the natural, healthy and expected reactions to reality.

It's insanely stressful and discouraging to be harassed, threatened, pseudo-stalked and have your work stolen for profit. Often the healthiest thing to do is to walk away from toxic situations and invest your time, attention and pursuits elsewhere.

That said, circumstances like these can certainly cause lasting depression. I just don't perceive the OP's behavior stemming from depression, it seems like a perfectly logical and healthy reaction in response to a shitty situation.

azinman2

“ I have endured a sustained campaign of abuse from members of the VOGONS forum, been labelled a "clout-chaser", had threats sent to my personal email address, code been used in other projects without proper accreditation, my 3D print designs stolen and sold by faceless eBay/Etsy sellers, personal attacks made towards me when people don't get their feature request... the list goes on and on.”

I mean, perhaps they have depression, but this is pretty awful. It’d make me want to quit.

yapyap

did you read the text linked?

bhouston

I did. I am not going to harp on this because it is unfair to the individual who is the topic of this post.

damion6

What stands out is the abuse this person suffered. I know that's real and have seen it.

Sabinus

Do you have any indication of why this person was the target of abuse?

nsxwolf

I really want one of the hats for the Radpberry Pi but it doesn’t look easy to source. I don’t see any boards for sale and I’ve never tried to use PCBWay.

nemomarx

That sounds pretty dark. What's this vogon forum? ironic name

smitelli

It's vogons dot org; it's a pretty wide range of folks with varied interest in obsolete hardware. Some of the louder voices there are absolutely insufferable.

There is genuine knowledge in the forum pages though, and if you're doing stuff for DOS/real-mode x86 there's a good chance you'll find yourself there.

munchler

I did a quick search for references to mt32-pi on that forum and found nothing unpleasant. Maybe I'm missing something.

https://www.vogons.org/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&ke...

pino82

At least they are something that actually exists on their own, and not just a Microsoft cloud entity.

I've seen rough people everywhere on the internet, but that's at least very delighting.

aidenn0

I think it stands for "Very Old Games On New Systems"

maximilianburke

The sad irony of members of a forum named as such harassing someone who is indeed building a very old MIDI synthesizer for new hardware.

outside1234

What is wrong with people? Who is such a loser that they send abusive things like this to a maintainer's email address?

heavyset_go

I'm just an observer, but from the outside, it seems like the emulation scene really, really likes to drive creators to drink or worse.

It takes a considerable amount of time, skill and engineering to create great emulators, and yet people still find reasons to complain or even harass developers of the projects they themselves are using.

It's just bizarre. I've seen some of it as a maintainer of some open source projects, but it's never escalated to harassment or what the OP describes. I really cannot relate to anyone that treats others like that.

OkayPhysicist

My theory (as someone who's worked on a variety of open source projects, in various scenes) is that "moderately technical user" is the most problematic group to offer open source projects too. The heavily technical, software for software devs, side of things generally has you interfacing with people who have some experience with open source development, and the worst you'll run into are people who are aggressively trying to "help". On the opposite extreme, you've got stuff like VLC player, where a large chunk of the userbase aren't technically inclined enough to hunt down your feedback mechanisms.

The "power user" demographic simultaneously lacks the experience with OSS development to sympathize, and possesses the motivation/ability to hunt you down to reach out to you. Even worse if you end up stumbling into the realm of technically inclined children (Minecraft modding can only be done by completely blocking any form of player feedback).

xbar

Thanks for your effort.

altairprime

I know nothing about any of this, but it makes me angry – not sad – that yet another creator of something good and worthwhile, has been burnt by demands and infighting until they walk away in disgust. Good for you, dwinham.

yapyap

wow, sad